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Post by Z man on Sept 8, 2015 16:07:44 GMT -5
The main board has it's regulars. Some professing. Some long gone.
I have serious doubts about several "professing" posters as to whether they add any value to debate or do they add fuel to the fire of objection to their religious convictions. When will these posters realise that they do not represent the majority of "professing" people.
Also I am often troubled by the postings of persons who no longer attend meetings but seem to know more about events than many who still attend. Why are they still interested? I guess they were trouble in and now trouble out. I guess that if you have been to a breakfast with Ross you would understand a little more.
I have not been to a meeting for well over 20 years. Certainly I am interested in friends that still attend. But I respect those friends and would never use a forum like this to try to debase them.
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Post by rational on Sept 8, 2015 20:46:59 GMT -5
Also I am often troubled by the postings of persons who no longer attend meetings but seem to know more about events than many who still attend. Why are they still interested? Personally, I have family and socialize with people who still attend meetings.Never thought of myself as trouble within or without.
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Post by Z man on Sept 8, 2015 21:28:51 GMT -5
Funny thing you were not one I was thinking of. Perhaps my remarks were too generalised.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 13:13:13 GMT -5
It maybe you left so you could live life as you want. There may be some who never planned on leaving but were pushed.
There are two very different group on this board of ex's.
Please respect both groups.
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Post by Z man on Sept 9, 2015 18:58:17 GMT -5
Thanks Marie for the rebuke
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Post by Z man on Sept 13, 2015 6:58:11 GMT -5
i am sure there are more than two groups on this site. Religion brings out the best. And the worst in people.
Marie, it is very hard to respect the beliefs of some here. Both professing and non professing.
I left because I lost my belief in Jesus. He is not God, was not God and never will be God. Christianity was spread by a man who killed people who followed Jesus. Christians forgave him. How many Christians today forgive evil? Not many on these boards that's for sure.
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Post by snow on Sept 13, 2015 11:56:33 GMT -5
i am sure there are more than two groups on this site. Religion brings out the best. And the worst in people. Marie, it is very hard to respect the beliefs of some here. Both professing and non professing. I left because I lost my belief in Jesus. He is not God, was not God and never will be God. Christianity was spread by a man who killed people who followed Jesus. Christians forgave him. How many Christians today forgive evil? Not many on these boards that's for sure. Christian history is bleak. No different than what ISIS is doing right now. How can it be any different if you give power to a group that have the Abrahamic God for guidance? You really have to be in denial mode to think that God was a God of love and forgiveness. You just have to have a look at Israel and Muslim countries to see what those who follow the Abrahamic God are like when they get power. See what they do to everyone they don't like.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 13, 2015 15:52:43 GMT -5
It maybe you left so you could live life as you want. There may be some who never planned on leaving but were pushed. There are two very different group on this board of ex's. Please respect both groups. There are a whole lot more than just two groups, Marie! That statement, "It maybe you left so you could live life as you want," is a favorite of professing people. Those still professing have to believe that a person could NOT possibly leave for a genuine reason other than "living like they want."
It gives the remaining professing people a justification for their own "sacrifices" that they may suffer from having to follow all those rules laid down in the **TRUTH.**
Another favorite saying is that the person leaving never had a "true" revelation of the **TRUTH.** That also is one that "explains" the person leaving and make themselves feel better that THEY do have "true" revelation !
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Post by rational on Sept 13, 2015 19:54:38 GMT -5
Funny thing you were not one I was thinking of. Perhaps my remarks were too generalised. I sat quietly. Looked into the darkness of my closet. I envisioned my seer stones. I pictured your head. Focused on your thoughts. Was sure I had it right. I guess the skeptics were right - I can't read minds! I don't know what you are thinking ( or do I?)
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Post by Z man on Sept 13, 2015 22:38:00 GMT -5
Scarey thought that Rational. That is looking at my head.....even scarier looking into my mind..
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Post by rational on Sept 14, 2015 10:06:12 GMT -5
Scarey thought that Rational. That is looking at my head.....even scarier looking into my mind.. My seer stones just went blank.....
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Sept 14, 2015 11:05:50 GMT -5
i am sure there are more than two groups on this site. Religion brings out the best. And the worst in people. Marie, it is very hard to respect the beliefs of some here. Both professing and non professing. I left because I lost my belief in Jesus. He is not God, was not God and never will be God. Christianity was spread by a man who killed people who followed Jesus. Christians forgave him. How many Christians today forgive evil? Not many on these boards that's for sure. Christian history is bleak. No different than what ISIS is doing right now. How can it be any different if you give power to a group that have the Abrahamic God for guidance? You really have to be in denial mode to think that God was a God of love and forgiveness. You just have to have a look at Israel and Muslim countries to see what those who follow the Abrahamic God are like when they get power. See what they do to everyone they don't like. Why are those who conducted the crusades labeled "Christian" when they violated the most basic precepts of what Christ lived and taught? I don't understand that. The crusaders by Christ's definitions and life were NOT Christians. Neither is a religious person who kills an abortion doctor. It's irrational and illogical to label violent people Christian. Why can't people use accurate labels? Labeling violent people Christians seems to be a straw man invented just for argument, just to attack. It's disgusting. The difference to ISIS is that they have the words and demonstrated violence of Muhammad to justify the violence they commit and can accurately be labeled followers of Muhammad and Muslims.
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Post by matisse on Sept 14, 2015 11:25:29 GMT -5
Christian history is bleak. No different than what ISIS is doing right now. How can it be any different if you give power to a group that have the Abrahamic God for guidance? You really have to be in denial mode to think that God was a God of love and forgiveness. You just have to have a look at Israel and Muslim countries to see what those who follow the Abrahamic God are like when they get power. See what they do to everyone they don't like. Why are those who conducted the crusades labeled "Christian" when they violated the most basic precepts of what Christ lived and taught? I don't understand that. The crusaders by Christ's definitions and life were NOT Christians. Neither is a religious person who kills an abortion doctor. It's irrational and illogical to label violent people Christian. Why can't people use accurate labels? Labeling violent people Christians seems to be a straw man invented just for argument, just to attack. It's disgusting. The difference to ISIS is that they have the words and demonstrated violence of Muhammad to justify the violence they commit and can accurately be labeled followers of Muhammad and Muslims. It depends on your definitions. Who qualifies as a "neighbor" for example? During the time of slavery in the U.S., people of African descent were not considered fully human. Not sure one qualifies as a neighbor if one does not meet the "basic standard" of human. Easy to rationalize all kinds of behavior in that case. What qualifies as "Love?" If torture and threat of death convinces someone to convert to Christianity, thereby securing their salvation, could the torture then be seen as an act of love? And after all, Jesus did say that he had come to bring a sword. You define Christianity with Protestant and modern day bias. There is no scriptural requirement for "sola scriptura." Who are you to declare that the Crusaders were not Christians following Divine revelation?
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Post by snow on Sept 14, 2015 14:36:10 GMT -5
Christian history is bleak. No different than what ISIS is doing right now. How can it be any different if you give power to a group that have the Abrahamic God for guidance? You really have to be in denial mode to think that God was a God of love and forgiveness. You just have to have a look at Israel and Muslim countries to see what those who follow the Abrahamic God are like when they get power. See what they do to everyone they don't like. Why are those who conducted the crusades labeled "Christian" when they violated the most basic precepts of what Christ lived and taught? I don't understand that. The crusaders by Christ's definitions and life were NOT Christians. Neither is a religious person who kills an abortion doctor. It's irrational and illogical to label violent people Christian. Why can't people use accurate labels? Labeling violent people Christians seems to be a straw man invented just for argument, just to attack. It's disgusting. The difference to ISIS is that they have the words and demonstrated violence of Muhammad to justify the violence they commit and can accurately be labeled followers of Muhammad and Muslims. Probably because they thought they were Christians, were on a Crusade for Christianity and called themselves Christians? What else are we supposed to call them? Just because they don't act like what you think Christians should doesn't mean they aren't thinking they are Christian and just having a different interpretation of what being Christian means than you do. I don't think you can successfully argue that the Catholic Church members aren't/weren't Christians. They might not act like to wish they would, but they are still Christian. That's their label, to use your lingo. Same goes for modern day Christians that totally believe they are Christian and acting in God's name and justifying it with scripture. As far as the sacred books go, the Bible has just as many verses in it that can be used to justify violence against heretics as the Quran. Some Christians use the scripture to call homosexuality an abomination and if they wanted to they could justify killing them according to the bible. In fact, I think that is an express order isn't it? So what I feel it comes down to in both Islam and Christianity, is the people and what they are like. If they want to do violence they will choose the parts of the bible or the quran to justify doing violence in God's name. If they are peaceful and loving people they will choose the verses that tell them to forgive and be loving. There are a lot of Muslims that are peaceful and loving and believe the definition of jihad is an inner war against doing evil. Those Christians that are more peaceful follow some of the more loving verses that are attributed to Jesus. But I don't think you can say they aren't Christian or Muslim just because they are violent because they will label themselves as Christian or Muslim and quote you scripture from their books that justifies their violence. Anyone that doesn't believe in a God and does violence is labelled atheist and it's an accurate label because atheist means no belief in any God. Doesn't mean all atheists kill or run killing regimes. So should peace loving atheists protest that they aren't real atheists? No.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 15, 2015 15:05:21 GMT -5
Scarey thought that Rational. That is looking at my head.....even scarier looking into my mind.. My seer stones just went blank..... Thats because you havent polished them. Also your technology is lacking.
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Post by Z man on Sept 15, 2015 16:58:04 GMT -5
Talking about adding value read some of the comments on the thread about Queensland head worker.
Hard to see how Faune and other aggressive past believers every really added value to meetings.
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Post by howitis on Sept 15, 2015 16:59:27 GMT -5
Talking about adding value read some of the comments on the thread about Queensland head worker. Hard to see how Faune and other aggressive past believers every really added value to meetings. Ouch!!!!!
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Post by Z man on Sept 16, 2015 4:37:07 GMT -5
The relevant thread on Queensland was started by a supposed historian who adds little to foster harmony on these sites.
Bit like the impartial reporter which was not able to report impartially a true historian reports the all the facts good and bad,
It is a bit disconcerning to see the glee expressed when a failing or perceived failing is reported to Ms Kropp.
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Post by howitis on Sept 16, 2015 5:15:20 GMT -5
The relevant thread on Queensland was started by a supposed historian who adds little to foster harmony on these sites. Bit like the impartial reporter which was not able to report impartially a true historian reports the all the facts good and bad, It is a bit disconcerning to see the glee expressed when a failing or perceived failing is reported to Ms Kropp. Ouch again!!!!
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Post by bubbles on Sept 16, 2015 6:35:42 GMT -5
Talking about adding value read some of the comments on the thread about Queensland head worker. Hard to see how Faune and other aggressive past believers every really added value to meetings. Thats just plain mean. How would you know what value an ex had while attending meetings? Do you have any idea of what some suffered? I guess the real question is would you have cared. If someone like me came to you for support or help a listening ear a shoulder?
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Post by Z man on Sept 16, 2015 14:27:02 GMT -5
Hi bubbles,
Remember I am a so called ex also. Life has taught me that the person who causes most of one's promblems is the person we look at when we look in the mirror. I believe that I am a compassionate person but sometime I see people complaining about problems brought about by their own doings.
Lean on me bubbles. I will listen
All the best
z
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Post by xna on Sept 16, 2015 15:51:27 GMT -5
Scarey thought that Rational. That is looking at my head.....even scarier looking into my mind.. My seer stones just went blank..... You need to upgrade to the new 3D printed model. Blank no more imgur.com/a/rEqg1
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Post by Z man on Sept 29, 2015 6:17:39 GMT -5
I have struggled for a very long time with the basic concept of religion. The God of the Jews, the God off Muslims and the God of Christians is the one and the same God.
With all the conflict between these groups something is just not right.
Who's side is God on? Which group or sub group is following the "true" way?
While I believe in a reason for life and the concept of a supreme being, i struggle to understand the religions of the world as they are practised today. If God exists he/she must be very troubled by the creation of mankind.
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Post by xna on Sept 29, 2015 10:11:34 GMT -5
I have struggled for a very long time with the basic concept of religion. The God of the Jews, the God off Muslims and the God of Christians is the one and the same God. With all the conflict between these groups something is just not right. Who's side is God on? Which group or sub group is following the "true" way? While I believe in a reason for life and the concept of a supreme being, i struggle to understand the religions of the world as they are practised today. If God exists he/she must be very troubled by the creation of mankind. I hope there are other life forms in the universe, such that if I met any my only words to describe them would be to call them "gods". That would make the world a much more interesting place. But today, we have no evidence of any life outside of earth, and we can only say as far as we know, we are alone in the universe. Given these facts, for me, the only rational position is to be an atheist. Any claims of gods are based on the imaginations of men, lacking good evidence. No matter how much you belive in your imagining, that does not make it real.There is nothing wrong with enjoying imaginations except when you can not separate the real, from the imagined. The way I see it is people don't like to be alone, people don't like unanswered questions, & people don't want to die. For most of mankind's existence their only thoughts were about survival. Once that was taken care of they could consider other more abstract thoughts. If the thing considered is tangible then the other guy can say; come here and see for yourself. If something is abstract it's more difficult to convince another that this something is real & true. When people think about these things and come to their best considered understanding, they feel they are right. Now if someone else thinks on the same thing and comes to their best considered understanding, but it's different than the other guys understanding, each may try to convince the other of which is more right. It's hard to know how many gods man has created. God checker - You guide has 4,000 gods categorized. Now if you pick just the Christian god there are denominations within that group, estimates run from 30,000 to 43,000 different christian denominations. As all these gods and denomination do not agree, so they all can't be right, but they all could be wrong. Adding a god to life is not value added, but a distraction to living. It's ok to say we don't know, let try and find out together.
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