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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 4:54:57 GMT -5
Lee, -could the reason that you think that you are "being fed a line of bull," is perhaps due to the fact that you know very little about depression or the medications for depression, and/or other therapies for depression?
What is it about that commercial that you see as "a line of bull?" Is it because it is that the medication was developed by "science" and you seem to have this rather severe antipathy against "science?"
Do you realize, don't you, that there is nothing unusual about taking more than one medication for depression? You aware, aren't you, that most all doctors and counselors already know & prescribe medication and counseling together because as such they work best together as therapy for depression? Of all the medical disciplines, psychology is abused the most by physicalism, meaning there is no consensus regarding the relationship between the brain and behavior. It is a tragedy whenever behavior is excused without any regard for a transcent normal. Physicalism might argue there are no guilty people in prison; their behaviors are merely consistent with their brains. And some people say that "the law" is an ass, it looks like "the law" has a brother or sister called "physicalism."
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Post by rational on Mar 26, 2016 6:25:18 GMT -5
And some people say that "the law" is an ass, it looks like "the law" has a brother or sister called "physicalism." "Some people" say a lot of things. I generally do not put much stock in what they say unless they are willing to provide some facts to support their claim(s).
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Post by Lee on Mar 26, 2016 12:24:38 GMT -5
Physicalism would evicerate the concept of freewill. To be polarized upon this question means the reprobation of society.
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Post by rational on Mar 26, 2016 16:25:24 GMT -5
Physicalism would evicerate the concept of freewill. It means the reprobation of a society to be polarized upon this question. Freewill may indeed just be an illusion of which humans have convinced themselves. Here is a bit of the supporting evidence.
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Post by Lee on Mar 26, 2016 17:34:07 GMT -5
Sterilization is appropriate for people who do not believe in freewill. The alternative is to welcome the psychotically abusive/permissive parent.
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Post by rational on Mar 26, 2016 20:48:07 GMT -5
Sterilization is appropriate for people who do not believe in freewill. Did you read the information? What does freewill have to do with sterilization? You will need to explain the logic behind this.
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Post by Lee on Mar 26, 2016 22:19:10 GMT -5
I thought it was vainly academic. Does anyone in their right mind ponder whether we have free will?
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Post by rational on Mar 26, 2016 22:24:26 GMT -5
I thought it was vainly academic. Does anyone in their right mind ponder whether we have free will? It appears they do and they have data to support their claims. Do you have anything at all to refute the findings?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 22:37:03 GMT -5
Physicalism would evicerate the concept of freewill. It means the reprobation of a society to be polarized upon this question. Freewill may indeed just be an illusion of which humans have convinced themselves. Here is a bit of the supporting evidence.i'm not seeing the absence of free will just because it takes the body 7 seconds to respond to the brains commands/decision.
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Post by Lee on Mar 26, 2016 22:40:26 GMT -5
I thought it was vainly academic. Does anyone in their right mind ponder whether we have free will? It appears they do and they have data to support their claims. Do you have anything at all to refute the findings? You should have been sterilized.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 26, 2016 23:01:40 GMT -5
Physicalism would evicerate the concept of freewill. It means the reprobation of a society to be polarized upon this question. Freewill may indeed just be an illusion of which humans have convinced themselves. Here is a bit of the supporting evidence. Thank, Rational. good study.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 26, 2016 23:11:37 GMT -5
Sterilization is appropriate for people who do not believe in freewill. Did you read the information? What does freewill have to do with sterilization? Probably the only relationship about anything for Lee is if someone doesn't agree with him then that person should be sterilized!
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Post by Lee on Mar 26, 2016 23:23:41 GMT -5
Another person who should have been sterilized. Thank God kids are anti-authoritarian by nature.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 26, 2016 23:37:03 GMT -5
i'm not seeing the absence of free will just because it takes the body 7 seconds to respond to the brains commands/decision. Seven seconds is quite awhile if it took you that long after your brain to told you that stove is "hot" and your body should respond by removing your hand from the stove!
Just check a clock to see how long seven seconds is.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 27, 2016 0:03:47 GMT -5
Another person who should have been sterilized. Thank God kids are anti-authoritarian by nature. Oh dear! Can anyone think of a worse scenario than 1000's of little Lees inhabiting the planet!
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Post by Lee on Mar 27, 2016 0:11:27 GMT -5
If no one challenged you at all. No freewill? What is an open mind without freewill? Why are we arguing at all? We worship science today and were f king stupid, thats why.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 27, 2016 0:45:41 GMT -5
If no one challenged you at all. No freewill? What is an open mind without freewill? Why are we arguing at all? We worship science today and were f king stupid, thats why. You said, "You should be sterilized," in answer to Rational's post. You also said, in reponse to my post, "Another person who should have been sterilized."
You meant that we shouldn't have been allowed to reproduce children who might think as we we do, but instead we should have been sterilized.
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Post by rational on Mar 27, 2016 9:21:13 GMT -5
It appears they do and they have data to support their claims. Do you have anything at all to refute the findings? You should have been sterilized. Well, that is one way to attempt to deal with people who think differently than you do and have verifiable facts to support their claims. As far as the sterilization, you are too late. One problem is that those who take steps to limit their offspring are often in the non-believer group and many believers are existing under the premise that sex without the possibility of conception is somehow against the will if god. They are rejecting what god had in mind rather than “…accept what the Creator has intended for them.” Rejecting a "gift from god." From the church's point of view this is a great plan - produce as many offspring as possible because, as the Jesuits said - "Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man". Pre-programmed and ready to follow without question! From the Catechism of the Catholic ChurchCalled to give life, spouses share in the creative power and fatherhood of God. "Married couples should regard it as their proper mission to transmit human life and to educate their children; they should realize that they are thereby cooperating with the love of God the Creator and are, in a certain sense, its interpreters. They will fulfill this duty with a sense of human and Christian responsibility."
A particular aspect of this responsibility concerns the regulation of procreation. For just reasons, spouses may wish to space the births of their children. It is their duty to make certain that their desire is not motivated by selfishness but is in conformity with the generosity appropriate to responsible parenthood. Moreover, they should conform their behavior to the objective criteria of morality: When it is a question of harmonizing married love with the responsible transmission of life, the morality of the behavior does not depend on sincere intention and evaluation of motives alone; but it must be determined by objective criteria, criteria drawn from the nature of the person and his acts, criteria that respect the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love; this is possible only if the virtue of married chastity is practiced with sincerity of heart.
By safeguarding both these essential aspects, the unitive and the procreative, the conjugal act preserves in its fullness the sense of true mutual love and its orientation toward man's exalted vocation to parenthood.
Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality. These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, "every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is intrinsically evil. Emphasis added. Do you consider what you are suggesting for some posters on this message board is intrinsically evil? I wonder what that says about you? Another christian view:
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Post by Lee on Mar 27, 2016 18:17:15 GMT -5
Thats quite a deflection from the question of freewill. Usually its atheists arguing about an alleged conflict between God and freewill but a conflict between freewill and science? Im not sure stranger things could happen.
The RCC guidelines on repro are a bit overblown but its better than no guide at all.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 28, 2016 0:23:37 GMT -5
Thats quite a deflection from the question of freewill. Usually its atheists arguing about an alleged conflict between God and freewill but a conflict between freewill and science? Im not sure stranger things could happen. The RCC guidelines on repro are a bit overblown but its better than no guide at all. Lee, answer the post about your belief that some of us on this board should have been sterilized.
Don't try to evade it by over riding it.
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Post by Lee on Mar 28, 2016 0:59:29 GMT -5
Maybe only children have freewill and thats why we correct them. Ask an average kid if their parents dont seem like aliens at times!
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 28, 2016 2:39:29 GMT -5
Maybe only children have freewill and thats why we correct them. Ask an average kid if their parents dont seem like aliens at times! Still evading!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 4:23:21 GMT -5
Maybe only children have freewill and thats why we correct them. Ask an average kid if their parents dont seem like aliens at times! Still evading!I think that he has the right to remain silent because anything he writes here might be used as evidence against him and his arguments. Smart fellow.
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Post by rational on Mar 28, 2016 9:08:32 GMT -5
Maybe only children have freewill and thats why we correct them. Ask an average kid if their parents dont seem like aliens at times! Ask an average parent if their kids don't seem like aliens at times!
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Post by Lee on Mar 28, 2016 11:38:53 GMT -5
Rrright!
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Post by Lee on Mar 28, 2016 11:39:48 GMT -5
Is someone really believes their child doesnt have freewill they have no business raising them and should be sterilized.
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Post by commonman on Mar 28, 2016 13:40:31 GMT -5
And if someone believes nothing existed at some antiquity in time, they haven't got a leg to stand on .
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Post by commonman on Mar 28, 2016 13:48:44 GMT -5
Infinity has always existed, finite is that which Is taken or borrowed from the infinite.
Likewise eternity has also always existed, measured time has been borrowed from the eternal
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