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Post by snow on Jun 6, 2015 18:21:30 GMT -5
Yes, now that you mention it, I do remember them doing that. I know I wore my watch that way at one time, but I just thought it looked better and didn't have any reason other than that. But I got the idea from them without even thinking about it I guess. Was there a reason for this xna? I think Matisse gave a good explaination. Not sure why checking the time needs to be such a covert operation. Well if you have everyone thinking you're being led by the Holy Spirit in what you're saying it probably contradicts that if you're checking the time. I revised my post after I read Matisse's
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Post by withlove on Jun 6, 2015 18:28:44 GMT -5
I started wearing my watch that way too in meetings and social situations so it's not offensive to the speaker/host...but remember some people had their alarms set to go off at one hour. Pretty clear hint to wrap things up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 21:17:51 GMT -5
my wife has many times worn denim skirts and open toed shoes in meetings and a lot of young professing girls/young ladies wear their hair down here in meetings Now virgo? perhaps.
Not at the times that kittens & whyisitso were talking about?
well i don't live in the past
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 21:19:39 GMT -5
my wife has many times worn denim skirts and open toed shoes in meetings and a lot of young professing girls/young ladies wear their hair down here in meetings I wor sandals to meeting when I was living in Canada .... Probably offended a whole bunch of people cause I didn't know their rules. In Queensland you just wouldn't wear closed in shoes year round. It's too hot. The stockings to meeting has relaxed through the generations . Probably for about 10 years before I left (left in 2011) I didn't wear stockings if it wasn't cooler weather. (Qld, nsw, or Canada) England was different again (20 yrs ago now since I lived there) They wear denim skirts for breakfasts at convention now. But not Sunday meeting. See a bit more hair down here over the last 5-8 yrs. (younger generations) a lot of hair down in Canada, but wasn't so much in Qld. It would definitely be easier if the rules were the same! It was so confusing!! it is only confusing if that was all that was focused on
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 21:21:52 GMT -5
We moved to another state in the USA and were shocked to see women in that part of the country with wedding rings. I guess it's common now. Was told they were a no-no. As a 2x2 ex to this day we don't own wedding rings. We have other rings but we seldom wear them. Perhaps it's a carry over. my parents and grandparents had wedding rings
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 21:24:09 GMT -5
Alvin ~ The wearing of jewelry in Bible times sounds like a good topical study. However, the wearing of wedding bands, imitation gold watches, white or open-toe shoes or sandels is just another worker's TABOO and has nothing to do with one's spiritual well being, IMHO. It's senseless restrictions like these connected to professing that I still consider a violation of friends personal boundaries. Workers have no right to DICTATE what you wear, acceptable hairstyles, or personal possessions in your home, or suggest you have radios removed from cars, as they did in the past. I even remember when overseers threatened to break off radio antennaes of cars with radios back in the 60's and 70's on convention grounds and did the same. Nothing but power plays to show who's in control of your life and "lording" it over the flock, IMO. In our meeting where just told what it says in the bible, and were not forced to do anything, we believe it has to be free will or else resentment sets in. But we are told what's right and wrong then we have to make our own decisions before God. We've been taught what's right. So it's then between each individual and God! and that is how i see it
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Post by whyisitso on Jun 6, 2015 21:27:58 GMT -5
I wor sandals to meeting when I was living in Canada .... Probably offended a whole bunch of people cause I didn't know their rules. In Queensland you just wouldn't wear closed in shoes year round. It's too hot. The stockings to meeting has relaxed through the generations . Probably for about 10 years before I left (left in 2011) I didn't wear stockings if it wasn't cooler weather. (Qld, nsw, or Canada) England was different again (20 yrs ago now since I lived there) They wear denim skirts for breakfasts at convention now. But not Sunday meeting. See a bit more hair down here over the last 5-8 yrs. (younger generations) a lot of hair down in Canada, but wasn't so much in Qld. It would definitely be easier if the rules were the same! It was so confusing!! it is only confusing if that was all that was focused on So do you recon if your wife turned up to Sunday meeting in a nice pair of slacks that that wouldn't be 'focused' on? The outward appearance is about the single most 'focused' on thing in the meetings!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 21:28:28 GMT -5
Yes, that's what I remember too. I noticed that a lot of the men workers would ware their watch with the face in vs out. A few other non F&W do this, but it is more rare. Not sure If anyone else noticed. because it is easier to look at when preaching
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 6, 2015 21:40:49 GMT -5
Respectful Jewish girls wore veils in Abraham's day. Veils weren't a symbol of respect in Jesus' day. You need to look a little further into why women wore veils, bert!
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 6, 2015 21:50:56 GMT -5
my wife has many times worn denim skirts and open toed shoes in meetings and a lot of young professing girls/young ladies wear their hair down here in meetings I wor sandals to meeting when I was living in Canada .... Probably offended a whole bunch of people cause I didn't know their rules. In Queensland you just wouldn't wear closed in shoes year round. It's too hot. The stockings to meeting has relaxed through the generations . Probably for about 10 years before I left (left in 2011) I didn't wear stockings if it wasn't cooler weather. (Qld, nsw, or Canada) England was different again (20 yrs ago now since I lived there) They wear denim skirts for breakfasts at convention now. But not Sunday meeting. See a bit more hair down here over the last 5-8 yrs. (younger generations) a lot of hair down in Canada, but wasn't so much in Qld. It would definitely be easier if the rules were the same! It was so confusing!! Confusing to put it mildly!
I haven't been able to understand they forbid denim SKIRTS! They are skirts after all, and not even see through skirts!
We were always had to be careful that we had something under the dress (slip) so you couldn't see even the slightest image of our ( :ogod forbid) LEGS
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Post by Greg on Jun 6, 2015 21:54:07 GMT -5
I haven't been able to understand they forbid denim SKIRTS! Could be because of denim jeans. Or just too plain, not feminine enough.
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Post by slowtosee on Jun 6, 2015 22:35:49 GMT -5
The material, denim was not too bad , although maybe considered a bit "risqué". If the material was cut and sewed together in acceptable shapes and designs, like a skirt, it was okay to wear , even to meetings. If the material was cut to look like a skirt, but actually had material sewed to go back up the legs, like a split skirt, it was ok to wear in certain "work" situations, like farming. If the material was cut and sewed into "pants", to cover more of the body and legs , than any of the other designs, it was NOT acceptable under most situations. "If an activity requires you to wear pants, you should not do it" was the advice . These guidelines , or rules for how to cut and sew acceptable clothes, were applicable to women only. For men, it was ok to cut the material into shapes like pants, although the material , denim, was frowned on to wear in meeting, especially if accompanied by shoes with material made from cows, (leather)with high sides. (cowboy boots) It does take a while for an outsider , like myself, to get educated on all the different rules, but it is quite doable and not too difficult to detect when one has breached protocol.... AGAIN. Cheers, life's great, if you don't weaken.....lol and edit- "a little misery is good for the soul " , it seems is the thought, especially for women , with all the different special codes and regs and protocol for that gender to follow to be acceptable. alvin
Many of these rules have been tossed since the good old days , obviously. reminiscing is interesting , though.
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Post by rational on Jun 7, 2015 5:58:34 GMT -5
I noticed that a lot of the men workers would ware their watch with the face in vs out. A few other non F&W do this, but it is more rare. Not sure If anyone else noticed. Many sister workers did that where I grew up....along with tucking a tissue in their sleeves. I thought the watch thing was about being able to discreetly check the time while speaking in meeting. Before the era of better/harder watch crystals people would protect the face from scratches by turning them over.
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Post by What Hat on Jun 7, 2015 8:00:58 GMT -5
Sure, and what about the non-virtuous woman. Rahab was a "working" woman, and she was considered okay too. well she did have to stay out of the camp of isreal for awhile after the fall of Jericho...
well I really didn't want to compare faune working outside of the home with a harlot but you can if you want...
"Working woman" is a present day euphemism for a prostitute. I think the idea of it, not that I agree mind you, is that prostitution is just another job. You've taken it in the other direction, which is to suggest all working women are prostitutes, which is creative and highly original, I have to admit.
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Post by ellie on Jun 7, 2015 8:31:12 GMT -5
The material, denim was not too bad , although maybe considered a bit "risqué". If the material was cut and sewed together in acceptable shapes and designs, like a skirt, it was okay to wear , even to meetings. If the material was cut to look like a skirt, but actually had material sewed to go back up the legs, like a split skirt, it was ok to wear in certain "work" situations, like farming. If the material was cut and sewed into "pants", to cover more of the body and legs , than any of the other designs, it was NOT acceptable under most situations. "If an activity requires you to wear pants, you should not do it" was the advice . These guidelines , or rules for how to cut and sew acceptable clothes, were applicable to women only. For men, it was ok to cut the material into shapes like pants, although the material , denim, was frowned on to wear in meeting, especially if accompanied by shoes with material made from cows, (leather)with high sides. (cowboy boots) It does take a while for an outsider , like myself, to get educated on all the different rules, but it is quite doable and not too difficult to detect when one has breached protocol.... AGAIN. Cheers, life's great, if you don't weaken.....lol and edit- "a little misery is good for the soul " , it seems is the thought, especially for women , with all the different special codes and regs and protocol for that gender to follow to be acceptable. alvin Many of these rules have been tossed since the good old days , obviously. reminiscing is interesting , though. Now we have a new commandment. The woman shalt own a minimum of one denim skirt. The hemline shalt be between 0.05 cubits above the ankle and 0.1 cubits below the knee. If the woman attendeth a picnic she shall not wear any other garment for all that do are an abomination unto the Lord.
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Post by snow on Jun 7, 2015 10:57:31 GMT -5
The material, denim was not too bad , although maybe considered a bit "risqué". If the material was cut and sewed together in acceptable shapes and designs, like a skirt, it was okay to wear , even to meetings. If the material was cut to look like a skirt, but actually had material sewed to go back up the legs, like a split skirt, it was ok to wear in certain "work" situations, like farming. If the material was cut and sewed into "pants", to cover more of the body and legs , than any of the other designs, it was NOT acceptable under most situations. "If an activity requires you to wear pants, you should not do it" was the advice . These guidelines , or rules for how to cut and sew acceptable clothes, were applicable to women only. For men, it was ok to cut the material into shapes like pants, although the material , denim, was frowned on to wear in meeting, especially if accompanied by shoes with material made from cows, (leather)with high sides. (cowboy boots) It does take a while for an outsider , like myself, to get educated on all the different rules, but it is quite doable and not too difficult to detect when one has breached protocol.... AGAIN. Cheers, life's great, if you don't weaken.....lol and edit- "a little misery is good for the soul " , it seems is the thought, especially for women , with all the different special codes and regs and protocol for that gender to follow to be acceptable. alvin Many of these rules have been tossed since the good old days , obviously. reminiscing is interesting , though. Now we have a new commandment. The woman shalt own a minimum of one denim skirt. The hemline shalt be between 0.05 cubits above the ankle and 0.1 cubits below the knee. If the woman attendeth a picnic she shall not wear any other garment for all that do are an abomination unto the Lord. I've often thought this particular God sure does have a lot of fashion issues! People really need to ask themselves if they truly believe an all powerful, all knowing being really would be concerned with such mediocre stuff such as what we wear and adornments? I mean really!? Why?
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Post by fixit on Jun 7, 2015 14:08:52 GMT -5
Now we have a new commandment. The woman shalt own a minimum of one denim skirt. The hemline shalt be between 0.05 cubits above the ankle and 0.1 cubits below the knee. If the woman attendeth a picnic she shall not wear any other garment for all that do are an abomination unto the Lord. I've often thought this particular God sure does have a lot of fashion issues! People really need to ask themselves if they truly believe an all powerful, all knowing being really would be concerned with such mediocre stuff such as what we wear and adornments? I mean really!? Why? It's the unspiritual mind that focuses on unspiritual matters.
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Post by withlove on Jun 7, 2015 14:23:42 GMT -5
I've often thought this particular God sure does have a lot of fashion issues! People really need to ask themselves if they truly believe an all powerful, all knowing being really would be concerned with such mediocre stuff such as what we wear and adornments? I mean really!? Why? It's the unspiritual mind that focuses on unspiritual matters. That's awesome. Which translation did you quote?
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Post by fixit on Jun 7, 2015 17:49:59 GMT -5
It's the unspiritual mind that focuses on unspiritual matters. That's awesome. Which translation did you quote? I quoted NIV. KJV refers to "fleshly" mind which I suppose is the same thing. Parts of the KJV are easy enough to follow, but parts are foreign to 21st century English speakers. So they jump to conclusions or guess. Like the older workers who have used this scripture exhorting us to "Touch not; taste not; handle not" the things of the world. Many of the younger workers today compare the KJV with newer versions - mostly NIV.
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Post by kittens on Jun 7, 2015 18:05:31 GMT -5
The material, denim was not too bad , although maybe considered a bit "risqué". If the material was cut and sewed together in acceptable shapes and designs, like a skirt, it was okay to wear , even to meetings. If the material was cut to look like a skirt, but actually had material sewed to go back up the legs, like a split skirt, it was ok to wear in certain "work" situations, like farming. If the material was cut and sewed into "pants", to cover more of the body and legs , than any of the other designs, it was NOT acceptable under most situations. "If an activity requires you to wear pants, you should not do it" was the advice . These guidelines , or rules for how to cut and sew acceptable clothes, were applicable to women only. For men, it was ok to cut the material into shapes like pants, although the material , denim, was frowned on to wear in meeting, especially if accompanied by shoes with material made from cows, (leather)with high sides. (cowboy boots) It does take a while for an outsider , like myself, to get educated on all the different rules, but it is quite doable and not too difficult to detect when one has breached protocol.... AGAIN. Cheers, life's great, if you don't weaken.....lol and edit- "a little misery is good for the soul " , it seems is the thought, especially for women , with all the different special codes and regs and protocol for that gender to follow to be acceptable. alvin Many of these rules have been tossed since the good old days , obviously. reminiscing is interesting , though.
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Post by Gene on Jun 7, 2015 18:11:40 GMT -5
Now we have a new commandment. The woman shalt own a minimum of one denim skirt. The hemline shalt be between 0.05 cubits above the ankle and 0.1 cubits below the knee. If the woman attendeth a picnic she shall not wear any other garment for all that do are an abomination unto the Lord. Ha ha I like this. Trouble is it isn't just a funny story. It is the truth. If you turn up at a picnic wearing a different type of skirt or one of a different length you really feel out of place and people do stare. It's like 'get in uniform you silly girl. You should know what it is by now.' Problem - shops don't sell denim skirts anymore unless they're micro minis (don't think they'd be acceptable). Unless you go to an op shop you won't find any. When fashion moves on it's hard to stay in uniform. If it weren't for the denim skirts, I don't know how I'd ever find the right picnic.
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Post by snow on Jun 7, 2015 18:37:10 GMT -5
Ha ha I like this. Trouble is it isn't just a funny story. It is the truth. If you turn up at a picnic wearing a different type of skirt or one of a different length you really feel out of place and people do stare. It's like 'get in uniform you silly girl. You should know what it is by now.' Problem - shops don't sell denim skirts anymore unless they're micro minis (don't think they'd be acceptable). Unless you go to an op shop you won't find any. When fashion moves on it's hard to stay in uniform. If it weren't for the denim skirts, I don't know how I'd ever find the right picnic. Oh, so now there is the only right picnic too! No wonder I'm doomed. I just can't keep up!
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Post by Gene on Jun 7, 2015 18:40:21 GMT -5
If it weren't for the denim skirts, I don't know how I'd ever find the right picnic. Oh, so now there is the only right picnic too! No wonder I'm doomed. I just can't keep up! That one's easy -- just look for the denim skirts, and you've found the right picnic!
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Post by fred on Jun 7, 2015 21:52:25 GMT -5
Oh, so now there is the only right picnic too! No wonder I'm doomed. I just can't keep up! That one's easy -- just look for the denim skirts, and you've found the right picnic! Er well, you might end up in the wrong spot - that's only half the uniform! Pair it with white runners and the hair up-do and then you can feel at home.
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Post by withlove on Jun 7, 2015 22:13:24 GMT -5
That's awesome. Which translation did you quote? I quoted NIV. KJV refers to "fleshly" mind which I suppose is the same thing. Parts of the KJV are easy enough to follow, but parts are foreign to 21st century English speakers. So they jump to conclusions or guess. Like the older workers who have used this scripture exhorting us to "Touch not; taste not; handle not" the things of the world. Many of the younger workers today compare the KJV with newer versions - mostly NIV. Thank you for sharing that! I haven't read much in the NIV. NKV doesn't seem as clear as that.
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Post by Lee on Jun 8, 2015 1:26:23 GMT -5
I want to know if its an act of vanity to shave, or to pull hair out of my nose and ears. I also want to know if I'm professing-not-possessing to take more than one shower a week living here in drought-afflicted California.
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Post by Lee on Jun 8, 2015 1:29:10 GMT -5
I must have been born in a cult if I'm asking these questions.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 8, 2015 2:45:54 GMT -5
Now virgo? perhaps.
Not at the times that kittens & whyisitso were talking about?
well i don't live in the past Of course not! and since you aren't a woman you never had to worry much about it either did you?
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