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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 18:32:14 GMT -5
"Magpie" gave these allegations on another thread. They are off-topic (isn't everything we write off topic?) so we agreed to air them here. In Australia there's this Commission into the JW at present. Magpie suggests they have one for us. BTW a "Royal Commission" is the highest order commission a parliament can convene.
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No name,crapp,no property,crapp,only way heresy, csa coverups of unbiblical demanded ministry crapp,excommunications crapp,stopping people to partake at the Lords Table unbiblical judgemental heresy,(it is Gods Table),gossip and slander of questioners and adultry and criminal victims biggest judgement and crapp,etc. Cant wait for our Royal Commission,they are up to the JW's now,getting closer to the secret sect.
I an tired of creating threads which slide off the front page in 24 hours. This one should have a life of its own, sadly. I dispute everything Magpie writes, but you have heard it all before.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 18:39:58 GMT -5
It's nothing new, we have been "slandered by experts," as my mother used to say.
Here's one, courtesy of Jesse, going back to 1912.Literally the last word in freak religion, filling their converts with the wildest, maddest fits of hysteria. Indeed so great has been the excitement that nearly 40 overseers of the neighbouring parishes have thought it advisable to issue a signed statement warning the country people against ‘the tramp preachers,’ while a number of ministers of various denominations have also signed a similar caution. ‘Midnight meetings,’ mysterious midnight meetings, have been held in a large portable tent, to which all but the faithful are denied. After singing strange hymns, the brethren and sisters abandon themselves to a species of religious hysteria. Strong cries of ecstacy are succeeded by fits of what appears to the impartial to be madness, while the Cooneyites roll on the ground with dismal shrieks and groans.On this note the term "Cooneyites" is a way of identifying us with the very worst of behavior - a bit like calling us Irvinites.
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Post by howitis on Jul 27, 2015 18:43:07 GMT -5
So Bert what is it really you want posted here just to keep it 'on topic'?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 18:47:34 GMT -5
So Bert what is it really you want posted here just to keep it 'on topic'? Magpie brought all this up. It's here for comment....
BTW nothing stays on topic.
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Post by howitis on Jul 27, 2015 18:50:10 GMT -5
Love you too!!!!
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Post by fixit on Jul 27, 2015 18:52:47 GMT -5
Not all allegations will be true.
That's life - get used to it.
Those allegations that are true, any practises and behaviours that don't line up with the Christ of the Bible, we'd better take seriously.
Where there's a problem...fix it!
Where there's not a problem...don't whine about unfounded allegations!
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Post by slowtosee on Jul 27, 2015 19:11:11 GMT -5
The picture shows it is published by Bert Publishers, so up to Bert to defend it? I don't agree with it at all, and have not noticed anyone agreeing with it here, so just nonsense, I guess. Am I still on topic? Alvin. Correction. -. Bert Printers. I have heard Mr Cooney was more of a gentleman than Irvine. One person who emigrated to Canada here, professed under Cooney, then joined Irvine, and he had a lot of respect and appreciation of Edward Cooney, even though he now professed with the irvinites. Alvin
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Post by xna on Jul 27, 2015 19:17:26 GMT -5
It's all made up out of whole cloth! I spoke to the original farmer and his wife when that painting was first exposed. They said it was fake and showed me the original as it was in the beginning (2nd photo).
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Post by slowtosee on Jul 27, 2015 19:23:56 GMT -5
...from The shores of gallilee beginning ?..... that farmer is not the original....hes a finder....not a founder....... there were always farmers......This guy is a fraud and got big in himself and went wtong.....around here they call them BTO - big time operators....Alvin
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 19:35:10 GMT -5
Off topic already, and I don't mind There's something wonderfully organic about this board.
I just found this on my hard drive. Don't know who wrote it - but it's good.
Do you know what it is you are defending MC ??
Not incorporated. We are as incorporated as the first church was when the term “Christian” was legally imposed by the Romans. The “lie” of incorporation lies in interpretation: they were incorporated for legal reasons; they are not incorporated by doctrine. There is a serious and deliberate misreading of this issue.
As a good worker, Paul dealt with money. He had to. He never took a wage, and gave up everything for Christ’s ministry.
We don’t look to workers for example. We look to Christ. The gospel brings us Christ – ALL are expected to be examples.
You noted what you claim are examples of worker’s failures. I can give examples of many successes that other ministries cannot do.
This question, “DO you support this ministry YES or No” is very important. It was asked in the scripture, and Quote, Dale Shultz “it does remain the right thing to respect the decision because of where it has come from and to work with it no matter what our own thoughts might be on the subject “. Walter, we are not a democracy. Someone has to make decisions.
Your list of workers who left. Walter, preachers left in the OT and the NT.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 27, 2015 22:56:01 GMT -5
"Magpie" gave these allegations on another thread. They are off-topic (isn't everything we write off topic?) so we agreed to air them here. In Australia there's this Commission into the JW at present. Magpie suggests they have one for us. BTW a "Royal Commission" is the highest order commission a parliament can convene.
To quote Magpie:No name,crapp,no property,crapp,only way heresy, csa coverups of unbiblical demanded ministry crapp,excommunications crapp,stopping people to partake at the Lords Table unbiblical judgemental heresy,(it is Gods Table),gossip and slander of questioners and adultry and criminal victims biggest judgement and crapp,etc. Cant wait for our Royal Commission,they are up to the JW's now,getting closer to the secret sect. I an tired of creating threads which slide off the front page in 24 hours. This one should have a life of its own, sadly. I dispute everything Magpie writes, but you have heard it all before. Bert do you dispute everything Magpie writes ?
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Post by blacksheep on Jul 28, 2015 12:52:07 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Jul 28, 2015 16:52:06 GMT -5
One for HBerry... Oh my! What a cute kitten! Thanks fixit!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 18:15:47 GMT -5
Magpie, have you been asked to appear at the Royal Commission.
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Post by SharonArnold on Jul 28, 2015 21:33:44 GMT -5
In Australia there's this Commission into the JW at present. Magpie suggests they have one for us. BTW a "Royal Commission" is the highest order commission a parliament can convene.
Well, do they have one for "you" i.e., your church, or do they not? That should be a pretty simple question to answer, that does not need to come under the heading of "allegations".
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Post by hberry on Jul 29, 2015 0:26:39 GMT -5
One for HBerry... I can't get the link to work....and if it is cat related, I really need to see it!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 1:18:07 GMT -5
Magpie, have you been asked to appear at the Royal Commission. flown away
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 1:44:44 GMT -5
No, nesting time Virgo. You have to be careful, as they get a bit vicious, swoop and can give you a nasty peck.
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Post by fixit on Jul 29, 2015 4:17:46 GMT -5
This one's more placid....
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Post by snow on Jul 29, 2015 18:09:56 GMT -5
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Post by hberry on Jul 29, 2015 18:31:38 GMT -5
Off topic are the best! That is so cute; thanks for sharing. How amazing.
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Post by magpie on Jul 29, 2015 18:41:49 GMT -5
Has no one read WINGS submission to Royal Commission? Perhaps someone could kindly place it here.Yes "Redback" this is the time of the year (australian magpies are most dangerous birds)swoop and peck. I'll wait for a while,someone may disect, each! of my points in that statement Bert posted (with my permission)But all must read "WINGS"submission to Royal Commission.
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Post by magpie on Jul 30, 2015 0:08:43 GMT -5
Good to know that you are still studying the Royal Commission submission by the silence. Before you come back go on and read "Christian Conventions of Victoria".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 10:21:42 GMT -5
Good to know that you are still studying the Royal Commission submission by the silence. Before you come back go on and read "Christian Conventions of Victoria". Sir, any truthful submission about this topic to them or exposure anywhere cannot be anything but "helpful" in my opinion. Thank YOU for your effort.
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Post by magpie on Aug 1, 2015 18:10:54 GMT -5
Dennis,thanks. But I am sitting back now and watching so many shoot themselves in the foot. Knowing that the millions of $$s spent on researchers for the various submissions read every entry to WF&eX,TTT,this and other relevent boards. Interesting?.
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Post by What Hat on Aug 2, 2015 8:17:36 GMT -5
"Magpie" gave these allegations on another thread. They are off-topic (isn't everything we write off topic?) so we agreed to air them here. In Australia there's this Commission into the JW at present. Magpie suggests they have one for us. BTW a "Royal Commission" is the highest order commission a parliament can convene.
To quote Magpie:No name,crapp,no property,crapp,only way heresy, csa coverups of unbiblical demanded ministry crapp,excommunications crapp,stopping people to partake at the Lords Table unbiblical judgemental heresy,(it is Gods Table),gossip and slander of questioners and adultry and criminal victims biggest judgement and crapp,etc. Cant wait for our Royal Commission,they are up to the JW's now,getting closer to the secret sect. I an tired of creating threads which slide off the front page in 24 hours. This one should have a life of its own, sadly. I dispute everything Magpie writes, but you have heard it all before. A Royal Commission in Australia into the friends is not in the cards at present. First of all, the facts are not correct. There is no Royal Commission into Jehovah's Witnesses. The last few days press reports have been about Case Study #29 of the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. The commission has made 30 special case studies around Australia - here is the complete list: www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/public-hearings/case-studiesI didn't see anything resembling the friends on that list, but as far as the commission is concerned I don't believe it matters. Looking through the list, one can see that the Commission has examined a very wide range of type of institutions, religious and otherwise, on which to make its recommendations.
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Post by Mary on Aug 2, 2015 8:32:27 GMT -5
Case study 29. JWs in Sydney. Magpie didn't say there was anything on the 2x2s but just that it was getting closer.
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Post by What Hat on Aug 2, 2015 9:40:57 GMT -5
Case study 29. JWs in Sydney. Magpie didn't say there was anything on the 2x2s but just that it was getting closer. There's no reason to think that "it" is getting closer, whatever "it" is. While the two or three days on the JWs are making headlines in Australia, the inadequacies found within the Jehovah's Witness organisation are symptomatic of every social organisation which puts its own reputation ahead of victim's needs. The JWs are by no means the worst example, and in fact, some experts have praised the measures the JWs have taken in recent decades. That doesn't make for newspaper headlines. It seems doubtful that they'll be found to have done anything illegal on a systematic basis, even though some of their hearing practices are horrendous from the victim's perspective. I suspect that the main finding of the Commission is that the government response to CSA has been inadequate across the board. Even at the present time mandatory reporting laws are a confusing quagmire and have only lately even been enacted. aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/mandatory-reporting-child-abuse-and-neglectThe big open legal question is the one of the vicarious liability that a church bears in the question of child sexual abuse. It would be impossible to predict what impact the Royal Commission would have on this issue, and even more difficult in the complex case of the friends. Here's an interesting paper on the issue. If nothing else, indicates how complex the legalities around CSA and churches are. works.bepress.com/neil_foster/92/
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