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Post by So then on Feb 26, 2020 15:25:59 GMT -5
I would love to continue this discussion
By asking some opinions of those that might
Like to enter this discussion??
Is it likely that the concept for logic was first
discovered as a mathematical endeavor or
a linguistic reasoning endeavor? Or simultaneously
Both??
Logos means to have a valid reason , (as in (meaning ))
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Post by snow on Feb 26, 2020 16:01:00 GMT -5
The Greek word logos is from the oldest of the Greek Symbolic concepts that was useful in communication. Aristotle sought to define it as such (as per thought) If we wish to decry him of his effort in defining that should be of interesting note, as rarely do We Americans decry Webster’s original even as we Add additional definitions to such words? Carry on , ! 🙂 Thanks You need to re-read what I said.
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Post by ant_rotten on Feb 26, 2020 18:36:43 GMT -5
Can you imagine how the neighbours of ancient Israel would have seen that text... “In the beginning, god created...”. I’m sure they would ask the question, “where did god come from?”. It’s interesting that all of the ancient near east creation accounts tells of how their god came to be, which is known as theogony. Genesis lacks theogony. Genesis, from a comparative perspective then, begins mid story.. Yes, there are some interesting questions that may arise from their neighboring comrades There is an interesting history surrounding these Competitors: Try reading : “Nimrod and Abraham, the rivalry” 🤐🤐 Not sure what they were trying to accomplish! Eh? Thanks I would think that the absence of a theogony in genesis is a theological point.. a way in which Israel broke with the mythology of their neighbors. The world is not made up of mutually opposed force’s, the sun and moon are not deities and the is sky not full of divinities. The entire world comes from one god...
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Post by So then on Feb 26, 2020 21:58:47 GMT -5
The Greek word logos is from the oldest of the Greek Symbolic concepts that was useful in communication. Aristotle sought to define it as such (as per thought) If we wish to decry him of his effort in defining that should be of interesting note, as rarely do We Americans decry Webster’s original even as we Add additional definitions to such words? Carry on , ! 🙂 Thanks You need to re-read what I said. Will do! Sorry I didn’t understand your analysis.🙁 Thanks for the time
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Post by So then on Feb 26, 2020 22:00:51 GMT -5
Yes, there are some interesting questions that may arise from their neighboring comrades There is an interesting history surrounding these Competitors: Try reading : “Nimrod and Abraham, the rivalry” 🤐🤐 Not sure what they were trying to accomplish! Eh? Thanks I would think that the absence of a theogony in genesis is a theological point.. a way in which Israel broke with the mythology of their neighbors. The world is not made up of mutually opposed force’s, the sun and moon are not deities and the is sky not full of divinities. The entire world comes from one god... Interesting! Oh the web we leave when we deceive, comes to mind thanks for your thoughts
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Post by ant_rotten on Feb 26, 2020 22:35:24 GMT -5
I would think that the absence of a theogony in genesis is a theological point.. a way in which Israel broke with the mythology of their neighbors. The world is not made up of mutually opposed force’s, the sun and moon are not deities and the is sky not full of divinities. The entire world comes from one god... Interesting! Oh the web we leave when we deceive, comes to mind thanks for your thoughts What’s interesting is that the religious literature of many ancient people’s did not begin with a creation story. The Koran has a creation story, and it’s not at the beginning. The Rigveda, the holy scriptures of Hinduism, also has a creation story that is not at the beginning of the text. Theologians will say things like god is eternal, god is omnipresent. While the ancient Israelites wouldn’t have used philosophical terms like ”theology”, by placing the creation story in genesis at the beginning of the bible and along with its lack of theogony, there is clear theological implications here.. the writers in genesis are basically saying the same thing by omitting parts of the story..
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Post by So then on Feb 29, 2020 22:30:32 GMT -5
Either there is a design or no?
Design implies design originator.
Are there any limiting factors , (in the design) that are illogical, haphazard , strictly random ?
So then I suppose that the “holy grail “ hypothesis would
Involve some kind of “logic” , perhaps it’s more logical
that life would beget life? Yes , we know that works
99.99999999999999% of the time, well according to
abiogenesis , it seems we are faced with a miraculous
Event where life came from the dead!?
Today we call those events miracles!
Thanks
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Post by So then on Mar 1, 2020 4:25:58 GMT -5
The precepts of evolution are left pointless?
What is the point/logic (or mechanisms for any mutation)
None.
In fact since creation has several known mechanisms that would
Selfcorrect, the only logical explanation for “so-called “ mutations, is
to consider that the “mutation” was not a mutation,
But was a significant part of the organism’s intentionality
after all there is no reason that a “mutation” would slip
Under the radar of the error corrections mechanisms,
IMO.
Of course I am open to learn that evolution has postulated
Some sort of “mechanism “ that would drive its erroneous
Postulates/myths? But as yet is bankrupt!
Hmmm
Thanks
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Post by So then on Mar 1, 2020 13:12:56 GMT -5
How important of a postulate is the view
that some portions of our human DNA diverges
from what we think it should be, and apply
the divergence to a “mutation “ //“error”
This in spite of the fact that every instructional
of the DNA has been impeccably proofed
for the purpose of elimination of “mutations “
does it ever occur to thinking humans that our
species can exhibit intentionality of change?
Its all within the scope of each species to do so
thanks
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Post by So then on Mar 1, 2020 13:19:34 GMT -5
Ok, an evolutionist might think he knows
how his personal DNA works, because his
belief system is formed around undirected, haphazardness in order to survive!
what kind of theory is that absurd? Silence..
anyways I can logically affirm that there is
no logic to the concept of undirected logic!
imagine that!!
Thanks
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Post by So then on Mar 3, 2020 6:16:02 GMT -5
Yes, the New York teacher got it right!
What kind of response did he get?
Well ... the evolutionists claim that evolution is the
Only choice??? Sad sad day for education the Creator
Must be very dismayed?
Or perhaps will the day come when evolution is
Laughed to scorn? Or the day evolutionists open there Eyes to see ?
We can humbly wait , and know who created us !
Hmmm
Thank you
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Post by So then on Mar 3, 2020 7:42:46 GMT -5
I wanna know!
Tell , pray tell, if a paradigm is based on random procedures!,
How does a “normal “ human distinguish betwixt
the procedures that are intentional (intentionality)
and those haphazard procedures (evolution?!?) that
Our “ Educated “ humans theorize are “mutations “ (not intentional)
Well then , perhaps if we repeat “mutation, mutation, mutation “
Enough times we can brainwash the simpletons ??
I hope we can do better than that some day!
In the meanwhile. , please consider the truth about
Our DNA, it’s truly remarkable , if we understand
It’s true function ! Not the least is to keep Each species unique and based by its code
Thanks
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Post by So then on Mar 3, 2020 7:58:32 GMT -5
Basically haphazardness occurs when we cannot
Predict the procedures!
Which is the premise of evolution, excluding our
Inherent DNA which gives us an expectation, based
On haphazard procedures that happen to contain
Some “questionable” procedures . ?? Hhuhh??
First you say the whole ball of wax is haphazard,
The you “bait and switch” the paradigm to isolate
Procedures that must belong to the mutant haphazard family?
What senseless illogical illogicalness are “so called”
Science teachers feeding the public school students??
Garbage in// Garbage out!! Sad to say , very sad to experience!
Hmmmm.
It’s not too late though
Thankfully
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Post by So then on Mar 3, 2020 13:07:43 GMT -5
Intelligent life is codependent on logic, not haphazardness
It seems that most common humans have enuf common sense to grasp this altruism, aye?
If not, pleeazee don’t trip over you science books that teach the opposite!!
Hmmmm
Thanks
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Post by So then on Mar 3, 2020 13:14:49 GMT -5
Logic will Always exist , with or without human intelligence opinions.
It is an eternal attribute , always the right answer to what we are interacting with/around.
Please take a liberal portion of common sense which
Gives Logic a very pleasant aroma!
IMO
Thanks
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 4, 2020 10:21:15 GMT -5
Do we even have a creator ?
Because we are humans and heard the calling But we made all this stuff up along the way We made all this stuff to abide by Money , religion and words man We made the words up Do you know the top 3 things a human wants ? To eat , sleep and procreate .
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Post by So then on Mar 5, 2020 0:49:06 GMT -5
Do we even have a creator ? Because we are humans and heard the calling But we made all this stuff up along the way We made all this stuff to abide by Money , religion and words man We made the words up Do you know the top 3 things a human wants ? To eat , sleep and procreate . Oh , I didn’t see “dying” on that list? But that’s ok! Most humans want to live, don’t we! Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 0:51:34 GMT -5
Do we even have a creator ? Because we are humans and heard the calling But we made all this stuff up along the way We made all this stuff to abide by Money , religion and words man We made the words up Do you know the top 3 things a human wants ? To eat , sleep and procreate . yes despite the nay sayers we do have a God/creator....
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 5, 2020 0:54:09 GMT -5
Do we even have a creator ? Because we are humans and heard the calling But we made all this stuff up along the way We made all this stuff to abide by Money , religion and words man We made the words up Do you know the top 3 things a human wants ? To eat , sleep and procreate . yes despite the nay sayers we do have a God/creator.... Prove it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 0:55:54 GMT -5
yes despite the nay sayers we do have a God/creator.... Prove it look around you there are over a trillion coincidences looking you in the face....
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 5, 2020 0:58:23 GMT -5
look around you there are over a trillion coincidences looking you in the face.... There’s also trillions of evidences against this claim too..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 1:03:33 GMT -5
look around you there are over a trillion coincidences looking you in the face.... There’s also trillions of evidences against this claim too.. you should come up with your own comeback instead of using part of mine....
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 5, 2020 1:05:10 GMT -5
There’s also trillions of evidences against this claim too.. you should come up with your own comeback instead of using part of mine.... Ok, prove it..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 1:06:58 GMT -5
you should come up with your own comeback instead of using part of mine.... Ok, prove it.. not enough room or time to type them all out...its gonna takes some logic and some faith on your part...
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 5, 2020 1:08:50 GMT -5
Ok, prove it.. not enough room or time to type them all out...its gonna takes some logic and some faith on your part... logic would have the effect of disproving you claim..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 1:12:16 GMT -5
not enough room or time to type them all out...its gonna takes some logic and some faith on your part... logic would have the effect of disproving you claim.. not while combined with faith...just sayin'
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 5, 2020 1:16:29 GMT -5
logic would have the effect of disproving you claim.. not while combined with faith...just sayin' I don’t believe ”faith” can be used in a conversation about proof..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 1:23:50 GMT -5
not while combined with faith...just sayin' I don’t believe ”faith” can be used in a conversation about proof.. its called ID try it....
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