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Post by PrueBert on Sept 12, 2017 20:29:57 GMT -5
The antiquated notion of the inner beauty has long been surpassed by the cultural fetish of the outer appearance.
Makeup led to plastic surgery, silicon implants, anti-wrinkle creams and the like.
But people are living in the past when they wonder why Workers are against makeup.
Makeup might just be about to go the way of the bible if our cultural-Marxists have their way.
"Feminism" is opposed to femininity. I have seen posters of pretty women defaced with spray paint in my country. Not worth putting them up now, I suppose, as I haven't seen such posters since the 1990's.
Guys generally don't wear makeup, and that's a signal that women ought not wear it either.
24% of Australian women now have tattoos.
Some think tattoos are beautiful, like skin heads, boots, ripped jeans and singlets for women. And some think the message of tattoos is beautiful.
The issue I have raised here on numerous occasions is when will Workers accept tattoos?
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Post by fixit on Sept 12, 2017 20:34:41 GMT -5
The issue I have raised here on numerous occasions is when will Workers accept tattoos? I'd rather that workers don't have themselves tattooed.
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Post by Jason Storebo on Sept 12, 2017 20:37:00 GMT -5
I personally can't stand tatts on women. They are not my idea of any thing that is a part of feminine beauty. I would not, however, be pretending that my tastes in feminine beauty preclude acceptence into the higher realms.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 22:24:40 GMT -5
I personally can't stand tatts on women. They are not my idea of any thing that is a part of feminine beauty. I would not, however, be pretending that my tastes in feminine beauty preclude acceptence into the higher realms. what Jason said. I'm not a make-up OR short hair fan either for women. However, my opinion carries zero weight. Just as a lady might say she's not a fan of beards on men (beards initially autocorrected to "breasts", apparently my phone has developed my odd sense of humor as well). It's just personal preference for me.
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 12, 2017 23:10:04 GMT -5
Well I personally see nothing wrong with tattoos, they do not define who a person is. The same as make-up & short hair. If a women wants to wear make-up and have short hair it is her chose !
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Post by PrueBert on Sept 12, 2017 23:15:56 GMT -5
It's not REALLY "her chose" Any psychologist will tell you that. It's only your choice as to WHAT COMMUNITY you chose to conform to.
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 12, 2017 23:18:28 GMT -5
It's not REALLY "her chose" Any psychologist will tell you that. It's only your choice as to WHAT COMMUNITY you chose to conform to. No PrueBert I disagree ! If a women whose child has passed away, wants to tattoo the childs name and date of birth on her arm, that is her chose to make, she doesn't have to get YOUR permission to do it ! Yes things come and go you only have to look at black stocking & hats to see how we are ALL influenced by community/culture.
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Post by PrueBert on Sept 12, 2017 23:31:18 GMT -5
A dead child's name tattooed on a mother's arm reminds me of the "medicinal marijuana" argument, and the woman who wants divorce liberalization because her husband is an axe murderer, or people who want 'refugee status' for every 'boat person' and trot out someone who actually WAS persecuted.
Extreme cases are proffered to make something mainstream.
Anyhow, now that 24% of Australian women sport tattoos they have lost their shock and affront appeal. Wonder what's coming next?
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 12, 2017 23:57:45 GMT -5
A dead child's name tattooed on a mother's arm reminds me of the "medicinal marijuana" argument, and the woman who wants divorce liberalization because her husband is an axe murderer, or people who want 'refugee status' for every 'boat person' and trot out someone who actually WAS persecuted. Extreme cases are proffered to make something mainstream. Anyhow, now that 24% of Australian women sport tattoos they have lost their shock and affront appeal. Wonder what's coming next? PrueBert you really have no idea do you ! If a person wants a tattoo they don't need YOUR permission to get it ! Like I said we are all influenced by culture or community other wise why aren't the women who belong to your church still wearing black stocking and wearing hats? As for the women who wants a divorce because of domestic violence, unless you have been in the situation maybe keep your judgements to yourself ! A better thing would be for you to worry about the amount of children who have been abused by your church, that are only now coming to light !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 0:09:41 GMT -5
That's the thing though innit? A tattoo isn't some counter culture symbol of rebellion any more. The accusation of "rebel" starts to ring hollow: perhaps people are getting body art simply because they like it.
I've seen some really neat tattoos. Just because they're not my bag doesn't mean I can't appreciate good art, on canvas of paper or skin.
It's kind of like sushi. I don't like it, so I won't eat it. But I can appreciate that there are people who do like it, without thinking a thing less of them.
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Post by PrueBert on Sept 13, 2017 0:21:24 GMT -5
So you're for 'medicinal marijuana' Roselyn? Some call this 'gateway' behavior, ie marijuana legalization provides a gateway to harder drugs (now 60,000 dead a year to opiate addiction in the USA)
In Aust the extreme marriage cases were the impetus to liberalize divorce law (1975) The argument was about the one or two percenters. As night followed day some women found themselves in the position of having to justify why they maintained HAPPY marriages by the 1990's. After all, in my country 30% of all children's parents were never married, and half of those who were married are now divorced. And it all went back to those few percenters of "irreconcilable differences"
Like the 'transgender' issue now, these hard luck stories become gateway issues.
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 13, 2017 0:50:24 GMT -5
So you're for 'medicinal marijuana' Roselyn? Some call this 'gateway' behavior, ie marijuana legalization provides a gateway to harder drugs (now 60,000 dead a year to opiate addiction in the USA) In Aust the extreme marriage cases were the impetus to liberalize divorce law (1975) The argument was about the one or two percenters. As night followed day some women found themselves in the position of having to justify why they maintained HAPPY marriages by the 1990's. After all, in my country 30% of all children's parents were never married, and half of those who were married are now divorced. And it all went back to those few percenters of "irreconcilable differences" Like the 'transgender' issue now, these hard luck stories become gateway issues. PrueBert once again you have no idea what you are talking about ! Do some research on the amount of domestic violence there is in Australia. Why should a women have to stay in a relationship/marriage where she is being physically and emotionally abused and beaten ? Your views are typical of the generation of chauvinist males who though it was their right to treat women as their "property". How dare someone divorce because they were beaten by their so called husband, goodness me we have to keep up appearances don't we ! As for the transgender issue, do some research and at the end of the day how does it effect YOU if someone is transgender? If you want to live by a book written by men thousands of years ago that's fine BUT don't try to put your views onto others and think that they should follow your book ! Maybe your time would be better used supporting people who have been sexually abused by your church !
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Post by fixit on Sept 13, 2017 1:19:09 GMT -5
Maybe your time would be better used supporting people who have been sexually abused by your church ! Or figure out what is broken that enables such extreme evil to exist in the church. Frankly I would far rather "accept" tatoos on every member of the church than "accept" child sexual abuse in the church.
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Post by PrueBert on Sept 13, 2017 1:33:41 GMT -5
This says it all. We are no longer influenced by old men and some 2,000 year old books. We are now instead influenced by self-haters, marketeers and cultural Marxists. 2001 - 2015 in America. Leftward shift in moral values. APPROVAL RATES: Gay lesbian 40 to 63% Baby outside marriage 45 to 61% Casual sex 53 to 68% Divorce 59 to 71% Polygamy 7 to 16% Doctor suicide 49 to 56% Suicide 13 to 19% Gambling 63 to 67% Abortion 42 to 45% Married men having affairs 7 to 8% www.gallup.com/poll/183413/americans-continue-shift-left-key-moral-issues.aspxalas, no figures on child porn - that's gone up 40% IN ONE YEAR. The general figure is 200% worldwide for child porn over ten years. I suppose child porn wasn't asked because it's still illegal. You can't stop it - there's over a million adults on-line at any time consuming it. The increase is growing exponentially. From a previous thread: Figures from Canada show that in 2016 child pornography increased by over 40% in 2016. www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sexual-offences-children-increase-statscan-1.4218870If you think Canada is an isolated case then in seconds I found something similar in Japan for 2016 - a 46.5% increase. www.newsweek.com/child-pornography-and-child-abuse-japan-highest-ever-levels-566082WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ALL THESE FIGURES ARE 100% ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 13, 2017 2:00:48 GMT -5
This says it all. We are no longer influenced by old men and some 2,000 year old books. We are now instead influenced by self-haters, marketeers and cultural Marxists. 2001 - 2015 in America. Leftward shift in moral values. APPROVAL RATES: Gay lesbian 40 to 63% Baby outside marriage 45 to 61% Casual sex 53 to 68% Divorce 59 to 71% Polygamy 7 to 16% Doctor suicide 49 to 56% Suicide 13 to 19% Gambling 63 to 67% Abortion 42 to 45% Married men having affairs 7 to 8% www.gallup.com/poll/183413/americans-continue-shift-left-key-moral-issues.aspxalas, no figures on child porn - that's gone up 40% IN ONE YEAR. The general figure is 200% worldwide for child porn over ten years. I suppose child porn wasn't asked because it's still illegal. You can't stop it - there's over a million adults on-line at any time consuming it. The increase is growing exponentially. From a previous thread: Figures from Canada show that in 2016 child pornography increased by over 40% in 2016. www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sexual-offences-children-increase-statscan-1.4218870If you think Canada is an isolated case then in seconds I found something similar in Japan for 2016 - a 46.5% increase. www.newsweek.com/child-pornography-and-child-abuse-japan-highest-ever-levels-566082WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ALL THESE FIGURES ARE 100% ? Of course there were none of these things happening "back in the day" were there PrueBert ! The world is such a terrible place isn't it ? There was never gay relationships, abortions, casual sex, babies outside marriage, polygamy, slaves, murders, rapes etc back in the "bible days"? Maybe you should find out how many people who lived in remote places in Australia actually had children before a priest ever visited to marry them ! You didn't answer my question should women who have been abused just stay in the marriage and put up with it ?
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Post by PrueBert on Sept 13, 2017 2:26:35 GMT -5
Actually, many of these trends have never been seen in any society in history.
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 13, 2017 2:27:25 GMT -5
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Post by PrueBert on Sept 13, 2017 3:04:20 GMT -5
How about a society without marriage or personal fidelity to partners? A society without children? A society which sexualizes its kids? A society consumed with drugs and gambling?
yes, there have been societies which practice polygamy for instance but this is the first time it has appeared as normal practice in Christian societies. And some of the rather gross sexual practices of pagan Rome have never been seen in modern Western societies before.
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Post by PrueBert on Sept 13, 2017 3:10:00 GMT -5
Quote MR42 "Prescription opiod drugs are/were the impetus for illegal opioids addiction; i.e., OxyContin, Vicodin...meth, heroin, cocaine. Legal drugs (alcohol and tobacco) are the gateway drugs, not MMJ or RMJ (medical/recreational marajuana). People start with what is socially acceptable then work there way down. Making those illegal won't work, tried it in the US. Legislating morality and criminalizing those that have sought respite from life thru an alternate state of consciousness doesn't work. The war on drugs has failed. Addictive personalities seeking escape will do so no matter what and keep on going until they can't anymore."
I accept your point. Nixon's "war on drugs" has gone about as well as the war on alcohol. What it means is that we will accept the lowest common denominator of social behavior in the end.
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Post by howitis on Sept 13, 2017 4:02:56 GMT -5
Not sure what some of the posts have to do with the title of this thread, but Ecclesiastes 7:10 comes to mind.
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Post by fixit on Sept 13, 2017 5:20:00 GMT -5
I'm not sure that morality was any better 3000 years ago...
Genesis 38:13 When Tamar was told, “Your father-in-law is on his way to Timnah to shear his sheep,” 14 she took off her widow’s clothes, covered herself with a veil to disguise herself, and then sat down at the entrance to Enaim, which is on the road to Timnah. For she saw that, though Shelah had now grown up, she had not been given to him as his wife.
15 When Judah saw her, he thought she was a prostitute, for she had covered her face. 16 Not realizing that she was his daughter-in-law, he went over to her by the roadside and said, “Come now, let me sleep with you.”
“And what will you give me to sleep with you?” she asked.
17 “I’ll send you a young goat from my flock,” he said.
“Will you give me something as a pledge until you send it?” she asked.
18 He said, “What pledge should I give you?”
“Your seal and its cord, and the staff in your hand,” she answered. So he gave them to her and slept with her, and she became pregnant by him. 19 After she left, she took off her veil and put on her widow’s clothes again.
20 Meanwhile Judah sent the young goat by his friend the Adullamite in order to get his pledge back from the woman, but he did not find her. 21 He asked the men who lived there, “Where is the shrine prostitute who was beside the road at Enaim?”
“There hasn’t been any shrine prostitute here,” they said.
22 So he went back to Judah and said, “I didn’t find her. Besides, the men who lived there said, ‘There hasn’t been any shrine prostitute here.’”
23 Then Judah said, “Let her keep what she has, or we will become a laughingstock. After all, I did send her this young goat, but you didn’t find her.”
24 About three months later Judah was told, “Your daughter-in-law Tamar is guilty of prostitution, and as a result she is now pregnant.”
Judah said, “Bring her out and have her burned to death!”
25 As she was being brought out, she sent a message to her father-in-law. “I am pregnant by the man who owns these,” she said. And she added, “See if you recognize whose seal and cord and staff these are.”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 8:55:20 GMT -5
That being said Bert, I share your concern about the moral status of our globe, and see the sentiment about where you're coming from. I should take one step back from my previous statement in this aspect: it is possible to be against two things at one time, and I get the impression that if you knew about current abuse, you'd take action against it - worker or not. Unfortunately, the two cases of worker abuse I know of now happened to family during my youth. I never got the name of one worker (though I may bark up that tree now that I think about it.) The other has left the work and gotten help from the "worldly doctors" and now lives a productive life.
Not to get all sappy, but though we strongly disagree on some things, I actually really enjoy your posts. They are thought provoking, when I set aside the emotional reflex to be against anything the 2x2s might be doing.
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Post by snow on Sept 13, 2017 13:23:09 GMT -5
It's not REALLY "her chose" Any psychologist will tell you that. It's only your choice as to WHAT COMMUNITY you chose to conform to. You mean like religion?
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Post by snow on Sept 13, 2017 13:31:36 GMT -5
So you're for 'medicinal marijuana' Roselyn? Some call this 'gateway' behavior, ie marijuana legalization provides a gateway to harder drugs (now 60,000 dead a year to opiate addiction in the USA) No pot is not a gateway drug for harder drugs. There are lots of people addicted to oxycontin that have never even thought of smoking pot. They would be better off if they had been prescribed CBD which is from marijuana and helps with pain, inflammation and anxiety. Also it doesn't get anyone high. Young children with seizures are using the CBD and are getting relief from seizures without the side effects that other drugs had for them. I am glad they have decided to legalize medical marijuana because it does help people. Cancer patients use it for pain and appetite stimulus, which is important when you're nauseated a lot of the time from the chemo.
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Post by snow on Sept 13, 2017 13:37:18 GMT -5
How about a society without marriage or personal fidelity to partners? A society without children? A society which sexualizes its kids? A society consumed with drugs and gambling? yes, there have been societies which practice polygamy for instance but this is the first time it has appeared as normal practice in Christian societies. And some of the rather gross sexual practices of pagan Rome have never been seen in modern Western societies before. Do you have any idea of how kids were treated not that long ago? They worked as soon as they could walk almost. I'm sure plenty were sexually abused all the time until they got big enough to fight the adults off. At least now we have laws against child labor and we are trying to address the sexual abuse but churches are making it difficult because they are defending those who prey on kids. Once again I see the world trying to change for the better and religion is hanging back digging in their heels trying to keep us in the dark ages.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 14:15:13 GMT -5
That's the thing though innit? A tattoo isn't some counter culture symbol of rebellion any more. The accusation of "rebel" starts to ring hollow: perhaps people are getting body art simply because they like it. I've seen some really neat tattoos. Just because they're not my bag doesn't mean I can't appreciate good art, on canvas of paper or skin. It's kind of like sushi. I don't like it, so I won't eat it. But I can appreciate that there are people who do like it, without thinking a thing less of them. SMILE! (I like sashimi, and sushi!) My father didn't and was repulsed by those of us who did. My lovely wife Katie is like you, and even brings home a plate of it for me on occasion.
Ahhh, life!
Now, I'm kinda like you with alcoholic beverages, though I will imbibe on rare occasions, and also did so decades ago as a worker when served it by anyone who believed nothing wrong in doing so.
Now my companions, that was a different matter with them, some who thought nothing wrong in tongue lashing someone serving it, if "professing." Guess I belonged to a different denomination...? (Smile!)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 14:39:42 GMT -5
It's not REALLY "her chose" Any psychologist will tell you that. It's only your choice as to WHAT COMMUNITY you chose to conform to. You mean like religion? Exactly like religion, for all I can tell. If we lived in Abu Dhabi, we would have this exact same conversation about the wearing of the turban. In fact, here is a link the that exact conversation. Plenty of scripture. Probably the moral decay of the UAE that has led to the sad state we're in. www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?491003-Wearing-turban-(forgotten-sunnah)
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