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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 18:39:40 GMT -5
I find it amusing when I hear Americans commenting that Canadians are just like Americans -- what's the difference? Other than the fact that their cities are usually cleaner, the other ways Canadians differ from Americans aren't that apparent, unless you investigate their sense of community. It's a gentler society. Lots of over-generalization Bob. Canada is a very spread-out country with quite different people in different regions. The US has extremely different people within its very diverse geographic confines as well. Saskatchewanites and North Dakotans are more alike than they are similar to folks from other parts of their own countries. Mainians and New Brunswickers are more alike than they are similar to folks from other parts of their own countries. Albertans and Rocky Mountains states folks (MT, ID, WY, CO) are more alike than they are similar to other folks from their own countries. British Columbians and Pacific Northwestern states folks (WA, OR, northern CA) are more alike than they are similar to folks from other parts of their own countries. As for 'gentler', Southerners have a reputation for that quality by which they are world famous. The most consistent characterization I've encountered with Canadians from across their entire country is their anti-Americanism - their professed self-righteousness that Canada is a better country with better people than the USA. Why is this common? Because it is propaganda the Canadian government and media push on Canadians to keep them living in a sub-arctic zone when much nicer climates are close by. The idea that Canada is a great country is laughable. It is marginal land, even the best of which is land-locked, that is only worth living in because it is next to the USA. Just like Mexico would be a failed state if it did not border the USA and receive the benefits thereof. As for the ongoing thesis in this thread about Americans and their guns, there is only one answer. Table 43 of the FBI's annual report on crime. As an additional hint, I will also tell you that Brazil has very extensive control legislation.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 13, 2016 18:46:30 GMT -5
I find it amusing when I hear Americans commenting that Canadians are just like Americans -- what's the difference? Other than the fact that their cities are usually cleaner, the other ways Canadians differ from Americans aren't that apparent, unless you investigate their sense of community. It's a gentler society. Lots of over-generalization Bob. Canada is a very spread-out country with quite different people in different regions. The US has extremely different people within its very diverse geographic confines as well. Saskatchewanites and North Dakotans are more alike than they are similar to folks from other parts of their own countries. Mainians and New Brunswickers are more alike than they are similar to folks from other parts of their own countries. Albertans and Rocky Mountains states folks (MT, ID, WY, CO) are more alike than they are similar to other folks from their own countries. British Columbians and Pacific Northwestern states folks (WA, OR, northern CA) are more alike than they are similar to folks from other parts of their own countries. As for 'gentler', Southerners have a reputation for that quality by which they are world famous. The most consistent characterization I've encountered with Canadians from across their entire country is their anti-Americanism - their professed self-righteousness that Canada is a better country with better people than the USA. Why is this common? Because it is propaganda the Canadian government and media push on Canadians to keep them living in a sub-arctic zone when much nicer climates are close by. The idea that Canada is a great country is laughable. It is marginal land, even the best of which is land-locked, that is only worth living in because it is next to the USA. Just like Mexico would be a failed state if it did not border the USA and receive the benefits thereof. As for the ongoing thesis in this thread about Americans and their guns, there is only one answer. Table 43 of the FBI's annual report on crime. As an additional hint, I will also tell you that Brazil has very extensive control legislation. Yes, of course. Canadians are well aware of Americans like you -- loud, rude, and basically ignorant.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 18:52:30 GMT -5
Lots of over-generalization Bob. Canada is a very spread-out country with quite different people in different regions. The US has extremely different people within its very diverse geographic confines as well. Saskatchewanites and North Dakotans are more alike than they are similar to folks from other parts of their own countries. Mainians and New Brunswickers are more alike than they are similar to folks from other parts of their own countries. Albertans and Rocky Mountains states folks (MT, ID, WY, CO) are more alike than they are similar to other folks from their own countries. British Columbians and Pacific Northwestern states folks (WA, OR, northern CA) are more alike than they are similar to folks from other parts of their own countries. As for 'gentler', Southerners have a reputation for that quality by which they are world famous. The most consistent characterization I've encountered with Canadians from across their entire country is their anti-Americanism - their professed self-righteousness that Canada is a better country with better people than the USA. Why is this common? Because it is propaganda the Canadian government and media push on Canadians to keep them living in a sub-arctic zone when much nicer climates are close by. The idea that Canada is a great country is laughable. It is marginal land, even the best of which is land-locked, that is only worth living in because it is next to the USA. Just like Mexico would be a failed state if it did not border the USA and receive the benefits thereof. As for the ongoing thesis in this thread about Americans and their guns, there is only one answer. Table 43 of the FBI's annual report on crime. As an additional hint, I will also tell you that Brazil has very extensive control legislation. Yes, of course. Canadians are well aware of Americans like you -- loud, rude, and basically ignorant. Bobby, you sure try hard for a retard. Unfortunately your low-brow insults betray pedestrian cognition.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 13, 2016 21:10:06 GMT -5
Yes, of course. Canadians are well aware of Americans like you -- loud, rude, and basically ignorant. Bobby, you sure try hard for a retard. Unfortunately your low-brow insults betray pedestrian cognition. Sorry. I didn't realize "simple" was complimentary.
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Post by blacksheep on Feb 14, 2016 16:07:19 GMT -5
being in the military and being ordered to kill for some political reason is a little different from killing to protect someone during a home invasion not a real big difference but some nonetheless. I would suggest a study of the Nuremberg trials held after WWII. (The defense "I was just following orders" didn't work.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 17:01:52 GMT -5
being in the military and being ordered to kill for some political reason is a little different from killing to protect someone during a home invasion not a real big difference but some nonetheless. I would suggest a study of the Nuremberg trials held after WWII. (The defense "I was just following orders" didn't work.) that wasn't what we were talking about read the post before mine to see what I was addressing....
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Post by blacksheep on Feb 14, 2016 17:37:40 GMT -5
being in the military and being ordered to kill for some political reason is a little different from killing to protect someone during a home invasion not a real big difference but some nonetheless. I am in agreement with your statement up to the point when you say: "not a real big difference but some nonetheless" I think it is a HUGE difference. And I cite the Nuremberg trials.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 14, 2016 18:27:44 GMT -5
Listen to Universal Soldier by Buffy St Marie. That tells the story about who allows the killing.
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 17, 2016 20:38:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 21:31:13 GMT -5
an article for the eternally timid. we have(depending on whom you choose to believe)250,000 to 2,000,000 SUCCESFUL defensive uses of a firearm per year in America...
I will agree that you should keep them locked up if your not home and have children...
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Post by rational on Feb 17, 2016 21:41:04 GMT -5
Violence is a thing of this world. The Children of Israel had to live in a violent world. And it seems that their god was powerless to protect them, especially when faced with technology that included iron parts.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 18, 2016 0:22:46 GMT -5
Violence is a thing of this world. The Children of Israel had to live in a violent world. Yep! The Children of Israel surely did live in a violent world!
That is exactly why they created THEIR "god" as a god of war.
Problem is, -people today are trying to re-create HIM as a loving "god!"
That is the reason for so much dissonance in their belief system.
It puts their own beliefs at loggerheads with each other.
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Post by slowtosee on Feb 18, 2016 0:50:55 GMT -5
Thinking of dissonance , just wondering, dmmichigood , if you support or "fight" for selective service or "the draft" for women ? Personally, I don't. Alvin
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 18, 2016 2:21:30 GMT -5
Thinking of dissonance, just wondering, dmmichigood , if you support or "fight" for selective service or "the draft" for women? Personally, I don't. Alvin Why should there be any dissonance there for me?
Why should my sons be the only ones that have to go to war but not my daughter?
Why would you expect only your sons, -if you have any sons, -but not your daughter if you have a daughter ?
Would you explain why you seem to hold the opinion that you do concerning your position?
PS: definition of cognitive dissonance:
"psychological conflict resulting from incongruous beliefs and attitudes held simultaneously."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 4:12:23 GMT -5
To those who trust in god and believe in prayer, Why would you possess a firearm to protect self or loved ones? To do so informs you have doubts about your god's ability to respond to your requests and needs. God never promised us immunity from any and everything, but he gave most of us common sense.
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Post by rational on Feb 18, 2016 4:18:48 GMT -5
God never promised us immunity from any and everything, but he gave most of us common sense. Given the promise to grant any request made in the name of Jesus implies a promise of protection from whatever anyone chose to request.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 4:21:24 GMT -5
Violence is a thing of this world. The Children of Israel had to live in a violent world. And it seems that their god was powerless to protect them, especially when faced with technology that included iron parts. My understanding is that whilst the Children of Israel served their God as God intended he did indeed bless and protect them. It was when they took their own way they left that protection and blessings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 4:25:58 GMT -5
Violence is a thing of this world. The Children of Israel had to live in a violent world. Yep! The Children of Israel surely did live in a violent world!
That is exactly why they created THEIR "god" as a god of war.
Problem is, -people today are trying to re-create HIM as a loving "god!"
That is the reason for so much dissonance in their belief system.
It puts their own beliefs at loggerheads with each other.
There is no evidence for your statement that the Children of Israel "created" their God. Perhaps you mean "evolved," like over millions or billions of years? People need to 'seek' the living God. Many seek amiss. Our beliefs are to be in line with what God teaches us, not according to what we want it to be, or are influenced by outside the teaching of the Holy Spirit.
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Post by rational on Feb 18, 2016 4:26:44 GMT -5
And it seems that their god was powerless to protect them, especially when faced with technology that included iron parts. My understanding is that whilst the Children of Israel served their God as God intended he did indeed bless and protect them. It was when they took their own way they left that protection and blessings. Except for those iron chariots...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 4:41:32 GMT -5
God never promised us immunity from any and everything, but he gave most of us common sense. Given the promise to grant any request made in the name of Jesus implies a promise of protection from whatever anyone chose to request. By implication it would appear that way, but I believe the real implication was : " any reasonable request in the name of Jesus." Now lets say that someone was fed up with life and living and made a request in the name of Jesus for the world to be ended immediately, I dont think that would be a reasonable request because it would not be in His plan, so it is most unlikely that He would grant it; well that is the way I see it anyway, you and others might see it differently.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 18, 2016 6:04:06 GMT -5
Given the promise to grant any request made in the name of Jesus implies a promise of protection from whatever anyone chose to request. By implication it would appear that way, but I believe the real implication was : " any reasonable request in the name of Jesus."
Now lets say that someone was fed up with life and living and made a request in the name of Jesus for the world to be ended immediately, I don't think that would be a reasonable request because it would not be in His plan, so it is most unlikely that He would grant it; well that is the way I see it anyway, you and others might see it differently. That is what makes prayer work, isn't it?
You ask for something and it does happens, (might have happened anyway) & you can feel like your prayer was answered.
Reverse it and whatever you prayed for doesn't happen, and you feel like for some reason or the other it was not suppose to be good for you or for someone else or just "not God's will" at least not at the moment, or "unreasonable," or, or... well something anyway!
Oh, I know the feeling, -use to believe it myself !
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 18, 2016 6:25:25 GMT -5
Yep! The Children of Israel surely did live in a violent world!
That is exactly why they created THEIR "god" as a god of war.
Problem is, -people today are trying to re-create HIM as a loving "god!"
That is the reason for so much dissonance in their belief system.
It puts their own beliefs at loggerheads with each other.
There is no evidence for your statement that the Children of Israel "created" their God. Perhaps you mean "evolved," like over millions or billions of years? People need to 'seek' the living God. Many seek amiss. Our beliefs are to be in line with what God teaches us, not according to what we want it to be, or are influenced by outside the teaching of the Holy Spirit. No. I didn't mean "evolve."
I mean that mankind creates their gods/goddesses in their own image. They create them in order to fulfill the kinds of help that they need at that time.
When they are wondering about hunting & gathering , seeking shelter & food; that is a time they need a god of war to help them fight others in the area to carve out a place to settle down and tend a herd & sow crops in peace.
The Children of Israel were in that position at that time and they created that kind of god they needed then.
It wasn't god creating them in HIS image ! They created "god" in their image.
By creating the god they needed they could then tell themselves that it was perfectly alright to kill anyone & everyone because their god not only allowed such barbaric behavior, but actually ordered them to do so!
There is NO 'living' god except the god that mankind creates at the time in which they live.
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Post by slowtosee on Feb 18, 2016 9:20:58 GMT -5
Thinking of dissonance, just wondering, dmmichigood , if you support or "fight" for selective service or "the draft" for women? Personally, I don't. Alvin Why should there be any dissonance there for me?
Why should my sons be the only ones that have to go to war but not my daughter?
Why would you expect only your sons, -if you have any sons, -but not your daughter if you have a daughter ?
Would you explain why you seem to hold the opinion that you do concerning your position?
PS: definition of cognitive dissonance:
"psychological conflict resulting from incongruous beliefs and attitudes held simultaneously."
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Post by slowtosee on Feb 18, 2016 9:35:25 GMT -5
Thinking of dissonance, just wondering, dmmichigood , if you support or "fight" for selective service or "the draft" for women? Personally, I don't. Alvin Why should there be any dissonance there for me?
Why should my sons be the only ones that have to go to war but not my daughter?
Why would you expect only your sons, -if you have any sons, -but not your daughter if you have a daughter ?
Would you explain why you seem to hold the opinion that you do concerning your position?
PS: definition of cognitive dissonance:
"psychological conflict resulting from incongruous beliefs and attitudes held simultaneously."
One of many faults i have is, as a father of a daughter and husband of a wife, feeling a tesponsibility to protect them from harm. Of course, i want the protection for my sons also, but not in exactlybthe same way. I appreciated the honesty of some feminist activists who admitted in themselves that although they were in support of equality, they felt reserved about forcing their girls to war. Equal but not the same. Dissonance is probably a part of human reality, whether we recognize it or not? Alvin Some more exqmples would be an "enviromentalist" driving a car , or animal lover eating a hamburger or even plants .... Not really possible to avoid cognitive dissonance. It just happens and some experts consider it essential for ecistence.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 10:17:11 GMT -5
There is no evidence for your statement that the Children of Israel "created" their God. Perhaps you mean "evolved," like over millions or billions of years? People need to 'seek' the living God. Many seek amiss. Our beliefs are to be in line with what God teaches us, not according to what we want it to be, or are influenced by outside the teaching of the Holy Spirit. No. I didn't mean "evolve."
I mean that mankind creates their gods/goddesses in their own image. They create them in order to fulfill the kinds of help that they need at that time.
When they are wondering about hunting & gathering , seeking shelter & food; that is a time they need a god of war to help them fight others in the area to carve out a place to settle down and tend a herd & sow crops in peace.
The Children of Israel were in that position at that time and they created that kind of god they needed then.
It wasn't god creating them in HIS image ! They created "god" in their image.
By creating the god they needed they could then tell themselves that it was perfectly alright to kill anyone & everyone because their god not only allowed such barbaric behavior, but actually ordered them to do so!
There is NO 'living' god except the god that mankind creates at the time in which they live. So you don't believe in the Trinity then?
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Post by rational on Feb 18, 2016 10:26:30 GMT -5
By implication it would appear that way, but I believe the real implication was : " any reasonable request in the name of Jesus." Can you point to where it was implied that the request needed to be reasonable? And reasonable to whom?That makes perfect sense. But suppose that someone wandered into a hospital/nursing home/hospice center and saw many, many people suffering with terminal cancer and prayed, in Jesus' name, that those suffering with cancer be cured. Is that not a reasonable request? A father watching his son suffering from cerebral palsy asks in Jesus' name that his son be cured. A completely unselfish request. Not looking for personal gain. Just wanting to end the suffering of his child. Is that a reasonable request? Why doesn't it work? Your example was clear. But when an omnipotent omniscient being makes a promise it seems like the details would have been considered before the promise was made.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 11:58:46 GMT -5
By implication it would appear that way, but I believe the real implication was : " any reasonable request in the name of Jesus." Can you point to where it was implied that the request needed to be reasonable? And reasonable to whom?That makes perfect sense. But suppose that someone wandered into a hospital/nursing home/hospice center and saw many, many people suffering with terminal cancer and prayed, in Jesus' name, that those suffering with cancer be cured. Is that not a reasonable request? A father watching his son suffering from cerebral palsy asks in Jesus' name that his son be cured. A completely unselfish request. Not looking for personal gain. Just wanting to end the suffering of his child. Is that a reasonable request? Why doesn't it work? Your example was clear. But when an omnipotent omniscient being makes a promise it seems like the details would have been considered before the promise was made. Perhaps so, but we are taught that His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts etc. etc.
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Post by rational on Feb 18, 2016 12:33:02 GMT -5
Perhaps so, but we are taught that His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts etc. etc. Yes, that is the usual answer. What it means is that uinless you happen to pray/ask for whatever god was going to do/provide anyway that your prayers are useless. Of course, did humans ever think they could change god's mind regardless of the promises made? It appears that prayer works exactly like random chance. Here is someone's thoughts on this topic:One of the apologist replies frequently raised against atheist arguments such as the argument from evil, the argument from divine hiddenness, or the argument from incompetence, is that God is so much higher and more intelligent than human beings that it would be the height of arrogance for us to presume to judge him. Bolstered by verses such as the above, this argument holds that what we imagine to be evidence of God’s nonexistence, incompetence or malevolence is actually the wise plan of a powerful creator, and that the decisions religion says God makes only seem poor to us because we lack the intellect to appreciate the reasons behind them.
However, this argument has a major hole in it. Namely, if it is true that God’s thoughts are so much higher than ours that we cannot hope to understand them, then how can anyone know what he is really like or what he does or does not want? Ironically, the very same people who claim that human beings cannot understand God’s ways almost inevitably go on to add, either implicitly or explicitly, “But I know what God wants us to do!”
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