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Post by snow on Jun 21, 2015 17:51:11 GMT -5
You're right I don't know what you mean. You said it was God's will that you suffer and so what else would anyone think about that statement? I really don't think that Christ in our hearts is the answer but people understanding that the harm we do to others also harms us at some level. I think that we have really no concept about how something we do or say can have huge implications down the line. We tend to see ourselves as an island not really impacting the world around us. But I see what we do and say as having the possibility to have a domino effect. An example of what I mean is this: Say you walk into a store and ream out the clerk because you're in a crappy mood and she did something that you considered wrong. This changes her outlook on her day and it may effect the next person she deals with who may be having a very awful day to start with. That person may have been considering committing suicide and the clerk being awful to them decided it for them. They take their life. Now an opposite scenerio. You walk into a store and make that clerks day by commenting on something that makes her day. The next person she meets she is happy and pleasant with and maybe even tries to make that person's day. That person is the same person in the above example but the outcome of having a pleasant and caring experience vs. an unpleasant one may just change the final outcome and they don't take their life. I recognize this is very arbitrary, but it is an example of what can happen, and it can be even further reaching in some cases. One never knows how far a positive comment or a negative comment can go in the world. I don't see that as having Christ in my life, but a sincere caring and love for those around me and caring about the world I live in. I don't need to please a God I need to love and be compassionate because of the impact it makes on the world I live in. That's more how I see things. Well now I've explained what I mean. Also, I see where your coming from, but, we have an awful lot in our hearts that is wrong and we don't realise it. We sin all the time. I know because I've lived it. I know what I was like before and after I let Christ into my heart. I was blinded to my sins. I feel so much better now and so much more at peace. I look at people in a different way. I care so much more. I am a totally different person, but I still have a long way to go! The difference is you give credit to someone other than yourself at the changes you see in yourself. It doesn't matter anyway, how we come to be a more caring compassionate and loving person. It's the fact that we get there, that's what really matters in the big picture and I totally can see that your picture brings you peace and that's what really matters imo. I look to myself to make the changes and be responsible to others and myself and you look to Christ to help you make the changes. End result is the same so it's all good. As I've said before I am happy that your way is best for you and my way is best for me. That's what is so great about this world, there is something for everyone.
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Post by snow on Jun 21, 2015 17:53:12 GMT -5
Maryhig and snow, is there any possibility that you both are expressing the same feelings and the same beliefs but each is using a different vocabulary to express those feelings? As an observer of your conversation, I see more fundamental similarity than difference in your respective points of view. I would be okay with that, but I have a feeling Maryhig wouldn't want to let go of it being Christ in her life. I'm open to what ever works to improve ourselves as humans and if the Christ belief and vocabulary works, more power to it!
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Post by maryhig on Jun 21, 2015 19:05:57 GMT -5
Maryhig and snow, is there any possibility that you both are expressing the same feelings and the same beliefs but each is using a different vocabulary to express those feelings? As an observer of your conversation, I see more fundamental similarity than difference in your respective points of view. I would be okay with that, but I have a feeling Maryhig wouldn't want to let go of it being Christ in her life. I'm open to what ever works to improve ourselves as humans and if the Christ belief and vocabulary works, more power to it! No I wouldn't let go of Christ or God. But one thing I can say is for today anyway, my heart is at complete peace. Even though it sounds bad when I say about suffering. It's been suffering in a good way and has brought me so much peace in my heart it is unbelievable. And God has filled my heart with love, and I care about everyone, whereas before I would have most likely looked at peoples faults and been judgemental now I have compassion because I know what my heart has been like. And I'm no better than anyone at all!
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 21, 2015 19:41:24 GMT -5
Seems Jesse, Virgo & Bert have little to say about this letter, other than Bert with his obsession with asking "who gave you permission to post this" ! Maybe they are quiet because again this sermon proves what the Ex's say, but Jesse, Virgo & Bert have tried to say things have either changed or we don't understand.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 19:46:20 GMT -5
Seems Jesse, Virgo & Bert have little to say about this letter, other than Bert with his obsession with asking "who gave you permission to post this" ! Maybe they are quiet because again this sermon proves what the Ex's say, but Jesse, Virgo & Bert have tried to say things have either changed or we don't understand. Roslyn I didn't read past the first few words. If I see this stuff on the internet I tend not to read it because it's not only not authorized but it was chosen for publication to promote a particular point of view. TONS and REAMS of sermons which invalidate the stereotypes and outright lies of former members aren't published.
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[quote author=" bert" TONS and REAMS of sermons which invalidate the stereotypes and outright lies of former members aren't published. [/b][/quote] Don't understand this sentence, can somebody please explain.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 21:23:05 GMT -5
[quote author=" bert" TONS and REAMS of sermons which invalidate the stereotypes and outright lies of former members aren't published. [/b][/quote] Don't understand this sentence, can somebody please explain.[/quote] Ok, one small example: A common accusation is that Workers 1 - preach themselves 2 - preach salvation through works instead of grace.
Now there's not many sermons to back that up. The only way around this conundrum is to trawl through hundreds of sermons, and quote a few things out of context. (A bit like how many do to the bible, actually.) If you were to put all those sermons on-line for everyone to make up their own mind then clearly they aren't going to reach those two conclusions by themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 21:35:58 GMT -5
Thanks Bert, I still don't get it. I am not an academic, just a stupid old man. In your original post are you saying that 2x2's are stereotypes, and ex's are harbitual liers.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 21, 2015 21:50:59 GMT -5
[quote author=" bert" TONS and REAMS of sermons which invalidate the stereotypes and outright lies of former members aren't published. [/b][/quote] Don't understand this sentence, can somebody please explain.[/quote] Ok, one small example: A common accusation is that Workers 1 - preach themselves 2 - preach salvation through works instead of grace.
Now there's not many sermons to back that up. The only way around this conundrum is to trawl through hundreds of sermons, and quote a few things out of context. (A bit like how many do to the bible, actually.) If you were to put all those sermons on-line for everyone to make up their own mind then clearly they aren't going to reach those two conclusions by themselves.[/quote] Bert, what do you mean not many sermons to back up that the workers preach themselves ? You only have to sit in a mission or convention to hear that !
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Post by findingtruth on Jun 21, 2015 22:46:13 GMT -5
I would be okay with that, but I have a feeling Maryhig wouldn't want to let go of it being Christ in her life. I'm open to what ever works to improve ourselves as humans and if the Christ belief and vocabulary works, more power to it! No I wouldn't let go of Christ or God. But one thing I can say is for today anyway, my heart is at complete peace. Even though it sounds bad when I say about suffering. It's been suffering in a good way and has brought me so much peace in my heart it is unbelievable. And God has filled my heart with love, and I care about everyone, whereas before I would have most likely looked at peoples faults and been judgemental now I have compassion because I know what my heart has been like. And I'm no better than anyone at all! I'm not certain how to express my thoughts on your comments, maryhig. I'll do my best. I've watched various comments not only on this thread but other threads regarding "suffering" and I see things a bit differently. But my point of view is not better than another's. We're all unique in our experiences....right? IF we have truly been "transformed" by the life of Christ within us, there should be no more internal struggle to "be right". Would it not be quite natural to love purely and unconditionally? It would be quite natural to live with inner peace. There would be absolutely NO fear of being deceived by Satan because we'd have confidence in the one who lives within us. Our responses would naturally be controlled by what we have become. Is it possible that negative people around us may no longer bring grief? It's when we refuse to be transformed and continue to fight against what we label as "our human nature" that the struggle brings suffering! It's what constantly shoves our sinful nature in front of our face, reminding us of how weak and sinful we are. Those who have followed my posts understand that I've come to see things differently than I used to. I am not atheist but I can appreciate the fact that they recognize religion never has and never will make good people. I'm not even certain that we have to be transformed so much as we have to be brought around and back to the very nature that we were born with. I believe we were ALL born with a pure nature despite what we've been conditioned to believe. I believe it's that negative influences around us that have caused us to forget what our most basic nature is. Seems that atheists may be trying to suggest our dependence on religion to "make us good people" instead of coming to recognize and love our basic pure and loving nature. Have our viewpoints been conditioned by fear or by love?
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Post by emy on Jun 21, 2015 23:24:48 GMT -5
I think what Bert is trying to say is that if all the sermons, messages and letters of workers were compiled and published, it would take a great deal of searching to find them preaching the ministry. How many sermons on "the ministry" have been published on the websites and in books? Like Bert, I think if workers' words were taken as a whole, the conclusion would be different. Especially if they were not out of context. It's not hard to find some 'sermons' to support your view when there has already been editing of the whole and possibly editing of individual sermons/letters.
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Post by maryhig on Jun 21, 2015 23:53:34 GMT -5
No I wouldn't let go of Christ or God. But one thing I can say is for today anyway, my heart is at complete peace. Even though it sounds bad when I say about suffering. It's been suffering in a good way and has brought me so much peace in my heart it is unbelievable. And God has filled my heart with love, and I care about everyone, whereas before I would have most likely looked at peoples faults and been judgemental now I have compassion because I know what my heart has been like. And I'm no better than anyone at all! I'm not certain how to express my thoughts on your comments, maryhig. I'll do my best. I've watched various comments not only on this thread but other threads regarding "suffering" and I see things a bit differently. But my point of view is not better than another's. We're all unique in our experiences....right? IF we have truly been "transformed" by the life of Christ within us, there should be no more internal struggle to "be right". Would it not be quite natural to love purely and unconditionally? It would be quite natural to live with inner peace. There would be absolutely NO fear of being deceived by Satan because we'd have confidence in the one who lives within us. Our responses would naturally be controlled by what we have become. Is it possible that negative people around us may no longer bring grief? It's when we refuse to be transformed and continue to fight against what we label as "our human nature" that the struggle brings suffering! It's what constantly shoves our sinful nature in front of our face, reminding us of how weak and sinful we are. Those who have followed my posts understand that I've come to see things differently than I used to. I am not atheist but I can appreciate the fact that they recognize religion never has and never will make good people. I'm not even certain that we have to be transformed so much as we have to be brought around and back to the very nature that we were born with. I believe we were ALL born with a pure nature despite what we've been conditioned to believe. I believe it's that negative influences around us that have caused us to forget what our most basic nature is. Seems that atheists may be trying to suggest our dependence on religion to "make us good people" instead of coming to recognize and love our basic pure and loving nature. Have our viewpoints been conditioned by fear or by love? Hiya! I also believe we're born innocent, but we are born into sinful flesh. I was looking at my grandson yesterday he's one yr old, and I told him "no" quite sternly because he was about to get hurt and he got upset. But straight away he forgot and threw his arms around me when I picked him up. And I thought children when young are very forgiving. And God wants us innocent like that. If we have a fall, or someone hurts us then quickly forgive and forget and don't hold it like we do. That's why God wants us to become like little children, because our hearts should be innocent. Now as for the suffering, I dont drive, and the day before yesterday I was watching my husband driving and everything just flowed naturally. And I said that I wished I could do drive that easily, but when I try, I find it hard. He told me, that its hard at first, but when you've got it right, you do it without even thinking about it. Just like I can type, he said you type without even looking where your fingers are going next yet you do it with ease. But I would struggle. And I saw this in God. At first its hard, and we start having a conscience and the spirit is warring against the flesh and at first we find this contrary to our will but as we keep fighting it gets easier. Until in the end we don't even think about the things we were doing wrong, and it comes natural not to do them and we are free! We are then guided by the spirit. But at first its hard, like giving birth to a child. It's painful and we suffer, but once the child is born, we forget all that pain and we're just glad to see the child. This is like the new birth. At first we fight, but once the we are guided by the spirit and not the flesh then this is being born again. And we become a new person with Christ living through us. When we see understanding and wisdom in the hearts of someone young in God it's like hearing the first cry of the living child just born. And its amazing to see the birth. And you know it's real, because you've been through it, and you know what you are hearing that it is real and from God! And you rejoice with them. But it's not just the giving up and then it's all easy after that, we still have Satan with us. Tempting us and trying to deceive us. Trying to pull is back into what we have left behind. Making our life hard, tempting us with what we enjoyed through others, putting wrong thoughts in our mind, and this happens daily, and will happen until the day we die, but Jesus has overcome the world and Christ in the heart can give us the strength to overcome too, if we keep our faith in God! It's very hard to explain what I mean in writing, but I hope I have written it so you can understand me, thanks for taking the time to read it
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 22, 2015 0:03:22 GMT -5
I think what Bert is trying to say is that if all the sermons, messages and letters of workers were compiled and published, it would take a great deal of searching to find them preaching the ministry. How many sermons on "the ministry" have been published on the websites and in books? Like Bert, I think if workers' words were taken as a whole, the conclusion would be different. Especially if they were not out of context. It's not hard to find some 'sermons' to support your view when there has already been editing of the whole and possibly editing of individual sermons/letters. Emy what do you hear when you sit in convention ? So are you saying the sermons I have posted about have all been edited ?
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Quote - "Bert, what do you mean not many sermons to back up that the workers preach themselves ? You only have to sit in a mission or convention to hear that !"
Roslyn you just confirmed my point. I am not reading any sermon "selected" for the internet.
Where did you GET those sermons? Did you ask yourself how many sermons are preached daily by the Workers, and why they aren't on this site?
Yesterday I heard a lovely sermon about the Woman of Samaria - so simply, so plain, without adornment, without "charisma", just the story of a woman who encountered Jesus and the effect that had upon her and her townsfolk. If I wrote down that sermon it would never be on the TMB or TTT or any other site. Why? Because it only about Jesus, and Jesus sermons don't promote causes or advance opinions. And that's a "FACT."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 0:37:41 GMT -5
I think what Bert is trying to say is that if all the sermons, messages and letters of workers were compiled and published, it would take a great deal of searching to find them preaching the ministry. How many sermons on "the ministry" have been published on the websites and in books? Like Bert, I think if workers' words were taken as a whole, the conclusion would be different. Especially if they were not out of context. It's not hard to find some 'sermons' to support your view when there has already been editing of the whole and possibly editing of individual sermons/letters. Emy, what you say makes sense. Same thing applies to the Bible. People take verses out of context, and build a belief system around it. That is why we have so many Churches.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 0:46:08 GMT -5
[quote author=" bert" TONS and REAMS of sermons which invalidate the stereotypes and outright lies of former members aren't published. [/b][/quote] Bert still want to know, 1. Who are the stereotypes. 2. Who are the liers. Please, please, please, would love to know.
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Seems Jesse, Virgo & Bert have little to say about this letter, other than Bert with his obsession with asking "who gave you permission to post this" ! Maybe they are quiet because again this sermon proves what the Ex's say, but Jesse, Virgo & Bert have tried to say things have either changed or we don't understand. can't be bothered with the endless questions
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I think what Bert is trying to say is that if all the sermons, messages and letters of workers were compiled and published, it would take a great deal of searching to find them preaching the ministry. How many sermons on "the ministry" have been published on the websites and in books? Like Bert, I think if workers' words were taken as a whole, the conclusion would be different. Especially if they were not out of context. It's not hard to find some 'sermons' to support your view when there has already been editing of the whole and possibly editing of individual sermons/letters. it's very easy to take them out of context, one really needs to have been there and heard the message and to have received God blessing [increase]
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 1:05:52 GMT -5
What are the stereotypes? Good grief Redback!!!!!
Don't you know? Here's a few, just for the professing women folk:
Professing women hold prurient attitudes towards culture Wouldn’t shave under their arms without asking the workers permission first. Are stoutly buried beneath the ministry. Think that the more meetings and conventions they go to the more is their righteousness and their respectability as friends. Talk about Workers instead of the bible. Don't care what's in your heart, as long as you show up in meetings, in a dress, with a bun and a testimony. Are legalistic, rule bound, critical, condescending, exclusive, self righteous, guilting and pressuring, two faced, inconsistent and pretending to be like Jesus. Disturb anyone's psyche by erroneous biblical teachings. Suffer from mind numbness and spiritual poverty as their lives center around hairdos. Steer clear of scriptural discussions as they are out of their depth. Instilled with false guilt because of the professing woman's uniform. Have a stunted perception of the world around them because of a lack of awareness, Live in a "professing club med" environment that is ingrained or even born into them Thinking is too often warped by fear, the kind the devil would like us to have. Teach their kids from an early age that shaking hands after meeting shows others how 'Godly' they are. Wouldn't stop to help like the Samaritan did -- it would make them late for gospel meeting. Hide TV’s from the Workers tear families apart. Join the church for its society Develop poor social skills. Have sacrificed priceless quantities of love and joy to bitter rules. Go to meetings to approve themselves Indoctrinate their children as early as possible. Are spiritually lazy, emotionally weak and easily manipulated. Preach themselves. Are often hypocritical both in word and deed. Are really unhappy and incomplete. Are seeking for something more but would never admit this. Have a subtle, intellectual dishonesty about themselves. Are noted for their spreading of misinformation about others to blacken or discredit those who come against them. Feel uneasy around outsiders because they are secretly jealous and envious of their freedoms. They live on feelings, experiences, and appearances, rather than doctrine. Can't handle too much mental stimulation at one time. Parade around with their nose up in the air. Look masculine. Suffer from personality destruction. They are never allowed to be who they really are. Make children act invisible and useless. Aren't allowed to talk about how they feel. Suffer from not knowing how the real world works. Suffer for not taking responsibility for their own choices because they have never had their own choice. Suffer from sexual confusion: women are made to feel unfeminine Suffer separation from God and from a load of guilt. Suffer from a feeling of having wasted their lives. Aren't allowed to cross legs in meeting Turn their watches upside down. Have dress codes and hairstyles to verify they are righteous. Older women won't wear wedding bands Want to dress like sister Workers. Are afraid to examine or question what the Workers say or do. Erect a mental block between themselves and anyone who does not look professing. Are stuck in the 1800's Feel spiritually superior to everyone in the world after a two minute meeting statement. Oppose mixed bathing. No regard for morality when it comes to defending their religious sect Unable to see their detrimental and counter-productive effects. They suffer for not understanding the Bible. Their supermarket shopping baskets tells you about their real lives Call the older single girls lesbian. Whip their kids at home Approach death with fear They conveniently forget the story of Jesus turning water into wine because they don’t believe in alcohol. They are uncomfortable with anyone that might just be normal Don’t wash people’s feet Their husbands have pornography addictions They have death in their faces Often put themselves down as unworthy and unlovable Professing lady stepped over her husband's body (not professing) to go to Sunday meeting. The women aren’t allowed pants, makeup, jewellery or short hair, but use the service of the local hospital where nurses have short hair, pants, jewellery, makeup and even tattoos. Don’t have a clue what their children go through at school Don't want to associate with weak saints who might contaminate their faith. They associate with people they feel safe associating without the fear of punishment from the workers. Send money for animals but not humans. Think nothing of their husbands carrying bibles and hymn books in handbags. Gospel meetings help pass time for those who don't have entertainment in their home. Lack parenting skills. They can’t answer questions They have an answer for everything.
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I think what Bert is trying to say is that if all the sermons, messages and letters of workers were compiled and published, it would take a great deal of searching to find them preaching the ministry. How many sermons on "the ministry" have been published on the websites and in books? Like Bert, I think if workers' words were taken as a whole, the conclusion would be different. Especially if they were not out of context. It's not hard to find some 'sermons' to support your view when there has already been editing of the whole and possibly editing of individual sermons/letters. Emy, what you say makes sense. Same thing applies to the Bible. People take verses out of context, and build a belief system around it. That is why we have so many Churches. unless God adds His Spirit to what we read in the Bible it is meaningless
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What are the stereotypes? Good grief Redback!!!!!
Don't you know? Here's a few, just for the professing women folk:
Professing women hold prurient attitudes towards culture Wouldn’t shave under their arms without asking the workers permission first. Are stoutly buried beneath the ministry. Think that the more meetings and conventions they go to the more is their righteousness and their respectability as friends. Talk about Workers instead of the bible. Don't care what's in your heart, as long as you show up in meetings, in a dress, with a bun and a testimony. Are legalistic, rule bound, critical, condescending, exclusive, self righteous, guilting and pressuring, two faced, inconsistent and pretending to be like Jesus. Disturb anyone's psyche by erroneous biblical teachings. Suffer from mind numbness and spiritual poverty as their lives center around hairdos. Steer clear of scriptural discussions as they are out of their depth. Instilled with false guilt because of the professing woman's uniform. Have a stunted perception of the world around them because of a lack of awareness, Live in a "professing club med" environment that is ingrained or even born into them Thinking is too often warped by fear, the kind the devil would like us to have. Teach their kids from an early age that shaking hands after meeting shows others how 'Godly' they are. Wouldn't stop to help like the Samaritan did -- it would make them late for gospel meeting. Hide TV’s from the Workers tear families apart. Join the church for its society Develop poor social skills. Have sacrificed priceless quantities of love and joy to bitter rules. Go to meetings to approve themselves Indoctrinate their children as early as possible. Are spiritually lazy, emotionally weak and easily manipulated. Preach themselves. Are often hypocritical both in word and deed. Are really unhappy and incomplete. Are seeking for something more but would never admit this. Have a subtle, intellectual dishonesty about themselves. Are noted for their spreading of misinformation about others to blacken or discredit those who come against them. Feel uneasy around outsiders because they are secretly jealous and envious of their freedoms. They live on feelings, experiences, and appearances, rather than doctrine. Can't handle too much mental stimulation at one time. Parade around with their nose up in the air. Look masculine. Suffer from personality destruction. They are never allowed to be who they really are. Make children act invisible and useless. Aren't allowed to talk about how they feel. Suffer from not knowing how the real world works. Suffer for not taking responsibility for their own choices because they have never had their own choice. Suffer from sexual confusion: women are made to feel unfeminine Suffer separation from God and from a load of guilt. Suffer from a feeling of having wasted their lives. Aren't allowed to cross legs in meeting Turn their watches upside down. Have dress codes and hairstyles to verify they are righteous. Older women won't wear wedding bands Want to dress like sister Workers. Are afraid to examine or question what the Workers say or do. Erect a mental block between themselves and anyone who does not look professing. Are stuck in the 1800's Feel spiritually superior to everyone in the world after a two minute meeting statement. Oppose mixed bathing. No regard for morality when it comes to defending their religious sect Unable to see their detrimental and counter-productive effects. They suffer for not understanding the Bible. Their supermarket shopping baskets tells you about their real lives Call the older single girls lesbian. Whip their kids at home Approach death with fear They conveniently forget the story of Jesus turning water into wine because they don’t believe in alcohol. They are uncomfortable with anyone that might just be normal Don’t wash people’s feet Their husbands have pornography addictions They have death in their faces Often put themselves down as unworthy and unlovable Professing lady stepped over her husband's body (not professing) to go to Sunday meeting. The women aren’t allowed pants, makeup, jewellery or short hair, but use the service of the local hospital where nurses have short hair, pants, jewellery, makeup and even tattoos. Don’t have a clue what their children go through at school Don't want to associate with weak saints who might contaminate their faith. They associate with people they feel safe associating without the fear of punishment from the workers. Send money for animals but not humans. Think nothing of their husbands carrying bibles and hymn books in handbags. Gospel meetings help pass time for those who don't have entertainment in their home. Lack parenting skills. They can’t answer questions They have an answer for everything.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 22, 2015 1:32:56 GMT -5
Quote - "Bert, what do you mean not many sermons to back up that the workers preach themselves ? You only have to sit in a mission or convention to hear that !" Roslyn you just confirmed my point. I am not reading any sermon "selected" for the internet.
Where did you GET those sermons? Did you ask yourself how many sermons are preached daily by the Workers, and why they aren't on this site?
Yesterday I heard a lovely sermon about the Woman of Samaria - so simply, so plain, without adornment, without "charisma", just the story of a woman who encountered Jesus and the effect that had upon her and her townsfolk. If I wrote down that sermon it would never be on the TMB or TTT or any other site. Why? Because it only about Jesus, and Jesus sermons don't promote causes or advance opinions. And that's a "FACT."Bert what is stopping you putting it on TMB then ? Bert you don't have to look very far to find sermons by the workers, I have a pretty good collection of them that are my own also a lot that have been passed down from generations before
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 22, 2015 1:39:15 GMT -5
Emy, what you say makes sense. Same thing applies to the Bible. People take verses out of context, and build a belief system around it. That is why we have so many Churches. unless God adds His Spirit to what we read in the Bible it is meaningless That is true Virgo, unless GOD adds His Spirit to what we read, not the workers but GOD ! Don't you think it is possible for God to speak to someone without the workers being involved?
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