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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 27, 2015 0:26:03 GMT -5
Howitis - re red dresses, red cars - it's like this: either the mockers on this board are in a church today, or they are not. Okay?
IF they are NOT in a church, then well, they have changed, haven't they? Fundamentally, profoundly .... c.h.a.n.g.e.d.
IF they ARE in a church, let's say Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Anglican etc.. then they have changed too. "Back then" EVERYONE thought of red as a social signifier, EVERYBODY thought it was respectful for a man to wear a hat etc. Now look at those churches ---- what is left of them is unrecognizable to what they were prior to the 1960's. Profoundly unrecognizable. More than that - many churches haven't just "changed" but rather, for all intents and purposes, different churches to that of our grandparents day.
And that's why they go on and on about red dresses. It's a manifestation of envy. What are you talking about? Where I came from lots of women wore red coats to meetings for years. Maybe everyone was envious they didn't live where I did.
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Post by howitis on Aug 27, 2015 0:26:09 GMT -5
Oh dear bob you and bert should get together a build a website
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Post by fred on Aug 27, 2015 2:09:07 GMT -5
With perfidious misuse of scripture my Mother used to tell us, "never let the right hand know what the left hand is doing." It's a shame really when you feel you can't confide in a person because you can't trust them with personal information.
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Post by howitis on Aug 27, 2015 3:15:46 GMT -5
Thanks Ross, your perspective is interesting,about the hymn I'm not sure, you probably haven't written similar to Chris Tomlin who skips that verse entirely in that hymn (as do many other renderings) and adds another completely different verse....he's still offering praise though isn't he? As for the change it definitely wasn't 1987, my 1951 has the same words......hardly worth splitting hairs over. Cheers
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Post by howitis on Aug 27, 2015 4:58:24 GMT -5
In addition Ross, I think more than one of the Anglican hymn books have used that same wording for 'when I survey'....The Anglican Hymn book of 1868 for one and one of the more recent ones in 2000.......so its hardly original 2x2 stuff is it?
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Post by howitis on Aug 27, 2015 6:12:52 GMT -5
In addition Ross, I think more than one of the Anglican hymn books have used that same wording for 'when I survey'....The Anglican Hymn book of 1868 for one and one of the more recent ones in 2000.......so its hardly original 2x2 stuff is it? I don't know - I've never used an Anglican hymn book. I'd be surprised if you could find a version of the hymn which says "Christ, my Lord..." but happy to be wrong if you have one. Sorry Ross I was looking at the change of 'death' to 'cross' word, which is quite common, the' Christ, my Lord', bit is scriptural though I'm thinking....don't you......thanks for your patience
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Post by blacksheep on Aug 27, 2015 9:05:18 GMT -5
It's coming out when I have the time to finish it. I also need to find the time to get two older sites back up again as I changed Service Provider. It seems pretty obvious where you could save some time each and every day! Priorities, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 10:44:06 GMT -5
Quote - "Bert - if you think that all churches have changed in terms of upholding the Bible you are sadly wrong. I could easily argue that the 2x2 church does not uphold key tenants of the Bible but I won't go there"
I can "go there" ca 1900 churches were against movies ca 1930 churches were against divorce ca 1960 churches were against homosexuality by way of example...
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Post by bitterbetty on Aug 27, 2015 16:30:50 GMT -5
What are some jobs that someone in truth that are considered wrong? Past and present? police attorney women beauticians movie rentals tv repair casinos cigarette stores beer/wine stores movie theatres/cinemas I remember one older sister worker giving us young girls a talk about how being a waitress was unbecoming for a professing girl. Some of the reasons she gave were that when a girl waits on tables she is putting her body on display for whomever to ogle over, etc....Well, it may be true that some people ogle over some waitresses, but the ogling happens anywhere, anytime, regardless, so that rationale went right out the window.
Sometimes, it's more than ogling that happens. My dad taught me how to handle that when I was very young. Won't go into much detail on what he taught, but it was great direction and advice. One of the things he stressed was simply: "Don't let anyone get the best of you." That was also likely handed down from his dad, hard, tough man that he was. But, hey, he lived by what he preached at least. And, frankly, no one ever got the best of him. Did he make a few enemies in his lifetime. Yes, indeed he did and I'm not saying that's commendable. But, it's what he honestly was, take it or leave it. Maybe sister workers need teach young girls how be assertive, rather than just avoid all situations that may make a person feel 'uncomfortable'. How to deal with UNWANTED ATTENTION: key word: unwanted. And besides, do the workers ogle at the waitresses who wait on them at worker's tables at convention? Anyways, deciding what to do as a profession is highly personal and shouldn't be dictated by church leaders or members. If someone has a problem with your chosen profession, well, that's their problem, now isn't it?!? shheesh
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Post by snow on Aug 27, 2015 16:37:08 GMT -5
What are some jobs that someone in truth that are considered wrong? Past and present? police attorney women beauticians movie rentals tv repair casinos cigarette stores beer/wine stores movie theatres/cinemas When I graduated high school, 30 years ago, and was trying to decide what to do, law enforcement was one of my interests along with aviation for which I was considering joining the military. The sister workers in my field told me that I should not go any of those directions because "those are not careers for professing people." However those opinions have changed within the unchanging way. Law enforcement, military and piloting are all approved now....at least in my area. I grew up around horses and I loved horses and riding as fast as I could. What I wanted to do when I grew up was be a jockey. I was tiny enough and my weight was right, but my mom absolutely vetoed it because people bet on horses and that was a sin. I love horse races to this day and do pretty good betting on them when I do, which isn't often. However, because she loved horses and trained them, I was able to do that and she also allowed some barrel racing, stunt riding and jumping. But racing horses as an occupation was not a go.
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Post by snow on Aug 27, 2015 16:40:43 GMT -5
Howitis - re red dresses, red cars - it's like this: either the mockers on this board are in a church today, or they are not. Okay?
IF they are NOT in a church, then well, they have changed, haven't they? Fundamentally, profoundly .... c.h.a.n.g.e.d.
IF they ARE in a church, let's say Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Anglican etc.. then they have changed too. "Back then" EVERYONE thought of red as a social signifier, EVERYBODY thought it was respectful for a man to wear a hat etc. Now look at those churches ---- what is left of them is unrecognizable to what they were prior to the 1960's. Profoundly unrecognizable. More than that - many churches haven't just "changed" but rather, for all intents and purposes, different churches to that of our grandparents day.
And that's why they go on and on about red dresses. It's a manifestation of envy. Envy?
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Post by bitterbetty on Aug 27, 2015 16:42:49 GMT -5
Any profession is what you make of it. And if you as an individual find it not in keeping with being a child of God, that is one thing. It's really nobody's business what you choose to do for an honest living. In my mind, if it's honest, that's more important than what is deemed 'appropriate' in the eyes of the workers. The workers need to concentrate on their own 'profession' and whether or not they are lining up honestly in that regard in the eyes of God.
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Post by bitterbetty on Aug 27, 2015 23:47:07 GMT -5
When I graduated high school, 30 years ago, and was trying to decide what to do, law enforcement was one of my interests along with aviation for which I was considering joining the military. The sister workers in my field told me that I should not go any of those directions because "those are not careers for professing people." However those opinions have changed within the unchanging way. Law enforcement, military and piloting are all approved now....at least in my area. I grew up around horses and I loved horses and riding as fast as I could. What I wanted to do when I grew up was be a jockey. I was tiny enough and my weight was right, but my mom absolutely vetoed it because people bet on horses and that was a sin. I love horse races to this day and do pretty good betting on them when I do, which isn't often. However, because she loved horses and trained them, I was able to do that and she also allowed some barrel racing, stunt riding and jumping. But racing horses as an occupation was not a go. I grew up around horses as far back as I can remember-they are very special animals and working with them effectively takes know-how and knack. "Horse sense".Some are good with horses-they seem to have a gift-I loved working with horses and training them. It's amazing what you can teach a horse to do...loved riding in the rain/running them in the rain. That was a special thrill of ours---
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Post by howitis on Aug 28, 2015 1:13:23 GMT -5
I'm about to buy a new horse, I think they're lovely......sometimes much nicer and more sensitive than humans!!!
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Post by howitis on Aug 28, 2015 2:38:06 GMT -5
All good @ross I have seen it like that in other hymnals and as I said it is closer to the scripture it was taken from, there are a heap that substitute cross for death, I think Isaac Watts version said death, though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 4:10:42 GMT -5
I'm about to buy a new horse, I think they're lovely......sometimes much nicer and more sensitive than humans!!! Don't do it Howitis. We have bumper stickers here in Australia that I can relate to, something along the line of "I would be a millionaire if I didn't have a horse." Our last horse was called "Million dollars" because we reckons that is what she cost us.
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Post by howitis on Aug 28, 2015 4:59:02 GMT -5
Thanks bert, but you can't take a million dollars out of much less than that....but then again if I don't and we get rid of the couple here already......I'll soon have millions!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 7:22:51 GMT -5
professional and collegiate sports...NBA NHL NFL
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Post by bitterbetty on Aug 28, 2015 22:47:38 GMT -5
I'm about to buy a new horse, I think they're lovely......sometimes much nicer and more sensitive than humans!!! Horses and horseback riding can be very therapeutic. Good luck on finding a good horse. Be picky! Horses are sensitive animals indeed...
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Post by howitis on Aug 28, 2015 22:54:49 GMT -5
Thanks bitterbetty, she's beautiful, just had a ride.....WOW!!!!!
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Post by withlove on Aug 29, 2015 1:17:12 GMT -5
Jeweler
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Post by jondough on Aug 29, 2015 1:26:04 GMT -5
problem with horses is you cant just park them when your finished. You have to keep fueling them up whether your driving them or not. . Then of course they leave a nice little love trail you have to shovel out about once a week. They are a beautiful animal though. Use to ride my neighbors as a kid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 3:11:22 GMT -5
Something to appreciate about our modern society.
Your average car has about 100-150 horsepower. That's like having that many horses. Imagine having to round up 150 horses, or even, feeding, watering and vetting that many horses.
You don't even need to round them up and harness them with your car. Think about that next when you hop in your car, turn a key, and off you go.
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Post by howitis on Aug 29, 2015 6:48:22 GMT -5
My son in law uses the horse on the farm. A 100 horse power car can't go places where a one hp horse can. The one I rode today, was quite a lot of horse, measures in at about 16.2 hands yet you could 'turn her on a sixpence, lovely animal!! I think I'm in love.........again!!!
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Post by snow on Aug 29, 2015 11:13:27 GMT -5
Thanks bitterbetty, she's beautiful, just had a ride.....WOW!!!!! What kind howitis?
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Post by snow on Aug 29, 2015 11:15:57 GMT -5
My son in law uses the horse on the farm. A 100 horse power car can't go places where a one hp horse can. The one I rode today, was quite a lot of horse, measures in at about 16.2 hands yet you could 'turn her on a sixpence, lovely animal!! I think I'm in love.........again!!! My barrel racing horse was like that. So agile! Enjoy your new 'love'.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 29, 2015 15:52:53 GMT -5
I know a worker that was a hooker. She was brought up in a 2x2 family, a rather respected 2x2 family.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 29, 2015 15:54:07 GMT -5
Now now Wally. We don't judge "hookers" anymore. It is INAPPROPRIATE to call women by such judgmental language. After all, wasn't Mary one of those ladies too? Jesus didn't judge her?
Let's call them "Professionals" or "Escorts" or "Demimondaine: which refers to a women kept by wealthy "protectors."
This profession was considered wrong in the past by people of our church Wally.
Present attitudes I presume are expected to be more liberal. Girls of a younger and younger age are becoming Demimondaines. You can't fight progress. Why do you label Mary as a hooker?
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