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Post by BobWilliston on May 2, 2015 15:33:34 GMT -5
Bail for youth who broke police-car window dramatically higher than that for officer charged with second-degree murder of Freddie Gray Police Officer's charges: By Baynard Woods and Anna Walsh published: 6:23 p.m. EDT, May 1, 2015 Allen Bullock, the young man who helped smash the windows out of a police car last Saturday, is being held on $500,000 bail for one count of riot, two counts of malicious destruction of property over $1,000, two counts of rogue and vagabond, one count of disorderly conduct, and one count of theft less than $100. Bullock, who is 18 years old, turned himself into police, as first reported by the Guardian, when his stepfather told him that the police would "find him, knock down our door and beat him." By contrast, Caesar R. Goodson, the driver of the wagon in which Freddie Gray was mortally wounded, is being held on $350,000, much less than the bail of Bullock, though Goodson is being charged with second-degree depraved heart murder, manslaughter, second-degree assault, manslaughter by vehicle (gross negligence), manslaughter by vehicle (criminal negligence), and misconduct in office. Garrett Miller, also facing two counts of second-degree assault, two counts of misconduct in office, and one count of false imprisonment, and Brian Rice, who is charged with involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree assault, two counts of misconduct in office, and false imprisonment, also have bail set at $350,000. Edward M. Nero, who was charged with two counts of second-degree assault, two counts of misconduct in office, and one count of false imprisonment, is facing $250,000 bail. Well what does all this say to you? Life in America is no bed of roses because the devil looks after his own? Well, that's good to start with, It's also an example of how the "haves" have the system rigged at keeping the "have nots" in their places: i.e. powerless to improve their position in society. Remember, in America money is legally accepted speech, and the more money you have the more freedom of speech you have.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 2, 2015 15:41:24 GMT -5
Well what does all this say to you? Life in America is no bed of roses because the devil looks after his own? WHO IS THE "DEVIL" IN THIS CASE?
The important question, of course. The history of police brutality in Baltimore pretty much explains who it getting the most protection. It's an expensive prospect, but the victims can't compete.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 2, 2015 15:52:37 GMT -5
WHO IS THE "DEVIL" IN THIS CASE?
Whoever or whatever it is that advocates and uphold these unfair and evil practices of injustice and favourable treatment of some folks as opposed to some other folks with lesser or comparable misdemeanours.IMO. A figure of speech perhaps. Fact is -- the justice system is not finished with this case yet. Not everyone is confident the policemen will ever be convicted of anything. But the fact that they came an indictment is a great stride toward equality. What we do know is that the young kid will not be able to afford an equally qualified defense in court, and will end up with a criminal record that will exclude him from employment for the rest of his life. Of course, it is convenient in this country that they select jurors from the voters list -- because people with criminal records can't vote.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 2, 2015 16:47:01 GMT -5
It seems to me looking on from quite a distance and not understanding completely how the justice system works in the USA but I have noticed a couple of things and require some clarification: Your police departments are employed by your local body and not the USA government. Is this so? If so then there would appear to be room for a variety of training standards and local laws. Heads of departments and district attorneys are also employed by local bodies and not USA government and are subject to political pressure, yes?
A national police force and non political appointees would go a wee way to fixing some of the problems.
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Post by Gene on May 2, 2015 19:41:55 GMT -5
It seems to me looking on from quite a distance and not understanding completely how the justice system works in the USA but I have noticed a couple of things and require some clarification: Your police departments are employed by your local body and not the USA government. Is this so? If so then there would appear to be room for a variety of training standards and local laws. Heads of departments and district attorneys are also employed by local bodies and not USA government and are subject to political pressure, yes? A national police force and non political appointees would go a wee way to fixing some of the problems. You're right. Cities have police forces. The next larger common political division, counties, also have law enforcement squads (often Sheriffs). Next, there is the State police- each of the 50 states runs their own. Finally, there is U.S. Federal law enforcement in several flavors: U.S. Marshals, FBI, National Guard, and, of course, the military (Army, Air Force, Marines, Navy, Coast Guard). Plus other Federal forces with specific duties: Secret Service (safeguarding public figures and the currency/counterfeiting); Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms (ATF); National Park Service rangers; many others...
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 19:47:16 GMT -5
It seems to me looking on from quite a distance and not understanding completely how the justice system works in the USA but I have noticed a couple of things and require some clarification: Your police departments are employed by your local body and not the USA government. Is this so? If so then there would appear to be room for a variety of training standards and local laws. Heads of departments and district attorneys are also employed by local bodies and not USA government and are subject to political pressure, yes? A national police force and non political appointees would go a wee way to fixing some of the problems. i could be wrong(gasp) but I think they already have civilian oversight in quite a few police agencies...trouble is they come in AFTER an event has happened...
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Post by matisse on May 2, 2015 20:03:01 GMT -5
It seems to me looking on from quite a distance and not understanding completely how the justice system works in the USA but I have noticed a couple of things and require some clarification: Your police departments are employed by your local body and not the USA government. Is this so? If so then there would appear to be room for a variety of training standards and local laws. Heads of departments and district attorneys are also employed by local bodies and not USA government and are subject to political pressure, yes? A national police force and non political appointees would go a wee way to fixing some of the problems. i could be wrong(gasp) but I think the already have civilian oversight in quite a few police agencies... There is a citizen review board associated with the police department in the city I live in. Unfortunately it has no power to make independent investigations and is essentially an extension of the police department.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 3, 2015 1:59:54 GMT -5
It seems to me looking on from quite a distance and not understanding completely how the justice system works in the USA but I have noticed a couple of things and require some clarification: Your police departments are employed by your local body and not the USA government. Is this so? If so then there would appear to be room for a variety of training standards and local laws. You're quite right. The FBI and other federal officials are, I presume, trained alike across the country, but they only enforce federal laws. State laws are enforced by both state police (highway patrol) forces, and local/city/county police forces. I don't know about other states, but our city has their own police academy for their own police training, and the Nevada Highway Patrol has their own academy -- 6-months and they're on patrol. Worse than that -- heads of departments are elected by the people -- an incentive to get criminal convictions for those they don't like so they'll never get to vote against them. As happened in Tulsa recently, a 73 year old insurance agent was hired on as a kind of part time police officer, then when he killed a person during an arrest because he mistook his gun for a tazer, someone resigned because he'd falsified the man's training record. You're exactly right -- but there's no appetite for that in this country. As patriotic as Americans come across to the rest of the world, there is deep seated and widespread distrust of anything "federal", not just among bumpkin populations, but in state governments as well. And the various levels of police enforcement are known for their rivalries and jealous of intrusions of other police departments into their jurisdictions. It's really ironic, because we also have had, as the whole world probably has heard about, the most massive tracking of civilian telephone traffic imaginable -- but for the purposes of the federal spy agency. If you've made a telephone call to someone in the US in recent years, the NSA has a record of it.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 3, 2015 2:08:37 GMT -5
It seems to me looking on from quite a distance and not understanding completely how the justice system works in the USA but I have noticed a couple of things and require some clarification: Your police departments are employed by your local body and not the USA government. Is this so? If so then there would appear to be room for a variety of training standards and local laws. Heads of departments and district attorneys are also employed by local bodies and not USA government and are subject to political pressure, yes? A national police force and non political appointees would go a wee way to fixing some of the problems. You're right. Cities have police forces. The next larger common political division, counties, also have law enforcement squads (often Sheriffs). Next, there is the State police- each of the 50 states runs their own. Finally, there is U.S. Federal law enforcement in several flavors: U.S. Marshals, FBI, National Guard, and, of course, the military (Army, Air Force, Marines, Navy, Coast Guard). Plus other Federal forces with specific duties: Secret Service (safeguarding public figures and the currency/counterfeiting); Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms (ATF); National Park Service rangers; many others... As a matter of fact, the school district in Las Vegas has it's own police force -- fortunately far more respected by the students than the Metro police because they don't play favorites.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 3, 2015 2:24:57 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 3, 2015 3:48:14 GMT -5
Bob, best you move to NZ, we will arrange a swap with someone here that could do with some life in the USA. Maybe that chap that keeps posting reviews about himself. I'm thinking we could improve the IQ of NZ by such a move.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 4, 2015 17:32:28 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on May 8, 2015 2:44:56 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on May 9, 2015 20:45:41 GMT -5
Stats of the Month
Fifty years ago, General Motors rated as America’s largest employer, and the typical GM worker earned $35 an hour, after adusting for inflation. In 2014, the typical entry-level worker at Walmart, America’s largest employer today, earned about $9 an hour.
On the latest Forbes list of the world’s billionaires, four heirs to the Walmart fortune — Christy Walton, Jim Walton, Alice Walton, and S. Robson Walton — occupy four of the top 12 slots. Their combined fortune: $160.8 billion.
Fun with fossil fuels: Pay for Exxon Mobil CEO Rex Tillerson jumped $5 million to $33 million last year.
Thanks to the federal tax break for business meals, a single $1,600 dinner evening out for 10 execs will save a corporation $280 in taxes, more help from taxpayers than the $279 the average American family on food stamps receives for an entire month.
How concentrated have income and wealth become in the United States? In 1984, the top 0.01 percent of campaign contributors gave 11.9 percent of U.S. political donations. In 2012, the top 0.01 percent of contributors gave 41.8 percent of all contributions.
In its first four years, the new federal Consumer Financial Protection Bureau has forced financial services firms to return over $5 billion directly to consumers that they cheated. Yet not one of today’s top financial industry execs has so far been jailed.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 22:48:26 GMT -5
interesting to know...I wonder how much they donate to the poor?
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Post by BobWilliston on May 12, 2015 0:07:49 GMT -5
interesting to know...I wonder how much they donate to the poor? Are you kidding? They're the ones who believe the poor can exist on your tax dollars. They're the capitalists, you know.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 12, 2015 0:08:17 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on May 16, 2015 18:55:56 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 19:52:55 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on May 16, 2015 20:44:05 GMT -5
But that wasn't a question of free speech -- that was passive refusal to abide by two court orders. All the guy wants is his money.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 17, 2015 3:44:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 16:06:13 GMT -5
well at least they didn't shoot him...
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Post by BobWilliston on May 17, 2015 22:15:24 GMT -5
well at least they didn't shoot him... Notice how the whole thing went from mid afternoon to after dark ? Anyway, you won't have to take your 7-month pregnant wife with you to stand in the line of fire and arrange two cameras non-police cameras to accompany you on the street while you go walking with your mighty firearm hanging on you. Were the cops ignorant of the law, or just plain racist?
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Post by BobWilliston on May 20, 2015 18:33:43 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 8, 2015 14:23:03 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 8, 2015 14:43:52 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 16, 2015 21:41:49 GMT -5
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Post by matisse on Jun 21, 2015 10:49:46 GMT -5
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