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Post by What Hat on Aug 2, 2015 10:09:05 GMT -5
Has no one read WINGS submission to Royal Commission? Perhaps someone could kindly place it here.Yes "Redback" this is the time of the year (australian magpies are most dangerous birds)swoop and peck. I'll wait for a while,someone may disect, each! of my points in that statement Bert posted (with my permission)But all must read "WINGS"submission to Royal Commission. I would like to read it if you have a link. I've searched the Royal Commission web site without success.
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Post by fixit on Aug 2, 2015 23:51:42 GMT -5
Has no one read WINGS submission to Royal Commission? Perhaps someone could kindly place it here.Yes "Redback" this is the time of the year (australian magpies are most dangerous birds)swoop and peck. I'll wait for a while,someone may disect, each! of my points in that statement Bert posted (with my permission)But all must read "WINGS"submission to Royal Commission. I would like to read it if you have a link. I've searched the Royal Commission web site without success. Here's the link on the Royal Commission Victorian Parliament website: Inquiry into the Handling of Child Abuse by Religious and Other Organisations www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/committees/fcdc/inquiries/57th/Child_Abuse_Inquiry/Submissions/WINGS.pdf
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Aug 3, 2015 1:36:27 GMT -5
That's not the Royal Commission web site.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Aug 3, 2015 2:07:46 GMT -5
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Post by What Hat on Aug 3, 2015 19:59:29 GMT -5
A lot of work has gone into this report. Too bad Australian taxpayers are paying for the same thing twice though. I thought Part D, "Duty of Care to Create Child Safe Organizations" could be very useful to the workers and friends in outlining methods of ensuring the safety of children from sexual perpetrators. In a way, the report makes the workers' job of introducing child-safe guidelines a lot easier. They can just say the government is requiring it, and they are giving to Caesar what is Caesar's. (I mean, to overcome the resistance of those friends who think child-safe guidelines just aren't necessary in their church.) It's also clear from the report that the government is going to make it easier for child abuse victims to sue their church for negligence. Note the word "duty" in the title. It's going to be the duty of every organization, including every church, to take certain steps to keep children safe. Laws are going to be changed. The time for the friends to take action is now if not sooner. Maybe they already are. I would invite anyone reading my post to read section D and indicate which parts might apply to churches, and might apply to the friends. Help do some of the heavy lifting. Here is the link - www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/committees/fcdc/inquiries/57th/Child_Abuse_Inquiry/Report/Part_D.pdf
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Post by magpie on Aug 4, 2015 17:51:54 GMT -5
Jesse,There is both, a Federal Royal Commission,a Victorian State Commission was set up out of what was a frustrating delay for the Federal Government to actually concede the need for every complaint of every State and Territory to be tabled for review.More monies and time extensions have been made as the task ahead is still massive.Do you think many more workers will retire through massive ingrown toe nails or something. As a State elder and his brother(to care for him) did,has the brother returned to the 2x2 ministry,now exBishop dec'? For the sake of those "His little ones",I hope not.
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Post by What Hat on Aug 4, 2015 22:56:37 GMT -5
Jesse,There is both, a Federal Royal Commission,a Victorian State Commission was set up out of what was a frustrating delay for the Federal Government to actually concede the need for every complaint of every State and Territory to be tabled for review.More monies and time extensions have been made as the task ahead is still massive.Do you think many more workers will retire through massive ingrown toe nails or something. As a State elder and his brother(to care for him) did,has the brother returned to the 2x2 ministry,now exBishop dec'? For the sake of those "His little ones",I hope not. I think that Jesse knows that, magpie. Remember, Jesse's the guy that corrected you and fixit's posts about the WINGS submission to the Royal Commission that actually went to the Victorian state Inquiry. BTW, there never was a Victorian Commission. Not only that, but the Royal Commission was announced well after the Victorian Inquiry's work began, so I don't understand your first sentence at all. Why the threatening comments about workers? The great majority of workers, or any other church or religious leaders that have never done anything wrong, have nothing to worry about. The guilty ones have always had a lot to worry about, and that doesn't really change. The primary purpose of the Commission is to enact law and policy changes to protect children, and to make it easier for victims to obtain redress. Who wouldn't support that effort, workers included? See - www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/about-us/terms-of-reference
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Post by magpie on Aug 12, 2015 6:05:37 GMT -5
Me again What Hat, often wonder what hat I wear. Re- Commissions Vic/Federal because of the clear need for a total clean up of such criminal CSA,from the few that were initially looked at in Victoria,the overwelming need arose to take this National. And from Victoria's initial findings more monies and extra time was given to Royal Commission to look at "all","ALL". And "NO" Those organisations and sects that there has ever been a sniff of coverup or EG,send the perpetraters off shore or interstate as Christian Conventions of Victoria have,will get mention. Even a 6 hour summery will get media recognition,the press are waiting,especially after the Chandler/Barry fiascos,especially knowing the friendlies monies were spent to cover up a further 12 Known victims of Barrys,that is a sin and criminal. As often mentioned a SIN is knowing you are doing wrong and a mistake (as workers say as a reason about sex and CSA amongst them)is when you realise in hindsite you have done a wrong.Simple isn't it? Workers for decades have used the line he/she (not the worker)encouraged it,shouldn't the Holy Spirit have given them the strength to stay their urges? Just another example why the demand for celibacy is unatural(suits the unatural)unbiblical,you would have studied 1 Corinthians 9nvs,5/6 & cross referenced wouldn't you ? And of course Ephesians 4,vs,11/12 (better the whole chapter),preacher only ministry,what happens if you need Pastoring or counselling??? Jesus was called a Counsellor by BC/OT prophets,that is part of being Christs wider Family.All those Ephesians gifts and other services given to the church,inc 1 Timothy chapter 3,are now available to us and the crying out. With hope you see the heresy of those trying to prop up a judgemental only way exclusive sect,that seperates itself from the wider christian community by trying to "trash" your friends, lovely christian work colleges,school friends,neighbours,o/seas mission & supporters,street workers and feeders (usually young adults),as only worthy of a lost eternity,true isn't it. Sad sick unbiblical judgement. Just ask,how can those lovely prayerfull,bible reading,3rd world mission supporting people that work in the next office to me be in my 2x2 belief(as I support 2x2s teaching)can only go to hell?If a 2x2 doesnt support that,why are they still bound to such heresy?
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Post by bubbles on Aug 12, 2015 6:43:15 GMT -5
A lot of work has gone into this report. Too bad Australian taxpayers are paying for the same thing twice though. I thought Part D, "Duty of Care to Create Child Safe Organizations" could be very useful to the workers and friends in outlining methods of ensuring the safety of children from sexual perpetrators. In a way, the report makes the workers' job of introducing child-safe guidelines a lot easier. They can just say the government is requiring it, and they are giving to Caesar what is Caesar's. (I mean, to overcome the resistance of those friends who think child-safe guidelines just aren't necessary in their church.) It's also clear from the report that the government is going to make it easier for child abuse victims to sue their church for negligence. Note the word "duty" in the title. It's going to be the duty of every organization, including every church, to take certain steps to keep children safe. Laws are going to be changed. The time for the friends to take action is now if not sooner. Maybe they already are. I would invite anyone reading my post to read section D and indicate which parts might apply to churches, and might apply to the friends. Help do some of the heavy lifting. Here is the link - www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/committees/fcdc/inquiries/57th/Child_Abuse_Inquiry/Report/Part_D.pdfThere are 89 pages. I suggest the 'At glance' would be a good place to start. Sooner or later churches will need to set up procedures and guidelines for children to be kept free from harm . I suggest places of gathering conventions, special meetings. Anywhere where children are exposed. Then there is the what to do when it happens? Incident reports. This report is serious and needs to be taken seriously by the workers. Already there is a track record of CSA which will mean that child protection could become involved. I hope the overseers are already taking the necessary steps to educate staff. It will also mean educating the church of the legal requirements. Who needs a working with childrens check. Which is an ID card. It is more comprehensive than a police check which would more than likely be required as well. Another thing worth considering. Each child is not ever without an adult watching them. Difficult to do. Also CCTV @convention. That doesn't aleiviate the problem of homes which is where a lot happens.
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Post by magpie on Aug 13, 2015 3:36:11 GMT -5
The seriousness of Victorian findings is one reason Federal Gov't has given more time and funding to Royal Commission.Looks like several Bishops will have their chance to make an appearance before the TV cameras.
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Post by bubbles on Aug 14, 2015 0:40:43 GMT -5
The seriousness of Victorian findings is one reason Federal Gov't has given more time and funding to Royal Commission.Looks like several Bishops will have their chance to make an appearance before the TV cameras. Do you think this offence could result in the 2x2s being shut down?
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Post by fred on Aug 14, 2015 2:23:08 GMT -5
The seriousness of Victorian findings is one reason Federal Gov't has given more time and funding to Royal Commission.Looks like several Bishops will have their chance to make an appearance before the TV cameras. Do you think this offence could result in the 2x2s being shut down? No, but it could result in some unwanted attention.
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Post by bubbles on Aug 14, 2015 14:30:35 GMT -5
Do you think this offence could result in the 2x2s being shut down? No, but it could result in some unwanted attention. Recently I flicked onto Dr.Phil. Goes something like this. The adult kids had issues with their mother. One was they accused her of having multiple personalities/voices. Dr. Phil had her accessed by a Pshychiatrist. Mother told Dr. Phil she had constant voices going off in her head even while he was speaking to her. He told the family that she didnt have multiple personalities. She needed help, and counselling but she needed her kids understanding and patience. To help her heal. He said if your mother was diagnosed with brain tumor would you treat her the way you do? No they said. He told them your mother was continually violently raped from aged 8 to 13yrs. Fred with the laws on child protection tightening it wouldnt surprise me if laws are changed regarding public groups like local churches.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 20:52:34 GMT -5
Someone told me there was a DrPhil episode where he addressed the psychology of people who buy goods just for the sake of returning them. I can't find this episode despite searching for it on the web. I know someone who does this - at least one item per week for over twenty years. Anyone recall the episode?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 21:00:04 GMT -5
The seriousness of Victorian findings is one reason Federal Gov't has given more time and funding to Royal Commission.Looks like several Bishops will have their chance to make an appearance before the TV cameras. Do you think this offence could result in the 2x2s being shut down? if they haven't shut the catholics down I doubt they will shut the 2 x 2 down I don't think they shut down warren jeffs congregation over his child marriages...
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