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Post by Get off of TMB on Sept 18, 2017 16:23:11 GMT -5
Until the 1980s, workers preferred we didn't bring a hymn book and use one of theirs. I guess the cost of the smaller gospel meeting hymn books became too large for the workers to furnish. I remember a brother worker admonishing us for NOT bringing our hymn books to gospel meeting. Many here remember the smaller books that once ended with "Abide with Me" 122 in the 1951 edition of the book. BYOHB now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 17:10:29 GMT -5
in the PNW since i've been here(1976) we've always brought our own hymn books...
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Post by Gene on Sept 18, 2017 17:36:15 GMT -5
There was a time when workers kept a suitcase of gospel hymnals at the back of the meeting hall for the outsiders, which was the shorter version of HO&N without the "fellowship meeting" hymns that made up the majority of the full edition.
I was told that the friends were encouraged to use the gospel version of the books (provided in the room) so that outsiders wouldn't feel they'd been singled out.
I don't even know if they still make a gospel meeting version.
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Post by snow on Sept 19, 2017 13:31:38 GMT -5
I always had my own hymn book and that was back in the 50's.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Sept 19, 2017 16:09:48 GMT -5
Snow I thought you were in your 20s or 30s. I remember a worker encouraging everyone to not bring a book in order to not embarrass outsiders. Then I remember a brother worker chewing the meeting crowd out for not bringing a hymn book. I guess the price increase dictated the change. Some workers preferred that people bring their bibles along with them to look up passages. Sometimes a worker would say "you don't have to turn to that verse" and the crowd wouldn't! Ah memories!
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 19, 2017 18:45:11 GMT -5
There was a time when workers kept a suitcase of gospel hymnals at the back of the meeting hall for the outsiders, which was the shorter version of HO&N without the "fellowship meeting" hymns that made up the majority of the full edition. I was told that the friends were encouraged to use the gospel version of the books (provided in the room) so that outsiders wouldn't feel they'd been singled out. I don't even know if they still make a gospel meeting version. That makes sense!
Except for the "real reason"
(Real reason) If the "outsiders" (minority)- a very few, if any at all, -saw all the insiders (majority) pulling out their own hymn books, -it would be obvious to the "outsiders" that the "non-denominational" bible study they had been invited to was not quite as "non-denominational" as it seemed to be!
Cynical? me? yep!
Not that I think that it was done by the workers with the realization of why they were doing it. But when people believe in something so much, -it is easy to fool ourselves!
Been there and done that myself!
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Post by Grant on Sept 20, 2017 0:11:36 GMT -5
There was a time when workers kept a suitcase of gospel hymnals at the back of the meeting hall for the outsiders, which was the shorter version of HO&N without the "fellowship meeting" hymns that made up the majority of the full edition. I was told that the friends were encouraged to use the gospel version of the books (provided in the room) so that outsiders wouldn't feel they'd been singled out. I don't even know if they still make a gospel meeting version. That makes sense!
Except for the "real reason"
(Real reason) If the "outsiders" (minority)- a very few, if any at all, -saw all the insiders (majority) pulling out their own hymn books, -it would be obvious to the "outsiders" that the "non-denominational" bible study they had been invited to was not quite as "non-denominational" as it seemed to be!
Cynical? me? yep!
Not that I think that it was done by the workers with the realization of why they were doing it. But when people believe in something so much, -it is easy to fool ourselves!
Been there and done that myself!
We were told something similar. We were told not to bring our hymn books to Gospel meeting so that any 'strangers' would not know we were professing i.e. part of the group but that we were strangers too but they could tell by the dress and hair that we were all part of the same group. Maybe women should have been told to wear their hair short and wear pants to look like real strangers.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 20, 2017 0:20:24 GMT -5
That makes sense!
Except for the "real reason"
(Real reason) If the "outsiders" (minority)- a very few, if any at all, -saw all the insiders (majority) pulling out their own hymn books, -it would be obvious to the "outsiders" that the "non-denominational" bible study they had been invited to was not quite as "non-denominational" as it seemed to be!
Cynical? me? yep!
Not that I think that it was done by the workers with the realization of why they were doing it. But when people believe in something so much, -it is easy to fool ourselves!
Been there and done that myself!
We were told something similar. We were told not to bring our hymn books to Gospel meeting so that any 'strangers' would not know we were professing i.e. part of the group but that we were strangers too but they could tell by the dress and hair that we were all part of the same group. Maybe women should have been told to wear their hair short and wear pants to look like real strangers. True! How dumb did they think outsiders were anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 6:41:24 GMT -5
We were told something similar. We were told not to bring our hymn books to Gospel meeting so that any 'strangers' would not know we were professing i.e. part of the group but that we were strangers too but they could tell by the dress and hair that we were all part of the same group. Maybe women should have been told to wear their hair short and wear pants to look like real strangers. True! How dumb did they think outsiders were anyway?Wow! a rather sick judgmental comment, me think. What parts of the world were you folks living in? I was born and raised in the fellowship in a divided home and never heard or experienced such weird behavior. WORKERS SET OUT TO DELIBERATELY DECIEVED STRANGERS AT GOSPEL MEETINGS? wasn't GOD WATCHING?
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Post by vanillagorilla on Sept 20, 2017 10:58:56 GMT -5
I was given a hymn book and bible by some really nice people. When I broke the engagement to the professing woman who I went to every 2x2 event with for years, I had this bible and hymn book in my car. I didn't know what to do with them. I wasn't going to meeting, and the only time I really saw any 2x2 folks was at the local dance club (yeah they were sneaking out there, but it's all good- their choice).
So when I sold that car, I left these books in it. They called me after to come get the books. I politely said no thank you. Sorry not sorry.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 20, 2017 11:57:08 GMT -5
True! How dumb did they think outsiders were anyway? Wow! a rather sick judgmental comment, me think. What parts of the world were you folks living in? I was born and raised in the fellowship in a divided home and never heard or experienced such weird behavior. WORKERS SET OUT TO DELIBERATELY DECIEVED STRANGERS AT GOSPEL MEETINGS? wasn't GOD WATCHING? Are you saying that we are being judgemental concerning the motive of the workers?
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Post by CherieKropp on Sept 20, 2017 12:56:36 GMT -5
When we were living in Dallas, Texas in the mid-1970s, we didn't get the memo or hear an announcement that Friends were to start bringing their hymnbooks (doubt if there was one).
We showed up at gospel mtg and there were no hymnbooks laying in each folding chair as they usually were. Didnt think much about it UNTIL...
The Worker called out a hymn to start the meeting. Many friends started craning their necks around, looking for the hymnbooks. Here and there a Friend had brot their hymnbook and so several were trying to share it with that person. Singing was pretty poor that night!
We learned the hard way. Next time, we brot our hymnbooks!
So that was when this change occurred in Texas.
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Post by snow on Sept 20, 2017 15:48:03 GMT -5
Snow I thought you were in your 20s or 30s. I remember a worker encouraging everyone to not bring a book in order to not embarrass outsiders. Then I remember a brother worker chewing the meeting crowd out for not bringing a hymn book. I guess the price increase dictated the change. Some workers preferred that people bring their bibles along with them to look up passages. Sometimes a worker would say "you don't have to turn to that verse" and the crowd wouldn't! Ah memories! No I am much older than that. I was born in the 50's. I still have my old hard cover hymn book. But I remember light orange/tan ones, orange ones and brown ones. Any other colors people remember?
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 20, 2017 16:31:49 GMT -5
Snow I thought you were in your 20s or 30s. I remember a worker encouraging everyone to not bring a book in order to not embarrass outsiders. Then I remember a brother worker chewing the meeting crowd out for not bringing a hymn book. I guess the price increase dictated the change. Some workers preferred that people bring their bibles along with them to look up passages. Sometimes a worker would say "you don't have to turn to that verse" and the crowd wouldn't! Ah memories! No I am much older than that. I was born in the 50's. I still have my old hard cover hymn book. But I remember light orange/tan ones, orange ones and brown ones. Any other colors people remember? I have one of my aunt's -very small tan paperback, - with not very many hymns. It must be fairly old. They professed late in the 20's.
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Post by snow on Sept 20, 2017 16:35:39 GMT -5
No I am much older than that. I was born in the 50's. I still have my old hard cover hymn book. But I remember light orange/tan ones, orange ones and brown ones. Any other colors people remember? I have one of my aunt's -very small tan paperback, - with not very many hymns. It must be fairly old. They professed late in the 20's. I don't think I have any from my grandparents. Wonder what they would have looked like. My paternal grandparents professed in 1915.
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