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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 19:09:36 GMT -5
Some people have strong personalities. And when they become a worker (especially an overseer) with unchecked authority, this strong personality cause them to push other people around. Few human beings are just enough to handle unchecked authority. I can think of some self willed and quite overbearing types in the Harvest Field.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 19:16:17 GMT -5
Some get so obsessed about Workers, don't they? Some couldn't hear the Gospel because they were focused upon the speaker. Just like the Galileans did when Jesus was in the Ministry.
Yeah, Paul was considered a "strong personality." Or at least that's how some saw him. But others despised his "weak bodily presence"
Some say Jesus was "charismatic" and others despised his meekness and simplicity, and for not standing up for himself.
Both carried the authority of God. Says that if we despise human authority we will despise heavenly authority too. And this is what has happened here.
And then... the same people seek to be the AUTHORITY themselves, don't they?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 19:49:35 GMT -5
Both carried the authority of God. Says that if we despise human authority we will despise heavenly authority too. And this is what has happened here. ****** Where does human authority begin and end? Seems like this authority varies from region to region, for some strange reason. NT elders weren't supposed to LORD OVER THE FLOCK.
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Post by bubbles on Jan 30, 2015 21:26:16 GMT -5
Some people have strong personalities. And when they become a worker (especially an overseer) with unchecked authority, this strong personality cause them to push other people around. Few human beings are just enough to handle unchecked authority. I can think of some self willed and quite overbearing types in the Harvest Field. How do you deal with these strong willed characters? Authority you speak of isnt the godly spiritual kind I take it? Anyone pushing controling or manipulating people is just that. Personilty issues. Nothing to do with spiritual authority which involves prayer/spiritual warfare etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 21:44:38 GMT -5
Depends, Bubbles. What is suspiciously missing in this conversation is c.o.n.t.e.x.t.
You can say that Peter, advising elders not to "Lord over" others, is itself a form of "lording." All the Epistles, like the Gospels, concern authority. About 50% of their verses concern things you should do. They are usually, inevitably, never quoted here - only the "lording" bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 22:56:05 GMT -5
Religion was invented by Human beings for two reasons, make money, give some people authority to control other lives. Some people enjoy the feeling of power,controlling others. That is why it is better to deal direct with God, you will save money, and have a much happier life.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 23:12:05 GMT -5
Religion was invented by Human beings for two reasons, make money, give some people authority to control other lives. Some people enjoy the feeling of power,controlling others. That is why it is better to deal direct with God, you will save money, and have a much happier life. What happens when the bible tells you to "obey them which have the rule over you?" or is the bible itself a part of the "religion" problem?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 31, 2015 0:04:56 GMT -5
Religion was invented by Human beings for two reasons, make money, give some people authority to control other lives. Some people enjoy the feeling of power,controlling others. That is why it is better to deal direct with God, you will save money, and have a much happier life. All religions (& "GODS") were created by human-kind in order to try to explain what was happening to them & their environment. .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 0:05:01 GMT -5
The law of the land Bert. Nothing to do with religion, more to do with politics.
The bible like all books was written by humans, that is why there are so many different versions. That is a bit of a problem. But it is a good book.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 0:16:11 GMT -5
But the "versions" HAVE to be here, otherwise we would be learning Greek or Hebrew to read them. Generally all versions (at least the sensible ones) agree. There has been a serious effort for 2,000 years to transcribe the bible in a faithful word for word sense. And over and above transcribing A word, there is the general theme of the scripture which is clear in ALL versions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 0:55:41 GMT -5
The law of the land Bert. Nothing to do with religion, more to do with politics. The bible like all books was written by humans, that is why there are so many different versions. That is a bit of a problem. But it is a good book. so God had nothing to do with scripture?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 1:10:35 GMT -5
The law of the land Bert. Nothing to do with religion, more to do with politics. The bible like all books was written by humans, that is why there are so many different versions. That is a bit of a problem. But it is a good book. so God had nothing to do with scripture? No more or less than any other book that is written.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 1:10:53 GMT -5
Repeat from earlier post Jacob's prophecy of his Judah, from who's line Jesus symbolically came from.
Genesis 49:10 The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he to whom it belongs shall come and the obedience of the nations shall be his.
There shall come a nation from you and your eleven brothers. It will have a monarchy (though God doesn't approve of it) and it will have a law. And this nation, this monarchy and this law will end when the Messiah comes. And this Messiah shall be honored in all the world.
If this came from just a man - then how was this prophecy possible?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 1:12:32 GMT -5
so God had nothing to do with scripture? No more or less than any other book that is written. so no point to it then
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 1:53:32 GMT -5
Think about it. Our mind like life itself is God given. Not invented or developed by humans. If I wrote a book I could say God made me do it. I know that nobody would want to read it.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 31, 2015 2:13:06 GMT -5
Repeat from earlier post Jacob's prophecy of his Judah, from who's line Jesus symbolically came from. Genesis 49:10 The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he to whom it belongs shall come and the obedience of the nations shall be his.There shall come a nation from you and your eleven brothers. It will have a monarchy (though God doesn't approve of it) and it will have a law. And this nation, this monarchy and this law will end when the Messiah comes. And this Messiah shall be honored in all the world. If this came from just a man - then how was this prophecy possible? Where does this interpretation of Genesis 49:10 come from? "There shall come a nation from you and your eleven brothers. It will have a monarchy (though God doesn't approve of it) and it will have a law. And this nation, this monarchy and this law will end when the Messiah comes. And this Messiah shall be honored in all the world."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 2:33:59 GMT -5
Think about it. Our mind like life itself is God given. Not invented or developed by humans. If I wrote a book I could say God made me do it. I know that nobody would want to read it. so in your mind God had nothing to do with the Bible
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 2:49:59 GMT -5
No I said God gave us life itself, that also includes our mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 3:40:59 GMT -5
Quote Dmmichgood "Where does this interpretation of Genesis 49:10 come from?"
Genesis 49:10 The scepter Future monarchy will not depart Not end from Judah, the Judaen kings nor the ruler's staff The Law of Moses from between his feet, not from Judah but in his care until he to whom it belongs The real King, the Messiah shall come one of many references to TWO comings of the Messiah in the OT and the obedience not just believing He is the Messiah, but obeying Him. of the nations Not excluding Jews but meant for the Gentiles. shall be his. A man, to whom everything, including ourselves, belongs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 4:18:17 GMT -5
Some get so obsessed about Workers, don't they? Some couldn't hear the Gospel because they were focused upon the speaker. Just like the Galileans did when Jesus was in the Ministry. Yeah, Paul was considered a "strong personality." Or at least that's how some saw him. But others despised his "weak bodily presence" Some say Jesus was "charismatic" and others despised his meekness and simplicity, and for not standing up for himself. Both carried the authority of God. Says that if we despise human authority we will despise heavenly authority too. And this is what has happened here. And then... the same people seek to be the AUTHORITY themselves, don't they? Pure and simple- human nature and Behavioural pattern, isn't it? Need anymore be said?
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Post by blacksheep on Jan 31, 2015 11:39:36 GMT -5
There is no shortage of people who will volunteer to have authority over you if you would just allow them. They have plenty of reasons of why they should have such authority, some even feel that quoting Bible verses somehow gives weight to their claim. I have very little sympathy for consenting adults who engage in such behavior.....I do pity the children who have to witness their parent's gullibility.
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Post by Greg on Jan 31, 2015 11:50:00 GMT -5
Some people have strong personalities. And when they become a worker (especially an overseer) with unchecked authority, this strong personality cause them to push other people around. Few human beings are just enough to handle unchecked authority. I can think of some self willed and quite overbearing types in the Harvest Field. What is a "strong personality"? How many workers have unchecked authority?
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Post by xna on Jan 31, 2015 12:07:52 GMT -5
“Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence.” ― Leonardo da Vinci
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Post by snow on Jan 31, 2015 12:54:57 GMT -5
The law of the land Bert. Nothing to do with religion, more to do with politics. The bible like all books was written by humans, that is why there are so many different versions. That is a bit of a problem. But it is a good book. so God had nothing to do with scripture? If he did he's one confused Dios! I guess my question here would be why you think the bible is a book written by God and yet you dismiss all the other sacred books that claim to be written by God? There are other sacred books out there that are quite profound and inspire deep thought and some of them don't even have the God writing them committing genocide every time he isn't loved or worshiped properly. Why would I want to worship a wrathful, jealous God? Why would I even believe such a being even exists? I mean really, why would an all powerful being need to do the things that have been said the God of the bible did? What would inspire anyone to worship a being like that in the first place? I have never been able to figure that out and was the main reason I quit professing at the age of 12. It horrified me when I finally read that part of the bible and started to ask questions of the workers about it and the exclusive teachings that my aunts and uncles who were not professing would be doomed to an eternity of hell. The way the 2x2's preach it, there will only be 2x2's in heaven. All the rest of humanity is going to hell. How many 2x2's exist on earth? Several 100,000 and diminishing rapidly? How many people will experience this eternal bliss based on that kind of mindset? A few 100,000? Is that really true?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 17:10:26 GMT -5
A strong personality wants to control and get their way. They see only one opinion on any issue-THEIR opinion. I heard about an old sister worker who was asked to leave the work because she "became too bossy".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 17:12:15 GMT -5
Religion was invented by Human beings for two reasons, make money, give some people authority to control other lives. Some people enjoy the feeling of power,controlling others. That is why it is better to deal direct with God, you will save money, and have a much happier life. Looks like everything was invented for similar reasons, schools, colleges, the army, police forces, businesses, prisons, etc etc. they all have bullies in them with authority and control over lives. Hey, some marriages too.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 1, 2015 19:49:35 GMT -5
A strong personality wants to control and get their way. They see only one opinion on any issue-THEIR opinion. I heard about an old sister worker who was asked to leave the work because she "became too bossy". Somehow, I doubt that was the reason she had to leave the work.
I've seen too many bossy sister workers and they never had to leave the work for that reason.
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Post by Greg on Feb 1, 2015 20:45:16 GMT -5
A strong personality wants to control and get their way. They see only one opinion on any issue-THEIR opinion. I heard about an old sister worker who was asked to leave the work because she "became too bossy". I think you are incorrect.
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