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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 22:27:23 GMT -5
In a democracy they do. According to modern political-theory, consensus offers us the best indication of a norm. In terms of data, numbers indicate patterns and trends, transcendence and order. In a democracy we also have the need to protect the minority from "tyranny of the majority," the term used in discussing systems of democracy. actually the tyranny now comes from the minority over the majority I.E congress, the supreme court, special groups such as homosexuals which are only 7-10% of the population etc....etc...
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 9, 2015 3:49:39 GMT -5
In a democracy we also have the need to protect the minority from "tyranny of the majority," the term used in discussing systems of democracy. actually the tyranny now comes from the minority over the majority I.E congress, the supreme court, special groups such as homosexuals which are only 7-10% of the population etc....etc... Really?
So are you saying that the homosexual minority has declared that you must marry someone of your own gender, wally?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 9, 2015 3:51:06 GMT -5
In my opinion it is the crazy notion that a perfect god created people in HIS image & then needs to save us!
If that is true maybe it is HE that needs the saving,- since HE is supposed to be like us! Well there certainly are a lot of things that God has done that I wouldn't even think of doing. Who would sentence their child to an eternity of torture first off. or hang your "only begotten son" on a cross.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 15:57:06 GMT -5
actually the tyranny now comes from the minority over the majority I.E congress, the supreme court, special groups such as homosexuals which are only 7-10% of the population etc....etc... Really?
So are you saying that the homosexual minority has declared that you must marry someone of your own gender, wally? they've declared that peoples business's must participate in their marriage ceremonies even if the don't want too soon they will declare that preists and pastors must marry them then they will declare that if you speak out against homosexual marriage/activities you will be fined or jailed the tyranny of the minority will then be complete.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 9, 2015 17:53:32 GMT -5
Really?
So are you saying that the homosexual minority has declared that you must marry someone of your own gender, wally? they've declared that peoples business's must participate in their marriage ceremonies even if the don't want too soon they will declare that preists and pastors must marry them then they will declare that if you speak out against homosexual marriage/activities you will be fined or jailed the tyranny of the minority will then be complete.
Who is the "they?" There has been NO, repeat NO declaration that "peoples business's" must participate in their marriage ceremonies even if the don't want to(o) .
(I wish posters would correct their grammar before they post, I have to spend half my time trying to understand what they really mean!)
The rest of the statement is the usual BS, -some people who don't want to see minorities have the same human rights as other people & they have used this erroneous, fallacious, argument in the past against blacks & against women and even against some religions who were seeking the same rights as the W.A.S.P's
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 18:06:37 GMT -5
Good morning Dmmichgood. You need to stop yelling and swearing at people! It's not nice.
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Post by Gene on Jul 9, 2015 19:11:28 GMT -5
Really?
So are you saying that the homosexual minority has declared that you must marry someone of your own gender, wally? they've declared that peoples business's must participate in their marriage ceremonies even if the don't want too soon they will declare that preists and pastors must marry them then they will declare that if you speak out against homosexual marriage/activities you will be fined or jailed the tyranny of the minority will then be complete. You ain't seen nothin' yet, buddy. This whole thing about polygamy being next on us homo's agenda is just a smoke screen. What we're really after is to outlaw heterosexual marriage. If you want to get married, you'll have that right -- but it will have to be someone of the same sex.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 20:11:09 GMT -5
they've declared that peoples business's must participate in their marriage ceremonies even if the don't want too soon they will declare that preists and pastors must marry them then they will declare that if you speak out against homosexual marriage/activities you will be fined or jailed the tyranny of the minority will then be complete.
Who is the "they?" There has been NO, repeat NO declaration that "peoples business's" must participate in their marriage ceremonies even if the don't want to(o) .
(I wish posters would correct their grammar before they post, I have to spend half my time trying to understand what they really mean!)
The rest of the statement is the usual BS, -some people who don't want to see minorities have the same human rights as other people & they have used this erroneous, fallacious, argument in the past against blacks & against women and even against some religions who were seeking the same rights as the W.A.S.P'sright, that's why the bakery in Oregon just got fined 135,000 for not baking a wedding cake for the lesbian wedding ceremony in their area...and yes that is participation in the ceremony...
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 9, 2015 21:01:31 GMT -5
Good morning Dmmichgood. You need to stop yelling and swearing at people! It's not nice. It isn't nice to lie either, Bert, or to pass judgement on people whose shoes you have never walked in.
In your posts you act as if you have all the knowledge & wisdom of the god that you are suppose to believe in & that you can arbitrarily pass judgement on everyone else.
You won't answer the questions posed to you. Yet, you criticize me when I can not longer accept your erroneous judgmental accusations at people whom you are not worthy to even polish their shoes.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 9, 2015 23:34:37 GMT -5
Who is the "they?" There has been NO, repeat NO declaration that "peoples business's" must participate in their marriage ceremonies even if the don't want to(o) .
(I wish posters would correct their grammar before they post, I have to spend half my time trying to understand what they really mean!)
The rest of the statement is the usual BS, -some people who don't want to see minorities have the same human rights as other people & they have used this erroneous, fallacious, argument in the past against blacks & against women and even against some religions who were seeking the same rights as the W.A.S.P's right, that's why the bakery in Oregon just got fined 135,000 for not baking a wedding cake for the lesbian wedding ceremony in their area...and yes that is participation in the ceremony... When is baking a cake "participating in a marriage ceremony?"
Would it be acceptable to you if they refused to bake a cake for two black people, two people in wheel chairs, two older who the bakery deemed to old to get married, or perhaps two people in the religion known as 2x2's or f&w's?
Under Oregon law, businesses cannot discriminate or refuse service based on sexual orientation, just as they cannot turn customers away because of race, sex, disability, age or religion.
The Oregon Equality Act of 2007 includes an exemption for religious organizations and schools, but does not allow private business owners to deny service and unlawfully discriminate against potential customers.
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Post by Lee on Jul 9, 2015 23:46:21 GMT -5
The lesbians could have taken their business elsewhere. The lesbians chose to discriminate against the bakers.
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Post by Lee on Jul 10, 2015 0:20:51 GMT -5
In my opinion it is the crazy notion that a perfect god created people in HIS image & then needs to save us!
If that is true maybe it is HE that needs the saving,- since HE is supposed to be like us! Well there certainly are a lot of things that God has done that I wouldn't even think of doing. Who would sentence their child to an eternity of torture first off. You should construct you own concept of God.
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Post by Lee on Jul 10, 2015 0:23:12 GMT -5
Apart from salvation, all political orders are topsy-turvy, are they not? In my opinion it is the crazy notion that a perfect god created people in HIS image & then needs to save us!
If that is true maybe it is HE that needs the saving,- since HE is supposed to be like us!That deviates from reality. Look at the political field. What candidacy doesn't offer us something to be saved from?
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Post by Lee on Jul 10, 2015 0:26:32 GMT -5
Yeah yeah. It's not easy to be perfect in the flesh. Why not?
If your "god" is suppose to be so perfect in how HE does everything, even in how HE creates people's sexuality, how come HE would create two children born fused at the top of their heads?
Also why create a baby whose digestive tract had a normal mouth at one end a & normal tract in between but no opening at the other end called the anus.
Or do you think that I am lying when I say that I have seen such children?
I also saw a child born that was already old with grey hair & a full set of teeth?
Don't believe me?
Google:
Progeria is an extremely rare genetic disorder wherein symptoms resembling aspects of aging are manifested at a very early age.
And I saw all these in the space of three months.
God's a big dude and we're obviously very small. Sometime if your health permits, go to a particularly dark region in your state and look at the Milky Way through binoculars and tell me we're not peripheral.
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Post by rational on Jul 10, 2015 0:51:36 GMT -5
they've declared that peoples business's must participate in their marriage ceremonies even if the don't want too soon they will declare that preists and pastors must marry them then they will declare that if you speak out against homosexual marriage/activities you will be fined or jailed the tyranny of the minority will then be complete. Great post @wally. A prefect example of the fallacy of the slippery slope.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 10, 2015 4:07:45 GMT -5
The lesbians could have taken their business elsewhere. The lesbians chose to discriminate against the bakers. You never answered my question."Would it be acceptable to you if they refused to bake a cake for two black people, two people in wheel chairs, two older who the bakery deemed to old to get married, or perhaps two people in the religion known as 2x2's or f&w's? "
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 10, 2015 4:21:07 GMT -5
Why not?
If your "god" is suppose to be so perfect in how HE does everything, even in how HE creates people's sexuality, how come HE would create two children born fused at the top of their heads?
Also why create a baby whose digestive tract had a normal mouth at one end a & normal tract in between but no opening at the other end called the anus.
Or do you think that I am lying when I say that I have seen such children?
I also saw a child born that was already old with grey hair & a full set of teeth?
Don't believe me?
Google:
Progeria is an extremely rare genetic disorder wherein symptoms resembling aspects of aging are manifested at a very early age.
And I saw all these in the space of three months.
God's a big dude and we're obviously very small. Sometime if your health permits, go to a particularly dark region in your state and look at the Milky Way through binoculars and tell me we're not peripheral. Stick to the subject. If god makes such mistakes in how he "forms" some of the fetuses that he is so interested in, why could he not also make a mistake in how he forms their sexuality?
If "God is a such big dude and we're obviously very small," Why does HE hold us to such ridiculous standards that we have to follow in spite of HIS mistakes?
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Post by rational on Jul 10, 2015 7:25:36 GMT -5
The lesbians could have taken their business elsewhere. The lesbians chose to discriminate against the bakers. Had the bakers denied them service because they were black would you agree? Or if it were a mixed race couple?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 15:28:22 GMT -5
right, that's why the bakery in Oregon just got fined 135,000 for not baking a wedding cake for the lesbian wedding ceremony in their area...and yes that is participation in the ceremony... When is baking a cake "participating in a marriage ceremony?"
Would it be acceptable to you if they refused to bake a cake for two black people, two people in wheel chairs, two older who the bakery deemed to old to get married, or perhaps two people in the religion known as 2x2's or f&w's?
Under Oregon law, businesses cannot discriminate or refuse service based on sexual orientation, just as they cannot turn customers away because of race, sex, disability, age or religion.
The Oregon Equality Act of 2007 includes an exemption for religious organizations and schools, but does not allow private business owners to deny service and unlawfully discriminate against potential customers.
and there you have it the tyranny of the minority...
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Post by snow on Jul 10, 2015 17:54:23 GMT -5
But Christians are not a minority.
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Post by snow on Jul 10, 2015 17:56:05 GMT -5
Well there certainly are a lot of things that God has done that I wouldn't even think of doing. Who would sentence their child to an eternity of torture first off. You should construct you own concept of God. Is that allowed? The Bible is the book that I'm supposed to get an understanding of God from, isn't it?
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Post by rational on Jul 10, 2015 17:59:22 GMT -5
right, that's why the bakery in Oregon just got fined 135,000 for not baking a wedding cake for the lesbian wedding ceremony in their area...and yes that is participation in the ceremony... And was the company that built the chairs participating in the ceremony? The florist? The people who made the tablecloths? The company that printed the announcements? I think you are really stretching the meaning of participating in the ceremony to try to make your point.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 18:03:37 GMT -5
But Christians are not a minority. not yet...according to some estimations we may see that in our lifetime
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 18:05:45 GMT -5
right, that's why the bakery in Oregon just got fined 135,000 for not baking a wedding cake for the lesbian wedding ceremony in their area...and yes that is participation in the ceremony... And was the company that built the chairs participating in the ceremony? The florist? The people who made the tablecloths? The company that printed the announcements? I think you are really stretching the meaning of participating in the ceremony to try to make your point. if you knowingly provide something for a homosexual marriage that's participating...
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Post by snow on Jul 10, 2015 19:09:28 GMT -5
But Christians are not a minority. not yet...according to some estimations we may see that in our lifetime But right at the moment they are one of the largest religions in the world. So when they try to make those who are not Christian live by Christian rules, they don't do that from a position of a minority.
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Post by rational on Jul 10, 2015 23:28:52 GMT -5
But Christians are not a minority. not yet...according to some estimations we may see that in our lifetime Christians, worldwide, are a minority.
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Post by Lee on Jul 11, 2015 22:40:30 GMT -5
You should construct you own concept of God. Is that allowed? The Bible is the book that I'm supposed to get an understanding of God from, isn't it? Is it insufficiently nuanced for you?
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Post by Lee on Jul 11, 2015 22:43:31 GMT -5
The lesbians could have taken their business elsewhere. The lesbians chose to discriminate against the bakers. Had the bakers denied them service because they were black would you agree? Or if it were a mixed race couple? IMO public expressions of gayness is not a civil right.
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