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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 18, 2015 22:34:44 GMT -5
As of today it has only passed in the "House" and was set for its first reading in the Senate. If the Senate passes it, it is up to the state governor to either sign it into law or veto it. So they have a way to go yet. But even if it passes, they know it's unconstitutional. Unless they're completely stupid, the only reason they're doing this is to harass everyone it would affect. I see. That's how that works. It still has a chance of getting shot down then. After what the senate has been doing lately, stupidity doesn't seem to be lacking in government. I can't believe they haven't been charged with treason. What exactly does it take to get charged with that? According to the US Constitution treason means helping a country's enemy during a time of war, but from the history of US convictions for treason, the "in time of war" is ignored more often than it is obeyed. This fiasco with the "Open Letter to Iran" could merit at least one treasonous conviction. One congressman is reported to be a member of his home state's militia, and the law provides for punishment for anyone who criticizes the "commander in chief" -- that being Obama. It remains to be seen how much shock and shame all our rookie congressmen can come up with in the next year or so.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 19, 2015 1:58:11 GMT -5
As of today it has only passed in the "House" and was set for its first reading in the Senate. If the Senate passes it, it is up to the state governor to either sign it into law or veto it. So they have a way to go yet. But even if it passes, they know it's unconstitutional. Unless they're completely stupid, the only reason they're doing this is to harass everyone it would affect. I see. That's how that works. It still has a chance of getting shot down then. After what the senate has been doing lately, stupidity doesn't seem to be lacking in government. I can't believe they haven't been charged with treason. What exactly does it take to get charged with that? Bob would know, but I doubt such a bill could be described as "treason."
Otherwise, half our government could be be before a "firing squad" at any one time!
Never-the-less, our civil liberties can't ever be taken for granted. "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" Thomas Jefferson
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 19, 2015 3:30:43 GMT -5
I see. That's how that works. It still has a chance of getting shot down then. After what the senate has been doing lately, stupidity doesn't seem to be lacking in government. I can't believe they haven't been charged with treason. What exactly does it take to get charged with that? Bob would know, but I doubt such a bill could be described as "treason."
Otherwise, half our government could be be before a "firing squad" at any one time!
Never-the-less, our civil liberties can't ever be taken for granted. "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" Thomas Jefferson
It's really bothersome what is going on in the justice system in this country. Petreus, the top US guy in the war in Afghanistan, leaked secrets "during war time", and he gets nothing more than a slap on the wrist -- so much for the definition and dereliction of duty. But the man who blew the whistle sits in prison for years. So much for defending the constitution.
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Post by snow on Mar 19, 2015 10:29:43 GMT -5
I see. That's how that works. It still has a chance of getting shot down then. After what the senate has been doing lately, stupidity doesn't seem to be lacking in government. I can't believe they haven't been charged with treason. What exactly does it take to get charged with that? Bob would know, but I doubt such a bill could be described as "treason."
Otherwise, half our government could be be before a "firing squad" at any one time!
Never-the-less, our civil liberties can't ever be taken for granted. "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" Thomas Jefferson
No I'm sure the bill wasn't treason. I was more referring to the Senate's bring in the Israeli Prime Minister and their letter to Iran. The constant undermining of the President seems rather interesting that it is allowed. Especially when what they are doing is based on their religious beliefs about Israel and it's place in the 'end of times'. What happened to separation of church and state? They are literally acting on their religious beliefs with what they are doing as far as I can see.
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Post by emy on Mar 19, 2015 13:52:19 GMT -5
Snow.. a quick USA government lesson: Some states (apparently OK is one) have a STATE House and Senate, so what they pass would only affect OK.
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Post by snow on Mar 19, 2015 16:30:18 GMT -5
Snow.. a quick USA government lesson: Some states (apparently OK is one) have a STATE House and Senate, so what they pass would only affect OK. thank you Emy! and it sounds like it won't go any further according to Bob.
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Post by xna on Mar 19, 2015 19:07:23 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 21, 2015 17:38:44 GMT -5
Snow.. a quick USA government lesson: Some states (apparently OK is one) have a STATE House and Senate, so what they pass would only affect OK. 49 states have senates, but no matter what laws they pass they have to be legal within the confines of the US constitution. You have to remember that there is a large block of US states who disrespect the US Constitution and treat the federal government with indignity. One of them still flies on the state capitol the flag of the United States' enemy in the bloodiest war in our history.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 21, 2015 17:41:28 GMT -5
Snow.. a quick USA government lesson: Some states (apparently OK is one) have a STATE House and Senate, so what they pass would only affect OK. thank you Emy! and it sounds like it won't go any further according to Bob. Well, it might. The Supreme court has had to frequently deal with similarly offending laws in many states.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 21, 2015 17:42:10 GMT -5
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Post by emy on Mar 21, 2015 17:44:03 GMT -5
But what OK makes a law will not be carried out in the other states. There is the matter of setting a precedent.
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Post by emy on Mar 21, 2015 17:45:54 GMT -5
Fat chance that will go anywhere in California!! fortunately
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 21, 2015 18:23:19 GMT -5
Fat chance that will go anywhere in California!! fortunately I have my doubts too. Californians are more apt to ignore their loonies than use them for political gain.
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Post by snow on Mar 21, 2015 21:55:21 GMT -5
umm correct me if I'm wrong but isn't murder illegal no matter who it is? Why would anyone even consider this?
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 22, 2015 4:10:00 GMT -5
umm correct me if I'm wrong but isn't murder illegal no matter who it is? Why would anyone even consider this? Well ... "murder" is indeed illegal, but murder is only "illegal" killing. Lots of kinds of killing is "legal" in various states. In Louisiana it turns out to be legal to shoot someone walking across your lawn. It may have changed, but the law in Texas used to permit a man to shoot his wife if he found her in bed with another man. In this state killing is only legal if one is confronted with a deadly threat, but the definition of what constitutes a deadly threat also is important. We learned just recently that if you knock on a person's door at night, the person in the house is justified in shooting you through the door without even opening the door or looking out a window. In this case, the man knocking on the door was a friend of the family who had left the house just ten minutes previously, but returned to pick up something he had forgotten previously. But the bullet missed him, and instead hit and killed a man walking by on the sidewalk. Collateral damage, they call it. Quite justified.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 6:46:35 GMT -5
Yes, it doesn't seem to matter how bizarre, how untrue, how biased, if the public believe us then it's truth! How crazy is that? A crazy strategy perhaps; taking advantage of and garnishing majority support and with the hope of garnishing majority rule, me think, but I might be wrong.
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Post by snow on Mar 22, 2015 10:45:13 GMT -5
umm correct me if I'm wrong but isn't murder illegal no matter who it is? Why would anyone even consider this? Well ... "murder" is indeed illegal, but murder is only "illegal" killing. Lots of kinds of killing is "legal" in various states. In Louisiana it turns out to be legal to shoot someone walking across your lawn. It may have changed, but the law in Texas used to permit a man to shoot his wife if he found her in bed with another man. In this state killing is only legal if one is confronted with a deadly threat, but the definition of what constitutes a deadly threat also is important. We learned just recently that if you knock on a person's door at night, the person in the house is justified in shooting you through the door without even opening the door or looking out a window. In this case, the man knocking on the door was a friend of the family who had left the house just ten minutes previously, but returned to pick up something he had forgotten previously. But the bullet missed him, and instead hit and killed a man walking by on the sidewalk. Collateral damage, they call it. Quite justified. I still have a hard time believing anyone needs to support something, even in the initial stages, that says killing gays is ok! That's just crazy!
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 22, 2015 16:09:33 GMT -5
Well ... "murder" is indeed illegal, but murder is only "illegal" killing. Lots of kinds of killing is "legal" in various states. In Louisiana it turns out to be legal to shoot someone walking across your lawn. It may have changed, but the law in Texas used to permit a man to shoot his wife if he found her in bed with another man. In this state killing is only legal if one is confronted with a deadly threat, but the definition of what constitutes a deadly threat also is important. We learned just recently that if you knock on a person's door at night, the person in the house is justified in shooting you through the door without even opening the door or looking out a window. In this case, the man knocking on the door was a friend of the family who had left the house just ten minutes previously, but returned to pick up something he had forgotten previously. But the bullet missed him, and instead hit and killed a man walking by on the sidewalk. Collateral damage, they call it. Quite justified. I still have a hard time believing anyone needs to support something, even in the initial stages, that says killing gays is ok! That's just crazy! It's actually not that uncommon an attitude in this country. You'd be shocked at the casual use of the term "killing" in this country for people they don't like.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 22, 2015 16:16:19 GMT -5
But what OK makes a law will not be carried out in the other states. There is the matter of setting a precedent. No, an Oklahoma law would not apply in any other state. But you know that what one state gets away with, others will do the same until someone gets hurt by the law and has a "reason" to appeal it all the way to the US Supreme Court. Nothing will happen to fix such a law until someone gets hurt by it and thus gains standing to sue -- and then has the financial means and all the time needed to pursue the matter all the way to the Supreme Court. As far as some of these legislatures are concerned it really doesn't matter to them whether the law is constitutional or not, it gives them the opportunity to harass people with it until long after they can be kicked out of office.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 23, 2015 21:25:29 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Mar 23, 2015 22:48:51 GMT -5
LOL I know, oh the irony! I heard today that he's going to revoke his Canadian citizenship. So glad to hear that. He'll be a great fit for the Republicans! Don't make him president though. I don't think the world could handle that!
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Post by snow on Mar 24, 2015 10:02:00 GMT -5
I guess he has revoked it already. Last May apparently. Good. We probably have some more you can have.... lol
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Post by xna on Mar 24, 2015 20:53:56 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 24, 2015 23:29:31 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 26, 2015 17:44:57 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 5, 2015 19:00:01 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 10, 2015 12:22:02 GMT -5
Problem solved:
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 10, 2015 13:17:05 GMT -5
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