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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 3:46:15 GMT -5
Infinity has always existed, finite is that which Is taken or borrowed from the infinite. Likewise eternity has also always existed, measured time has been borrowed from the eternal God is our eternal Father, I believe That He has always existed, so I believe that there is some truth in what you have written.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 29, 2016 4:09:32 GMT -5
Is someone really believes their child doesnt have freewill they have no business raising them and should be sterilized. Well , we all would like to think that we have 'freewill'
Simple Definition of free will
: the ability to choose how to act
: the ability to make choices that are not controlled by fate or God
Full Definition of free will
1 : voluntary choice or decision <I do this of my own free will>
2 : freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention
But do we really have free will? Ah, -that is the question!
If we should find that we really don't, -that would indeed play havoc with the whole concept of Christians!
Might need to get ready to sterilize yourself,Lee.
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Post by rational on Mar 29, 2016 6:51:04 GMT -5
Is someone really believes their child doesnt have freewill they have no business raising them and should be sterilized. Maybe this would be a good time to decide on the definition of free will. freewill - the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion.Do you believe we each consciously control our decisions and actions or, as an increasingly amount of data shows, that we just feel as if we possess free will? Recent neuroscience research shows brain activity regarding decisions happen before you are consciously aware of the decision.
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Post by Hmmmm on Mar 29, 2016 10:41:59 GMT -5
It may be that the idea expressed as "free will" is something like a paradoxical phrase that we attempt to assign a philosophical meaning to?
will = an inevitable happening of an event.
free = to release, etc.
It seems to me that free will might imply that "We" can be released from an inevitable event, by means of an agreed upon procedure that in effect is a voluntary reversal of the inevitable . We are free to pursuit the releasing of the inevitable event.
If I choose to be reckless with something, it is inevitable that eventually this behavior will cause an accident, We choose (free choice) to stop this inevitable event , by expressing a will to stop being"reckless" , and that would change the resulting end of . (sometimes we might find that change to be almost impossible , almost). JMO.
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Post by Yes on Mar 29, 2016 14:01:26 GMT -5
Infinity has always existed, finite is that which Is taken or borrowed from the infinite. Likewise eternity has also always existed, measured time has been borrowed from the eternal God is our eternal Father, I believe That He has always existed, so I believe that there is some truth in what you have written. [ That is what I ,also, believe.
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Post by rational on Mar 29, 2016 15:16:40 GMT -5
God is our eternal Father, I believe That He has always existed, so I believe that there is some truth in what you have written. [ That is what I ,also, believe. :) Perhaps you are using definitions of infinity and eternity that are somewhat non-standard. Can you define the terms as you see them? Also it seems you believe in a creator god that created the universe. But you have also expressed a belief in time that has existed forever. Given that time is part of the universe, when do you see time as being created?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 16:37:58 GMT -5
Speaking for myself and as is written in PSM 139:6 - Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; It is high, I cannot attain unto it, Just in the same way that I believe that my redeemer liveth.
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Post by rational on Mar 29, 2016 16:42:54 GMT -5
Speaking for myself and as is written in PSM 139:6 - Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; It is high, I cannot attain unto it, Just in the same way that I believe that my redeemer liveth. I see. An I55 response.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 17:04:42 GMT -5
Speaking for myself and as is written in PSM 139:6 - Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; It is high, I cannot attain unto it, Just in the same way that I believe that my redeemer liveth. I see. An I55 response. If you choose call it that. Phase 1 core 155 -Eligibility and Benefits Response Time Rule, Version 1.1.0.
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Post by Yes on Mar 29, 2016 17:36:04 GMT -5
I believe that eternal means uncreated time, without beginning, and without ending.
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Post by rational on Mar 29, 2016 18:29:28 GMT -5
If you choose call it that. Phase 1 core 155 -Eligibility and Benefits Response Time Rule, Version 1.1.0. Isaiah 55:8-9 It is the standard response when believers are asked to provide support/definitions for specifics. Psalm 139:6 seems to be a corollary. Eternal stillness is mirrored in a jumble of opportunities
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 18:33:26 GMT -5
If you choose call it that. Phase 1 core 155 -Eligibility and Benefits Response Time Rule, Version 1.1.0. Isaiah 55:8-9 It is the standard response when believers are asked to provide support/definitions for specifics. Eternal stillness is mirrored in a jumble of opportunitiesthat's little different from scientist saying "we don't know" when being pinned down on an issue...
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Post by rational on Mar 29, 2016 18:44:17 GMT -5
I believe that eternal means uncreated time, without beginning, and without ending. :) An interesting concept. Do you believe time is reality? Or do you side with the Greeks and believe time is't reality but rather a measurement or a concept. Please share you definition of time. Your consciousness is the wisdom of irrational sensations
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Post by rational on Mar 29, 2016 18:52:31 GMT -5
Isaiah 55:8-9 It is the standard response when believers are asked to provide support/definitions for specifics. Eternal stillness is mirrored in a jumble of opportunitiesthat's little different from scientist saying "we don't know" when being pinned down on an issue...
Is it? I55 is the response given by theists when asked about things that they claim are known. For example, if god is claimed to be omniscient, omnipotent, and all caring the claim cannot be supported so the response is I55. When those who believe in a literal bible are asked why there is no evidence of prayers being answered the response if often I55. Not knowing the answer is very different from not being able to support a claim that has been made. Nature is a reflection of sub empirical boundaries
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Post by Yes on Mar 30, 2016 1:00:42 GMT -5
[quote source="/post/689258/thread" timestamp= A]Not knowing the answer is very different from not being able to support a claim that has been made. Nature is a reflection of sub empirical boundaries[s Yes, and I like to acknowledge the providential nature of creator. (And defer thusly)
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 30, 2016 1:30:27 GMT -5
that's little different from scientist saying "we don't know" when being pinned down on an issue...
Wally, when a scientist says "we don't know," it is totally different than that which is written in PSM 139:6 ! A scientist may well say, "we don't know", but the scientist will keep on trying to find out!
That is just what scientists do!
That is NOT what was meant by the writer in Psalm 139:6--when he said "Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; It is high, I cannot attain unto it. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 4:27:51 GMT -5
Stick to your opinions wally, as a believer, you have your understanding of scripture as revealed by God, that secret voice that speaks to believers and guides us; let nonbelievers stick to theirs scientific god.They are comfortable with what they have, and so are we; we aught not to envey or resent or antagonize them nor should they do it to us. Live and let live, I say.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 5:08:57 GMT -5
that's little different from scientist saying "we don't know" when being pinned down on an issue...
Wally, when a scientist says "we don't know," it is totally different than that which is written in PSM 139:6 ! A scientist may well say, "we don't know", but the scientist will keep on trying to find out!
That is just what scientists do!
That is NOT what was meant by the writer in Psalm 139:6--when he said "Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; It is high, I cannot attain unto it. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me!
I believe I was addressing Isaiah 55: 8-9 or I55 as rational put it
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Post by rational on Mar 30, 2016 6:40:12 GMT -5
Wally, when a scientist says "we don't know," it is totally different than that which is written in PSM 139:6 ! A scientist may well say, "we don't know", but the scientist will keep on trying to find out!
That is just what scientists do!
That is NOT what was meant by the writer in Psalm 139:6--when he said "Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; It is high, I cannot attain unto it. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me!
I believe I was addressing Isaiah 55: 8-9 or I55 as rational put it And as I was saying, not knowing all of the details of some question yet because it is a work in progress is very different than stating that the reason the question cannot be answered is because it involves a paranormal being and mere mortal humans have the reasoning hidden from them. It raises the question that if god's thoughts cannot be known for the reasons cited in Isaiah 55: 8-9 how can believers be so sure they know what god's thoughts are in other instances? I55 is the way to avoid having to think about and address questions like "Why would a loving, all knowing, and all powerful being allow children to be molested and tortured?"
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Post by Yes on Mar 30, 2016 7:25:03 GMT -5
God is infinite, humans are finite, there is a very large difference in thoughts , we know this even Without quoting Isaiah . is possible to make up an unwise excuse when we are ignorant? We don't need to.
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Post by Commonman on May 19, 2016 7:35:16 GMT -5
I think the zodiac is a map of the visable constellations that we see from this earth. The interesting thing about it, is these constellations seem to affect the behaviors of living beings on this earth.
Is there a reason for this? Is there a story that is told by these constellations?
It seems that many times in the bible, i.e.: Job ,Psalms, Isaiah, etc. there is mention of there being a purpose to understand these heavenly "signs" .
I read that Jesus was born around the middle of Virgo constellation, and the brightest star in Virgo was located at the forehead of the virgins son
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Post by Commonman on May 19, 2016 7:44:07 GMT -5
A possible theory.... First appeared around September 4-12 th ?? This is the star that the wise men saw? They followed it as it moved across the sky until It stopped above where Mary and Joseph lived, It likely took a couple months for the wise men to arrive thus being sometime in December??
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Post by Commonman on May 19, 2016 8:19:30 GMT -5
Virgo , like the other 11 signs , has 3 constellations Near it, one of them is Coma (child) , and together with Virgo , represents the virgin mother and her son
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Post by rational on May 19, 2016 9:03:44 GMT -5
Virgo , like the other 11 signs , has 3 constellations Near it, one of them is Coma (child) , and together with Virgo , represents the virgin mother and her son The constellations near virgo are: Boötes - ox driver Coma Berenices - Berenice’s Hair Corvus - ravin Crater - cup Hydra - water snake Leo - lion Libra - weighing scales Serpens Caput - serpent your story, like many of them, has little to do with known facts. You could have made up a story about the ox driver coming up to the house where the virgin, Berenice, was seen combing her hair. When the raven crowed in alarm she looked out the window and saw Boötes watching her as she finished her daily bathing rituals.
Warning him about the lion, she invited him to come in and offered him a cup of water. Later she had him eliminate the snakes in the yard and used the scales to weigh the gold he owed her. (for the water, of course!)
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Post by Commonman on May 19, 2016 14:41:32 GMT -5
Virgo , like the other 11 signs , has 3 constellations Near it, one of them is Coma (child) , and together with Virgo , represents the virgin mother and her son The constellations near virgo are: Boötes - ox driver Coma Berenices - Berenice’s Hair Corvus - ravin Crater - cup Hydra - water snake Leo - lion Libra - weighing scales Serpens Caput - serpent your story, like many of them, has little to do with known facts. You could have made up a story about the ox driver coming up to the house where the virgin, Berenice, was seen combing her hair. When the raven crowed in alarm she looked out the window and saw Boötes watching her as she finished her daily bathing rituals.
Warning him about the lion, she invited him to come in and offered him a cup of water. Later she had him eliminate the snakes in the yard and used the scales to weigh the gold he owed her. (for the water, of course!)The earliest knowledge of constellations has been Hebrew peoples study. The bible says that God named all the stars, and formed the constellations. Where were you! When God decorated the universe with his constellations?? Eh?
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Post by Commonman on May 19, 2016 14:57:04 GMT -5
There are 12 constellations , and 36 additional Constellations , ((3 per )) involved that are oriented to this earth we live on.
The Hebrew knew the names of them, as they Were in close contact with the creator and name giver
Accordingly , the names had meanings. If you Know the meaning of each constellation, they have the same meaning in every language on the earth!
That seems to show that their names preceded the proliferation of human beings many languages. Or as some would say the "tower of Babel" .
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Post by dmmichgood on May 19, 2016 17:33:43 GMT -5
I think the zodiac is a map of the visable constellations that we see from this earth. The interesting thing about it, is these constellations seem to affect the behaviors of living beings on this earth. Is there a reason for this? Is there a story that is told by these constellations? It seems that many times in the bible, i.e.: Job ,Psalms, Isaiah, etc. there is mention of there being a purpose to understand these heavenly "signs" . I read that Jesus was born around the middle of Virgo constellation, and the brightest star in Virgo was located at the forehead of the virgins son Are you a talking about Astrology when you say that is these constellations "seem to affect the behaviors of living beings on this earth.
Definition of Astrology:
"Astrological beliefs in correspondences between celestial observations and terrestrial events have influenced various aspect of human history, including world-views, language and many elements of social culture."
Indications of such a beliefs are very old. Some marks on cave walls seem to attest to that.
Do you really think that constellations affect the behaviors of living beings on this earth? Babylonian astrology was the first organized system of astrology, arising in the 2nd millennium BC. Perhaps that is where the Israelites got their belief when they were in captivity?
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Post by dmmichgood on May 19, 2016 18:18:23 GMT -5
There are 12 constellations , and 36 additional Constellations , ((3 per )) involved that are oriented to this earth we live on. The Hebrew knew the names of them, as they Were in close contact with the creator and name giver Accordingly , the names had meanings. If you Know the meaning of each constellation, they have the same meaning in every language on the earth! That seems to show that their names preceded the proliferation of human beings many languages. Or as some would say the "tower of Babel" .
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