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Post by blacksheep on Apr 5, 2015 15:34:11 GMT -5
Anything else, so long as it has nothing to do with the thread title.
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Post by blacksheep on Apr 5, 2015 16:32:06 GMT -5
Some here have placed great importance on New Testament form. It has been put forth that church groups and fellowships should be evaluated on how closely they follow the New Testament form of ministry and worship. The insinuation is that the F&Ws fit the bill better that any others, and therefore are the only right way to minister and worship. Some even go so far as to say that the F&Ws go back to the shores of Galilee!
Yet, it can be clearly shown that the F&Ws do not adhere to all of the form recorded in the New Testament, but merely pick and choose whatever suits them. Don't all Christian groups do likewise? Of course they do, no big deal. But some would have us believe that it is a big deal.
When the discussion points out a few items of many New Testament form which are not adhered to by the F&Ws, the proponents of the "we're the only right ones because we follow New Testament form" claim become uncomfortable. They welcome any diversion that happens along, ie. Old Testament chariot wheels! They run with it as far away from the topic as they can. Thing is, most reasonable folks realize that form is one of the least important aspects, not one of the most important!
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 5, 2015 17:53:20 GMT -5
Some here have placed great importance on New Testament form. It has been put forth that church groups and fellowships should be evaluated on how closely they follow the New Testament form of ministry and worship. The insinuation is that the F&Ws fit the bill better that any others, and therefore are the only right way to minister and worship. Some even go so far as to say that the F&Ws go back to the shores of Galilee! Yet, it can be clearly shown that the F&Ws do not adhere to all of the form recorded in the New Testament, but merely pick and choose whatever suits them. Don't all Christian groups do likewise? Of course they do, no big deal. But some would have us believe that it is a big deal. When the discussion points out a few items of many New Testament form which are not adhered to by the F&Ws, the proponents of the " we're the only right ones because we follow New Testament form" claim become uncomfortable. They welcome any diversion that happens along, ie. Old Testament chariot wheels! They run with it as far away from the topic as they can. Thing is, most reasonable folks realize that form is one of the least important aspects, not one of the most important! I suppose diversion could be part of the reason for such discussions.
I tend to think that the reason is that many Christians, not just the F&Ws, will welcome anything that they think shows them that the bible is indeed accurate in everything.
That is why Nathan wants to believe such hoaxes as this: "400 human skeletons, 100 weapons, vest armors, blades/swords, two war chariots intact, 5000 bodies/skeletons scattered nearby, are found at the bottom of Red Sea."
If all of of those things were actually found by bona fide archeologists, -it would be front page news in all newspapers of the world!
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Post by blacksheep on Apr 5, 2015 18:38:57 GMT -5
I suppose diversion could be part of the reason for such discussions. I tend to think that the reason is that many Christians, not just the F&Ws, will welcome anything that they think shows them that the bible is indeed accurate in everything. That is why Nathan wants to believe such hoaxes as this: "400 human skeletons, 100 weapons, vest armors, blades/swords, two war chariots intact, 5000 bodies/skeletons scattered nearby, are found at the bottom of Red Sea." You may well be right about Nathan and all the rest who "just want to believe", but I find it more than just an oversight that a long dissertation on chariot wheels is inserted into an existing thread rather than into one of its own. It feels like a welcome diversion. I've sat in several hundreds of Gospel meetings where the main "selling points" of the F&Ws were a.) New Testament Ministry, b.) From The Shores of Galilee, and c.) Meeting in the Home. Since then, with the evidence available that the F&Ws fellowship is only about 120 yrs old, the "Shores of Galilee" myth has gone from a major selling point to "its not important". Having it pointed out that the so-called modern day New Testament Ministry falls short of the Scriptures, if not a total misrepresentation, is a sore spot with once and present workers. "Lets talk about anything, ANYTHING, even the Pharaoh,s chariots, just lets bury the discussion of the pick-and-choose practice (boasting one thing while ignoring other things) of Scripture adherence claims by the Workers."
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Post by blacksheep on Apr 5, 2015 18:53:33 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 6, 2015 4:16:22 GMT -5
I suppose diversion could be part of the reason for such discussions. I tend to think that the reason is that many Christians, not just the F&Ws, will welcome anything that they think shows them that the bible is indeed accurate in everything. That is why Nathan wants to believe such hoaxes as this: "400 human skeletons, 100 weapons, vest armors, blades/swords, two war chariots intact, 5000 bodies/skeletons scattered nearby, are found at the bottom of Red Sea." You may well be right about Nathan and all the rest who "just want to believe", but I find it more than just an oversight that a long dissertation on chariot wheels is inserted into an existing thread rather than into one of its own. It feels like a welcome diversion. I've sat in several hundreds of Gospel meetings where the main "selling points" of the F&Ws were a.) New Testament Ministry, b.) From The Shores of Galilee, and c.) Meeting in the Home. Since then, with the evidence available that the F&Ws fellowship is only about 120 yrs old, the "Shores of Galilee" myth has gone from a major selling point to "its not important". Having it pointed out that the so-called modern day New Testament Ministry falls short of the Scriptures, if not a total misrepresentation, is a sore spot with once and present workers. "Lets talk about anything, ANYTHING, even the Pharaoh,s chariots, just lets bury the discussion of the pick-and-choose practice (boasting one thing while ignoring other things) of Scripture adherence claims by the Workers." Perhaps that is true of those who are still in the F&W.
For some of the rest of us it is an interesting discussion. BTW, we just watched the new movie Exodus the other night. I thought it was fairly good.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 4:29:55 GMT -5
Quote - :"Lets talk about anything, ANYTHING, even the Pharaoh,s chariots, just lets bury the discussion of the pick-and-choose practice (boasting one thing while ignoring other things) of Scripture adherence claims by the Workers."
Any examples of this?
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Post by blacksheep on Apr 6, 2015 14:49:55 GMT -5
Quote - :"Lets talk about anything, ANYTHING, even the Pharaoh,s chariots, just lets bury the discussion of the pick-and-choose practice (boasting one thing while ignoring other things) of Scripture adherence claims by the Workers." Any examples of this?It seems clear to me what transpired in Emy's thread "Taking purse, scrip and sword...". The issue at hand was successfully sidestepped. And now it seems that that waters have become muddied. Either you see what happened or you don't. There is no further explanation that can't be countered with plausible deniability.
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Post by xna on Apr 6, 2015 15:24:39 GMT -5
Anything else, so long as it has nothing to do with the thread title.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 17:19:11 GMT -5
Anything else, so long as it has nothing to do with the thread title. Nothing new at all, this has been going on for as long as I have been associated with this forum from 2003. Threads get derailed, when certain people get bored with the subject especially if it comes up time and again, it exhausts itself until some one starts it up all over again.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 6, 2015 19:10:40 GMT -5
Nothing new at all, this has been going on for as long as I have been associated with this forum from 2003. Th reads get derailed, when certain people get bored with the subject especially if it comes up time and again, it exhausts itself until some one starts it up all over again. That is true, threads do get derailed; but do you think that happens because as, blacksheep posted, 'the F&Ws, the proponents of the "we're the only right ones because we follow New Testament form" claim become uncomfortable? '
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Post by blacksheep on Apr 6, 2015 21:01:22 GMT -5
So...how bout them Tigers? Showed them Twins a thing or two!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 4:10:32 GMT -5
Nothing new at all, this has been going on for as long as I have been associated with this forum from 2003. Th reads get derailed, when certain people get bored with the subject especially if it comes up time and again, it exhausts itself until some one starts it up all over again. That is true, threads do get derailed; but do you think that happens because as, blacksheep posted, 'the F&Ws, the proponents of the "we're the only right ones because we follow New Testament form" claim become uncomfortable? ' That is possible, I am not ruling that out, all I am pointing out is that it is an old habit and it is said that old habits die hard.
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Post by placid-void on Apr 7, 2015 16:50:10 GMT -5
Good afternoon blacksheep. I agree with the premise of your thread but disagree with the scope of your assessment.
Like you, I am amazed by the trajectory of some conversations on some threads. It seems like you can be reading a post about the importance of “tolerance in the Christian message” one minute and by the time you get back from getting a glass of water (glass of wine, can of beer, your choice), the thread is deeply immersed in an argument about the quality of Hititte iron for chariot wheels!
Where I take exception with your assessment of the situation, is that you seem to associate the tendency to develop deep and abiding interest in chariot wheels solely to posters who favor the F&W point of view.
My observations are quite different. To be sure, there is some “chariot wheel” interest among the F&W faithful. I don’t believe, however, that they have cornered the market! My observation is that any person posting on TMB who has a specific agenda that they feel compelled to push also has a pocket full of construction manuals for every type of chariot wheel known to man.
My observation is that “Zen and the art of chariot wheel repair” becomes the escape hatch of choice for all those who become defensive in the face of disagreement and who lack the conviction to argue their beliefs sincerely. I believe that representatives of the this tendency can be found far and wide and well beyond the confines of the F&W belief system.
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Post by xna on Apr 7, 2015 19:30:20 GMT -5
The wheel came from bacteria, which is alien life. Alien life is made up of alien nano machines. Do you know bacteria have nano wheels and motors? Science was forced to admit the true origin of alien bacteria and the nano wheels and motors In 1990. They had to revise the "tree of life" to add on top a higher "DOMAIN LEVEL" which is above the kingdom / phylum / genius / Don't make fun of the wheel! Try to keep up, we're drifting on topic again. youtu.be/k-j5kKSk_6Uen.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_(biology)
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Post by emy on Apr 7, 2015 23:21:19 GMT -5
I predict from here on we will have "chariot wheels" rather than "red herrings"!! Good afternoon blacksheep. I agree with the premise of your thread but disagree with the scope of your assessment. Like you, I am amazed by the trajectory of some conversations on some threads. It seems like you can be reading a post about the importance of “tolerance in the Christian message” one minute and by the time you get back from getting a glass of water (glass of wine, can of beer, your choice), the thread is deeply immersed in an argument about the quality of Hititte iron for chariot wheels! Where I take exception with your assessment of the situation, is that you seem to associate the tendency to develop deep and abiding interest in chariot wheels solely to posters who favor the F&W point of view. My observations are quite different. To be sure, there is some “chariot wheel” interest among the F&W faithful. I don’t believe, however, that they have cornered the market! My observation is that any person posting on TMB who has a specific agenda that they feel compelled to push also has a pocket full of construction manuals for every type of chariot wheel known to man. My observation is that “Zen and the art of chariot wheel repair” becomes the escape hatch of choice for all those who become defensive in the face of disagreement and who lack the conviction to argue their beliefs sincerely. I believe that representatives of the this tendency can be found far and wide and well beyond the confines of the F&W belief system.
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Post by blacksheep on Apr 8, 2015 6:51:04 GMT -5
I just don't know what you're talking about, Emy! By the way, don't those look like chariot wheels on the bus?
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Post by placid-void on Apr 8, 2015 7:06:07 GMT -5
I just don't know what you're talking about, Emy! By the way, don't those look like chariot wheels on the bus? Luv It! Superb segue!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 9, 2015 0:09:17 GMT -5
The wheel came from bacteria, which is alien life. Alien life is made up of alien nano machines. Do you know bacteria have nano wheels and motors? Science was forced to admit the true origin of alien bacteria and the nano wheels and motors In 1990. They had to revise the "tree of life" to add on top a higher "DOMAIN LEVEL" which is above the kingdom / phylum / genius / Don't make fun of the wheel! Try to keep up, we're drifting on topic again. youtu.be/k-j5kKSk_6Uen.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_(biology)Xna, you are on the right track about the wheel having an alien background and here are the real facts about this matter. I know they are true as I saw the video on Youtube. A long time ago, way before yesterdays lunch a young alien pilot was practicing touch and goes in his spacecraft. He was using Planet Earth to do this and apparently it was often used for this purpose as it appeared to be largely uninhabited hence lots of clear space. Well, this young guy messed up his approach and smashed up his craft. Both he and his flying instructor were killed instantly. Parts of the craft went cart wheeling all round the landscape and this was long before carts were around.Some of the parts are in one of the oldest museums on earth, the Nathsonian. One of the landing wheels happened to land near a cavemans cave and he and his mates soon gathered it up and spent many hours pondering its use. Finally they managed to work out that the hole in the centre was for putting something in and so a small tree trunk was rammed in it and hence the axle was born. However they only had one wheel so invention stalled for a wee while whilst more pondering was done. Finally they worked out that if they split the tree trunk and made a fork with another piece of wood becoming the axle and also pearcing the cleft tree trunk then they would have a unicycle. This proved very popular in the neighbourhood but unfortunately no other wheels came to light. Obviously no more crash landings. So there you have it, the discovery of the wheel was all the fault of a lousy bit of pilot skill.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 9, 2015 2:31:37 GMT -5
The wheel came from bacteria, which is alien life. Alien life is made up of alien nano machines. Do you know bacteria have nano wheels and motors? Science was forced to admit the true origin of alien bacteria and the nano wheels and motors In 1990. They had to revise the "tree of life" to add on top a higher "DOMAIN LEVEL" which is above the kingdom / phylum / genius / Don't make fun of the wheel! Try to keep up, we're drifting on topic again. youtu.be/k-j5kKSk_6Uen.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_(biology)Xna, you are on the right track about the wheel having an alien background and here are the real facts about this matter. I know they are true as I saw the video on Youtube. A long time ago, way before yesterdays lunch a young alien pilot was practicing touch and goes in his spacecraft. He was using Planet Earth to do this and apparently it was often used for this purpose as it appeared to be largely uninhabited hence lots of clear space. Well, this young guy messed up his approach and smashed up his craft. Both he and his flying instructor were killed instantly. Parts of the craft went cart wheeling all round the landscape and this was long before carts were around. Some of the parts are in one of the oldest museums on earth, the Nathsonian. One of the landing wheels happened to land near a cavemans cave and he and his mates soon gathered it up and spent many hours pondering its use. Finally they managed to work out that the hole in the centre was for putting something in and so a small tree trunk was rammed in it and hence the axle was born. However they only had one wheel so invention stalled for a wee while whilst more pondering was done. Finally they worked out that if they split the tree trunk and made a fork with another piece of wood becoming the axle and also pearcing the cleft tree trunk then they would have a unicycle. This proved very popular in the neighbourhood but unfortunately no other wheels came to light. Obviously no more crash landings. So there you have it, the discovery of the wheel was all the fault of a lousy bit of pilot skill. Curlywurlysammagee, Thank you so much! One more of the great questions I have asked for so long & NOBODY ever could answer my question!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 15:00:16 GMT -5
Think of how many people have died not knowing this vital bit of misinformation!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 15:54:21 GMT -5
Nothing new at all, this has been going on for as long as I have been associated with this forum from 2003. Th reads get derailed, when certain people get bored with the subject especially if it comes up time and again, it exhausts itself until some one starts it up all over again. That is true, threads do get derailed; but do you think that happens because as, blacksheep posted, 'the F&Ws, the proponents of the "we're the only right ones because we follow New Testament form" claim become uncomfortable? ' Probably so because there in no clear and definite way of proving it to be so.
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