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Post by ellie on May 9, 2016 3:15:20 GMT -5
Sounds like you're the man for the job anytoll - a foreigner, (esp.US) coming to Australia to turn our religious customs upside down - go for it I say. I agree. Sitting at the workers table at convention would be like taking a cd player to convention and playing music on it where everyone could hear. It has been ingrained into me so forcefully all my life by example and conscience not to do either of those things that I think it would be impossible for me to physically do them. But anyone else who feels the urge is welcome to try in my book. I have to say one convention I've been to a couple of times has some amazing speakers that are really a waste of money for a convention. I have felt quite tempted to connect my phone and test out the capabilities.
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Post by Brick on May 19, 2016 1:26:41 GMT -5
Brick, are you going to say you're from Australia, too? No, this old brick hails from the land of the free and home of the brave.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 19, 2016 13:56:02 GMT -5
No, this old brick hails from the land of the free and home of the brave. Free from what? how is it home of the brave? And I am still mystified as to what country you live in.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 8:15:43 GMT -5
I must say I truly enjoy having the workers over for a visit but that said I would appreciate if they were more forthcoming in helping around the house. As a mother of little children it can be very taxing and it would be nice if say they offered to make a meal ext.I have told some of them before that they can cook a dish that they enjoy but alas there were no takers.I don't mean they should scrub my floors or clean my toilets,no sire but how about just cleaning the bathroom minus the toilets before they leave. And when they do arts and crafts while I am slugging on then yes I do feel that they could use there time more profitable.Volunteering would be a great way of spending some of their time and by doing so they might be of help to a poor struggling soul.I do feel they should be more actively involved in the community. I doubt if one would have found Jesus just hanging around most of the time not being actively involved in humanity.
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Post by jondough on May 27, 2016 8:42:25 GMT -5
I must say I truly enjoy having the workers over for a visit but that said I would appreciate if they were more forthcoming in helping around the house. As a mother of little children it can be very taxing and it would be nice if say they offered to make a meal ext.I have told some of them before that they can cook a dish that they enjoy but alas there were no takers.I don't mean they should scrub my floors or clean my toilets,no sire but how about just cleaning the bathroom minus the toilets before they leave. And when they do arts and crafts while I am slugging on then yes I do feel that they could use there time more profitable.Volunteering would be a great way of spending some of their time and by doing so they might be of help to a poor struggling soul.I do feel they should be more actively involved in the community. I doubt if one would have found Jesus just hanging around most of the time not being actively involved in humanity. In our area, they spend just about all their time just going from one of the "Friends" house to the next. Not sure if some spend any time looking for "lost souls". The reason giving is they are watching over the flock. Caring for God's sheep. I do think more time should be spent spreading the "Gospel" (good news). Finding those that may be looking. It seems that's what we read most of them were doing, most of the time, in the New Testament.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 8:52:41 GMT -5
I must say I truly enjoy having the workers over for a visit but that said I would appreciate if they were more forthcoming in helping around the house. As a mother of little children it can be very taxing and it would be nice if say they offered to make a meal ext.I have told some of them before that they can cook a dish that they enjoy but alas there were no takers.I don't mean they should scrub my floors or clean my toilets,no sire but how about just cleaning the bathroom minus the toilets before they leave. And when they do arts and crafts while I am slugging on then yes I do feel that they could use there time more profitable.Volunteering would be a great way of spending some of their time and by doing so they might be of help to a poor struggling soul.I do feel they should be more actively involved in the community. I doubt if one would have found Jesus just hanging around most of the time not being actively involved in humanity. In our area, they spend just about all their time just going from one of the "Friends" house to the next. Not sure if some spend any time looking for "lost souls". The reason giving is they are watching over the flock. Caring for God's sheep. I do think more time should be spent spreading the "Gospel" (good news). Finding those that may be looking. It seems that's what we read most of them were doing, most of the time, in the New Testament. Yes, I mentioned to the sister worker in our area that I attend the Bible studies of a local church and I feel that I can be of a help there. She said that they have tried to reach out to other churches but as far as I could understand it was a waste of time since the churches that she went to were not receptive to what she was telling them.I told her that I found the local church that I attend from time to time very receptive,each person gives their input and so we learn from each other. But what you have to say should be according to God's word and not just a fabrication of one's owns thoughts. I don't know how many moons ago she tried to reach out to other churches. As for feeding the flock,I have only had 1 pair of sister workers that actually did some Bible study with me and in fact I have asked the sister worker in our area to do some Bible study with me,she said she would but it has been at least 2 months and nothing has come from it yet .Even when workers come for special meetings rounds it is the minority that even speaks about things pertaining to the Gospel.There was one old male worker that had such a zeal for these things he could not stop talking about it,which was so special to me.
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Post by learning on May 27, 2016 11:31:40 GMT -5
I must say I truly enjoy having the workers over for a visit but that said I would appreciate if they were more forthcoming in helping around the house. As a mother of little children it can be very taxing and it would be nice if say they offered to make a meal ext.I have told some of them before that they can cook a dish that they enjoy but alas there were no takers.I don't mean they should scrub my floors or clean my toilets,no sire but how about just cleaning the bathroom minus the toilets before they leave. And when they do arts and crafts while I am slugging on then yes I do feel that they could use there time more profitable.Volunteering would be a great way of spending some of their time and by doing so they might be of help to a poor struggling soul.I do feel they should be more actively involved in the community. I doubt if one would have found Jesus just hanging around most of the time not being actively involved in humanity. In our area, they spend just about all their time just going from one of the "Friends" house to the next. Not sure if some spend any time looking for "lost souls". The reason giving is they are watching over the flock. Caring for God's sheep. I do think more time should be spent spreading the "Gospel" (good news). Finding those that may be looking. It seems that's what we read most of them were doing, most of the time, in the New Testament. Boksburg, in my area the women workers are very busy around the house doing whatever they can to help. Younger ones more so than older ones. But it's interesting how when the men workers come around you just about have to wait on them hand and foot. They Some barely even carry their own plates from the table to the sink. JD - i see the same thing here in the northeastern USA. The friends are the main mechanism for bringing "outsiders" to hear this gospel. Most vibrant churches in my area have a strong social media presence, not just for the sake of keeping in communication with members but also as a source of basic information for people wondering about the church's beliefs. Wouldn't it be interesting if one of the friends took it upon themselves to create such a social media presence.
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Post by blandie on May 27, 2016 13:22:50 GMT -5
In our area, they spend just about all their time just going from one of the "Friends" house to the next. Not sure if some spend any time looking for "lost souls". The reason giving is they are watching over the flock. Caring for God's sheep. I've yet to hear a good explanation as to why they constantly go to different houses when jesus commanded his apostles not to do that - see Luke 10:7 and 1 Timothy 5:13. Yeah the saints met for meals in various houses but that hadn't to do with where they resided. Its been a long time - probably the 1970's or maybe a bit later - that I recall hearing about gospel tents being used for public outreach in some areas where there were no meetings but even then based on all the buns in the old pictures they were mostly preaching to the choir with the friends traveling wherever to fill seats. I know however that some workers do help out a bit around the house and some don't and some do trash the place and some also expect their every whim to be catered to and if not theres the thot they won't come back - maybe a good thing.
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Post by Grant on May 27, 2016 14:38:54 GMT -5
In our area, they spend just about all their time just going from one of the "Friends" house to the next. Not sure if some spend any time looking for "lost souls". The reason giving is they are watching over the flock. Caring for God's sheep. I do think more time should be spent spreading the "Gospel" (good news). Finding those that may be looking. It seems that's what we read most of them were doing, most of the time, in the New Testament. Yes, I mentioned to the sister worker in our area that I attend the Bible studies of a local church and I feel that I can be of a help there. She said that they have tried to reach out to other churches but as far as I could understand it was a waste of time since the churches that she went to were not receptive to what she was telling them.I told her that I found the local church that I attend from time to time very receptive,each person gives their input and so we learn from each other. But what you have to say should be according to God's word and not just a fabrication of one's owns thoughts. I don't know how many moons ago she tried to reach out to other churches. As for feeding the flock,I have only had 1 pair of sister workers that actually did some Bible study with me and in fact I have asked the sister worker in our area to do some Bible study with me,she said she would but it has been at least 2 months and nothing has come from it yet .Even when workers come for special meetings rounds it is the minority that even speaks about things pertaining to the Gospel.There was one old male worker that had such a zeal for these things he could not stop talking about it,which was so special to me. What did the worker hope to achieve by going to the local church? To convert them or just join in and fellowship with them. Going to the local church is not going to the lost and preaching the Gospel to 'bring them in' unless she saw those at the local church as lost and as needing to be saved.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 14:49:47 GMT -5
I must say I truly enjoy having the workers over for a visit but that said I would appreciate if they were more forthcoming in helping around the house. As a mother of little children it can be very taxing and it would be nice if say they offered to make a meal ext.I have told some of them before that they can cook a dish that they enjoy but alas there were no takers.I don't mean they should scrub my floors or clean my toilets,no sire but how about just cleaning the bathroom minus the toilets before they leave. And when they do arts and crafts while I am slugging on then yes I do feel that they could use there time more profitable.Volunteering would be a great way of spending some of their time and by doing so they might be of help to a poor struggling soul.I do feel they should be more actively involved in the community. I doubt if one would have found Jesus just hanging around most of the time not being actively involved in humanity. In our area, they spend just about all their time just going from one of the "Friends" house to the next. Not sure if some spend any time looking for "lost souls". The reason giving is they are watching over the flock. Caring for God's sheep. I do think more time should be spent spreading the "Gospel" (good news). Finding those that may be looking. It seems that's what we read most of them were doing, most of the time, in the New Testament. In my area growing up as a lad I remember the brother workers like Willy Pollock, Wiil Donaldson, Mr. McNabb, Mr Ricks, and Donald Phillips riding around on bicycles handing out invitations to gospel meetings to folks in the community; in those days the meetings we held in tents lit by gas lamps. Also In those days way back then, the brother workers worked very hard, they assembled the tents and did everything with very little help from the friends. These days tents are seldom used for gospel meetings and the friends are encouraged to invite their friends and neighbours to the meetings. Now, you never see a worker on a bike, they mostly use friends vehicles for transportation, and very seldom tents are used for gospel meetings, they are held in houses or halls etc. A few years back, when I was in the UK I Attended gospel meetings in a public Library building area. All those gospel meetings in the past were well attended. I failed to mention two female workers of that era Miss Flower and Miss Roe, i think that they were from Ireland, who also were very edifying in their gospel meetings. ps, I do not recall any of the above mentioned workers ever pushing the "one and only one true way" button.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 15:03:12 GMT -5
Yes, I mentioned to the sister worker in our area that I attend the Bible studies of a local church and I feel that I can be of a help there. She said that they have tried to reach out to other churches but as far as I could understand it was a waste of time since the churches that she went to were not receptive to what she was telling them.I told her that I found the local church that I attend from time to time very receptive,each person gives their input and so we learn from each other. But what you have to say should be according to God's word and not just a fabrication of one's owns thoughts. I don't know how many moons ago she tried to reach out to other churches. As for feeding the flock,I have only had 1 pair of sister workers that actually did some Bible study with me and in fact I have asked the sister worker in our area to do some Bible study with me,she said she would but it has been at least 2 months and nothing has come from it yet .Even when workers come for special meetings rounds it is the minority that even speaks about things pertaining to the Gospel.There was one old male worker that had such a zeal for these things he could not stop talking about it,which was so special to me. What did the worker hope to achieve by going to the local church? To convert them or just join in and fellowship with them. Going to the local church is not going to the lost and preaching the Gospel to 'bring them in' unless she saw those at the local church as lost and as needing to be saved. I think that it is pretty much the mindset that those outside of our fellowship is in false churches and therefore lost.If they indeed have such a deep concern for the lost souls in other churches then they would try harder reaching out to them,right? I have never heard of them trying to reach out to the Jews in their synagogues as Jesus,Paul and the other apostles did.Or how about those churches that's doctrine is indeed contrary to Jesus teachings. Jesus,Paul and the other disciples and apostles were not afraid to confront those who were lost about there false beliefs.To reach those lost souls one will have to do more of an effort than sending out Gospel meeting invitations.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 15:08:55 GMT -5
What did the worker hope to achieve by going to the local church? To convert them or just join in and fellowship with them. Going to the local church is not going to the lost and preaching the Gospel to 'bring them in' unless she saw those at the local church as lost and as needing to be saved. I think that it is pretty much the mindset that those outside of our fellowship is in false churches and therefore lost.If they indeed have such a deep concern for the lost souls in other churches then they would try harder reaching out to them,right? I have never heard of them trying to reach out to the Jews in their synagogues as Jesus,Paul and the other apostles did.Or how about those churches that's doctrine is indeed contrary to Jesus teachings. Jesus,Paul and the other disciples and apostles were not afraid to confront those who were lost about there false beliefs.To reach those lost souls one will have to do more of an effort than sending out Gospel meeting invitations. there are workers in isreal now.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 15:18:20 GMT -5
I think that it is pretty much the mindset that those outside of our fellowship is in false churches and therefore lost.If they indeed have such a deep concern for the lost souls in other churches then they would try harder reaching out to them,right? I have never heard of them trying to reach out to the Jews in their synagogues as Jesus,Paul and the other apostles did.Or how about those churches that's doctrine is indeed contrary to Jesus teachings. Jesus,Paul and the other disciples and apostles were not afraid to confront those who were lost about there false beliefs.To reach those lost souls one will have to do more of an effort than sending out Gospel meeting invitations. there are workers in isreal now. Ok but how are they trying to reach out to them ? Are they visiting the synagogues ? or are they just going on keeping Gospel meetings in the hope that some lost soul might wander in. That is not what Jesus,Paul,the disciples and apostles did. And the way they are preaching the Gospel in China is against the Chinese law. China as far as I know allows Churches to preach the Gospel if they register with the government and thus the Chinese government would allow them realizing that they do not pose a threat. But you can understand that they don't want individuals coming in their country and they don't know what their intentions are.
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Post by jondough on May 27, 2016 15:26:33 GMT -5
there are workers in isreal now. Ok but how are they trying to reach out to them ? Are they visiting the synagogues ? or are they just going on keeping Gospel meetings in the hope that some lost soul might wander in. That is not what Jesus,Paul,the disciples and apostles did. I do think the Workers that go to Foriegn countries do go out and search for lost souls. That is their purpose. Unlike the ones in the US and other places that just go from Friends house to Friends house. The workers that go out of Foriegn countries truly are missionaries. Except for the fact that they go with lots of support, money, place to live, etc.....they do resemble more what we read of about the Apostles.......and John Long and early Workers.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 15:33:30 GMT -5
Ha the stories! So true and so ridiculous. My husband was demoted from waiting tables after wearing shorts on the job. No way you must be kidding me! Someone actually told me that when he was wearing long pants at convention the people greeted him and so on but the day he wore his shorts the same people did not acknowledge him at all .
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 15:36:43 GMT -5
Ok but how are they trying to reach out to them ? Are they visiting the synagogues ? or are they just going on keeping Gospel meetings in the hope that some lost soul might wander in. That is not what Jesus,Paul,the disciples and apostles did. I do think the Workers that go to Foriegn countries do go out and search for lost souls. That is their purpose. Unlike the ones in the US and other places that just go from Friends house to Friends house. The workers that go out of Foriegn countries truly are missionaries. Except for the fact that they go with lots of support, money, place to live, etc.....they do resemble more what we read of about the Apostles.......and John Long and early Workers. Yes I have to agree,especially those in 3 world countries really put their necks out for the benefit of lost souls!
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Post by blandie on May 27, 2016 15:40:03 GMT -5
there are workers in isreal now. Ok but how are they trying to reach out to them ? Are they visiting the synagogues ? or are they just going on keeping Gospel meetings in the hope that some lost soul might wander in. That is not what Jesus,Paul,the disciples and apostles did. And the way they are preaching the Gospel in China is against the Chinese law. China as far as I know allows Churches to preach the Gospel if they register with the government and thus the Chinese government would allow them realizing that they do not pose a threat. But you can understand that they don't want individuals coming in their country and they don't know what their intentions are. The same situation in israel - non-jews have to get a special visa and be a recognized religious group in order to stay there for the purpose of proselytizing. So are the workers operating legally and if so what name and other information about the organization and their purposes have those workers provided? At least some foreign missions have been directed more at english-speaking folks already there - particular to places with open homes that pave the way and military bases and overseas corporations and similar. Not all tho but its different than in those early years when folks like WillI and cooney went out to places with no groundwork at all and very little support.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 15:41:21 GMT -5
there are workers in isreal now. Ok but how are they trying to reach out to them ? Are they visiting the synagogues ? or are they just going on keeping Gospel meetings in the hope that some lost soul might wander in. That is not what Jesus,Paul,the disciples and apostles did. And the way they are preaching the Gospel in China is against the Chinese law. China as far as I know allows Churches to preach the Gospel if they register with the government and thus the Chinese government would allow them realizing that they do not pose a threat. But you can understand that they don't want individuals coming in their country and they don't know what their intentions are. I ASSume that they are visiting where they may as God leads them but don't know for sure their MO.
When it comes to preaching the gospel I don't observe worldly law because God is not subject to worldly laws worldly laws are in subjection to him.
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Post by blandie on May 27, 2016 15:48:44 GMT -5
God is not subject to worldly laws worldly laws are in subjection to him. God might not be subject to worldly law but the bible commands us to submit to them.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 15:52:51 GMT -5
God is not subject to worldly laws worldly laws are in subjection to him. God might not be subject to worldly law but the bible commands us to submit to them. I say that those verses that talk about obeying gov't or authority were talking about the church not worldly gov'ts...
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Post by blandie on May 27, 2016 15:55:31 GMT -5
I say that those verses that talk about obeying gov't or authority were talking about the church not worldly gov'ts... Read it again - it is talking about kings and governors and every human ordinance - not at all to do with authorities within the church. It was enjoined upon the church to show up as false the charge that the church was doing illegal stuff.
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Post by Grant on May 27, 2016 16:14:30 GMT -5
Guess honesty is not one of the fruits of the spirit nor one of the ten commandments.
Interesting they register as a church when it's in their best interest to do so but don't if they can get away with it. And who knows they might even register as 'friends of Israel'.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 16:20:01 GMT -5
Someone actually told me that when he was wearing long pants at convention the people greeted him and so on but the day he wore his shorts the same people did not acknowledge him at all **** I don't believe in treating people differently based upon their clothing. That said, shorts are fine for younger men but when we get past 30 especially 40...they belong to the beach, backyard, hiking/vacation etc.. We lose our looks as we age even if we don't see that or not. As I am close to 50 (male), I don't wear shorts at reunions, public events, church, funerals, etc..But if other men feel differently, that is their decision.
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Post by jondough on May 27, 2016 16:48:43 GMT -5
Someone actually told me that when he was wearing long pants at convention the people greeted him and so on but the day he wore his shorts the same people did not acknowledge him at all **** I don't believe in treating people differently based upon their clothing. That said, shorts are fine for younger men but when we get past 30 especially 40...they belong to the beach, backyard, hiking/vacation etc.. We lose our looks as we age even if we don't see that or not. As I am close to 50 (male), I don't wear shorts at reunions, public events, church, funerals, etc..But if other men feel differently, that is their decision. Walker, come to the Gym with me....you're still young:)
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 27, 2016 18:57:47 GMT -5
I think that it is pretty much the mindset that those outside of our fellowship is in false churches and therefore lost.If they indeed have such a deep concern for the lost souls in other churches then they would try harder reaching out to them,right? I have never heard of them trying to reach out to the Jews in their synagogues as Jesus,Paul and the other apostles did.Or how about those churches that's doctrine is indeed contrary to Jesus teachings. Jesus,Paul and the other disciples and apostles were not afraid to confront those who were lost about there false beliefs.To reach those lost souls one will have to do more of an effort than sending out Gospel meeting invitations. there are workers in isreal now. There was one there years ago as well. Name of William Irvine.
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Post by sharingtheriches on May 27, 2016 19:03:32 GMT -5
Ok but how are they trying to reach out to them ? Are they visiting the synagogues ? or are they just going on keeping Gospel meetings in the hope that some lost soul might wander in. That is not what Jesus,Paul,the disciples and apostles did. I do think the Workers that go to Foriegn countries do go out and search for lost souls. That is their purpose. Unlike the ones in the US and other places that just go from Friends house to Friends house. The workers that go out of Foriegn countries truly are missionaries. Except for the fact that they go with lots of support, money, place to live, etc.....they do resemble more what we read of about the Apostles.......and John Long and early Workers. Foreign field workers have to get around for they don't have the safety of friends homes to go to and purportedly help the saved.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 27, 2016 19:27:19 GMT -5
Ok but how are they trying to reach out to them ? Are they visiting the synagogues ? or are they just going on keeping Gospel meetings in the hope that some lost soul might wander in. That is not what Jesus,Paul,the disciples and apostles did. And the way they are preaching the Gospel in China is against the Chinese law. China as far as I know allows Churches to preach the Gospel if they register with the government and thus the Chinese government would allow them realizing that they do not pose a threat. But you can understand that they don't want individuals coming in their country and they don't know what their intentions are. I ASSume that they are visiting where they may as God leads them but don't know for sure their MO.
When it comes to preaching the gospel I don't observe worldly law because God is not subject to worldly laws worldly laws are in subjection to him.
That attitude will not go down very well with the judge once they are nicked for what they are doing. It also shows how morally bankrupt the friends have become. First of all it was one wee lie, the one about coming from Jesus, then it was some dodgy names of the organisation to avoid conscription, then it was failing to report CSA and claiming that they were not an organisation, now it is sneaking into countries under the radar, ignoring sovereign nation law and believing they are above it. Do you see a pattern here, what is the next lie to be about?
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Post by propaganda on May 27, 2016 19:47:37 GMT -5
Yes, the friends are suffering!! That's why they are running these forums trying to sort out all 'these issues'!! I think we need some more threads to chew on:)!! There's people starving around the world and terrible things happening right now and you are consumed with this!!
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