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Post by snow on Sept 5, 2015 12:22:50 GMT -5
@nightshift yes it is I agree.
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Post by rational on Sept 5, 2015 17:18:52 GMT -5
Leave the study of abhorrent behaviours to the field of psychiatry and medicine where it belongs. Does this include hallucinations and the actions taken because of them?
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 5, 2015 18:55:38 GMT -5
That's a creepy photo, Snow.
Yes, But very apt!
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Post by joanna on Sept 5, 2015 20:28:08 GMT -5
If only people would strive to be free. Though followers of the "truth" may have never been directly involved in sectarian violence, and consequently tend to disconnect from those religions which are, they should contemplate that religious 'apartheid' perpetuates division, separation and disunity. The growth of a religion relies on the brain washing of the children, and whether this emanates from the home &/or faith schools, it is unacceptable that the religious feel entitled to hijack a child's mind and quash their natural quest for knowledge.
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Post by emy on Sept 7, 2015 17:26:12 GMT -5
That's a creepy photo, Snow.
Yes, But very apt!Not really apt. If you don't realize until afteer you arre "free," the hand is on the wrong side. I'm reminded of some lines from a popular hymn... "..my captive will a gladsome bird; prison'd in such a realm of GRACE."
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Post by rational on Sept 7, 2015 20:23:11 GMT -5
Not really apt. If you don't realize until afteer you arre "free," the hand is on the wrong side. I'm reminded of some lines from a popular hymn... "..my captive will a gladsome bird; prison'd in such a realm of GRACE." Makes me think of other words written in rhyme: I know what the caged bird feels, alas! When the sun is bright on the upland slopes; When the wind stirs soft through the springing grass, And the river flows like a stream of glass; When the first bird sings and the first bud opes, And the faint perfume from its chalice steals— I know what the caged bird feels!
I know why the caged bird beats his wing Till its blood is red on the cruel bars; For he must fly back to his perch and cling When he fain would be on the bough a-swing; And a pain still throbs in the old, old scars And they pulse again with a keener sting— I know why he beats his wing!
I know why the caged bird sings, ah me, When his wing is bruised and his bosom sore,— When he beats his bars and he would be free; It is not a carol of joy or glee, But a prayer that he sends from his heart's deep core, But a plea, that upward to Heaven he flings— I know why the caged bird sings! Paul DunbarSometimes people want to leave but find it difficult.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 7, 2015 22:54:41 GMT -5
Not really apt. If you don't realize until afteer you arre "free," the hand is on the wrong side. I'm reminded of some lines from a popular hymn... "..my captive will a gladsome bird; prison'd in such a realm of GRACE." Until you have been on of the other side, -you don't know what freedom really means!
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 7, 2015 23:07:52 GMT -5
If only people would strive to be free. Though followers of the "truth" may have never been directly involved in sectarian violence, and consequently tend to disconnect from those religions which are, they should contemplate that religious 'apartheid' perpetuates division, separation and disunity. The growth of a religion relies on the brain washing of the children, and whether this emanates from the home &/or faith schools, it is unacceptable that the religious feel entitled to hijack a child's mind and quash their natural quest for knowledge. The goal of education of a child should not be to imprint our own out look on their young minds, -but to lead by example in how to use their own minds in analyzing information by critical thinking to order to develop a love of truth.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 7, 2015 23:46:12 GMT -5
If only people would strive to be free. Though followers of the "truth" may have never been directly involved in sectarian violence, and consequently tend to disconnect from those religions which are, they should contemplate that religious 'apartheid' perpetuates division, separation and disunity. The growth of a religion relies on the brain washing of the children, and whether this emanates from the home &/or faith schools, it is unacceptable that the religious feel entitled to hijack a child's mind and quash their natural quest for knowledge. The goal of education of a child should not be to imprint our own out look on their young minds, -but to lead by example in how to use their own minds in analyzing information by critical thinking to order to develop a love of truth.Tell that to the authors of "Christian" school text books. I've just exposed myself to the philosophy of the author of a Christian history of the US. The purpose of Christian history is not to tell the story of the civil history of the country, but the story of God's intervention in making the US a foundation for Christian world domination.
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Post by joanna on Sept 8, 2015 4:17:19 GMT -5
Young minds are so vulnerable to false information. This article Were you there? gives a valuable insight into the experiences of a student who had been taught creationism by family and church.
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Post by emy on Sept 8, 2015 18:12:20 GMT -5
Not really apt. If you don't realize until afteer you arre "free," the hand is on the wrong side. I'm reminded of some lines from a popular hymn... "..my captive will a gladsome bird; prison'd in such a realm of GRACE." Until you have been on of the other side, -you don't know what freedom really means!What about people who have been? Even some atheists become believers. Add this line... "...My freedom is Thy grand control."
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Post by SharonArnold on Sept 8, 2015 18:26:12 GMT -5
Until you have been on of the other side, -you don't know what freedom really means! What about people who have been? Even some atheists become believers. Add this line... "...My freedom is Thy grand control."I would tend to agree with this (not an atheist). But, somehow, it seems to me "Thy grand control", really has more to do with surrender to the process of life and to letting go... It most definitely is NOT some proxy saying "You must do thus and such".
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Post by emy on Sept 8, 2015 19:32:26 GMT -5
What about people who have been? Even some atheists become believers. Add this line... "...My freedom is Thy grand control."I would tend to agree with this (not an atheist). But, somehow, it seems to me "Thy grand control", really has more to do with surrender to the process of life and to letting go... It most definitely is NOT some proxy saying "You must do thus and such". I may not have the right understanding of what you wrote, but to me 'Thy grand control' means being obedient to the guidance of the Holy Spirit who is our lifeline to God and the Son of God.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 8, 2015 23:05:29 GMT -5
Until you have been on of the other side, -you don't know what freedom really means! What about people who have been? Even some atheists become believers.Add this line... "...My freedom is Thy grand control." Except that most of the people who tell me, rather smugly, -that "they also were once Atheists but now they "believe," -those people have no idea of what atheism really means.
What they actually were before they became Christians was not atheists but rather that they had just not given a god or gods much thought at all!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 23:13:24 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 8, 2015 23:36:43 GMT -5
Please read what I said again. I said, "the people who tell me!"
Never-the-less, the three people in your "List_of_former_atheists," I could find nothing about what the first two believed.
The last one, -Miłosz was raised Catholic in rural Lithuania but "in his youth, Miłosz came to adopt, as he put it, a "scientific, atheistic position mostly", although he was later to return to the Catholic faith"
"Once a Catholic always a Catholic," at least that is what I have heard as the claim of the church.
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