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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 12:23:34 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 12:26:47 GMT -5
I read too much of blaming children for possible problems on convention grounds. How about adults who "take liberties" with children on the grounds???
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Post by emy on Jan 26, 2015 20:03:13 GMT -5
I got this message when I clicked on your link:
This is a suspicious site. There is a higher than average probability that you will be exposed to malicious links or payloads.
Can you share a few points of it?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 26, 2015 21:08:25 GMT -5
I read too much of blaming children for possible problems on convention grounds. How about adults who "take liberties" with children on the grounds??? Some people just plain don't like kids, period.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 23:11:19 GMT -5
how about posting the rules to this site
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 23:23:52 GMT -5
Enough about Workers, Workers and more Workers. How about hearing about YOUR church rules Walker? And your home rules. And your work rules. And your relationship rules?
The implication of this typical sly thread is to show we have rules when we say we don't.
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Post by withlove on Jan 26, 2015 23:38:09 GMT -5
Enough about Workers, Workers and more Workers. How about hearing about YOUR church rules Walker? And your home rules. And your work rules. And your relationship rules? The implication of this typical sly thread is to show we have rules when we say we don't. Bert, again, this site is about your church. Not Bob's home life, or the what color the moon is on a Tuesday in the third week of August. If you want to talk about those things, fine by me, but constantly trying to change the subject and deflect attention away from the church and the workers is shooting into the wind.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 0:00:37 GMT -5
These are some of the accusations bandied around on the TMB over the years. I like to remind people of what they have said when they want to go on and on about nothing but Workers. In fact you can't help but notice that the ones who go on the most about Workers mention Jesus the least.
Quote #183 - All they do is talk about Workers instead of the bible Quote #227 - Talk about themselves rather than spiritual things Quote #337 - Don’t talk about the Bible and shut people off when they try to do so. Quote #43 - Don’t talk about the deceased at funerals, only Jesus Quote #10 - A thirteen year old girl attended three days of convention. She made the following uncoached observations that they didn't talk about Jesus very much.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 0:45:58 GMT -5
Enough about Workers, Workers and more Workers. How about hearing about YOUR church rules Walker? And your home rules. And your work rules. And your relationship rules? The implication of this typical sly thread is to show we have rules when we say we don't. Bert, again, this site is about your church. Not Bob's home life, or the what color the moon is on a Tuesday in the third week of August. If you want to talk about those things, fine by me, but constantly trying to change the subject and deflect attention away from the church and the workers is shooting into the wind. well then how come there is so much on this site not about our fellowship? i think Bertie's doing a wonderful job
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 0:48:02 GMT -5
Enough about Workers, Workers and more Workers. How about hearing about YOUR church rules Walker? And your home rules. And your work rules. And your relationship rules? The implication of this typical sly thread is to show we have rules when we say we don't. Bert, again, this site is about your church. Not Bob's home life, or the what color the moon is on a Tuesday in the third week of August. If you want to talk about those things, fine by me, but constantly trying to change the subject and deflect attention away from the church and the workers is shooting into the wind. acting withlove?
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Post by rational on Jan 27, 2015 1:12:37 GMT -5
Enough about Workers, Workers and more Workers. How about hearing about YOUR church rules Walker? And your home rules. And your work rules. And your relationship rules? The implication of this typical sly thread is to show we have rules when we say we don't. Bert, again, this site is about your church. Not Bob's home life, or the what color the moon is on a Tuesday in the third week of August. If you want to talk about those things, fine by me, but constantly trying to change the subject and deflect attention away from the church and the workers is shooting into the wind. This is a letter written almost 2 decades ago. What is the point of posting it now? What are the rules today?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 1:25:23 GMT -5
Bert, again, this site is about your church. Not Bob's home life, or the what color the moon is on a Tuesday in the third week of August. If you want to talk about those things, fine by me, but constantly trying to change the subject and deflect attention away from the church and the workers is shooting into the wind. This is a letter written almost 2 decades ago. What is the point of posting it now? What are the rules today? same as they never were
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 18:33:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 18:34:07 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 18:35:59 GMT -5
To answer Rational's question in a slightly different way, why study history in school since it is in the past? Don't ya think the present is influenced by the past?
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Post by rational on Jan 27, 2015 23:37:36 GMT -5
To answer Rational's question in a slightly different way, why study history in school since it is in the past? Don't ya think the present is influenced by the past? Your second post reflects your bias and the reason I questioned your motives for posting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 3:05:25 GMT -5
why didn't you post list of rules like i asked?
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Post by rational on Jan 28, 2015 9:42:12 GMT -5
why didn't you post list of rules like i asked? And what do the posted rules have to do with a report of an even older case of CSA?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 11:01:07 GMT -5
The rules show that Mr. Bennett was more concerned with noisy kids than perverted adults who abuse little children. Adults harm children more by abusing them than children do by being a bit loud on the grounds. HB had no problem with this elder being on the Saginaw grounds and even hung up on the reporter. Yet he sends out these rules to the meeting elders stressing such a quiet and orderly environment. I find it revolting that Mr. Bennett's priorities are misguided. Children are more likely to be harmed by adults than adults being distracted by crying babies. My goodness, it doesn't take a genius to figure this one out. And I know HB learned the importance of quiet grounds from Tharold Sylvester,Howard Mooney, Eldon Tenniswood and company.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 11:02:17 GMT -5
Virgo, I don't know how to copy from this saved document and paste it on TMB. If I did, I would do it. Maybe someone else here can do that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 11:08:16 GMT -5
How about hearing about YOUR church rules Walker? And your home rules. And your work rules. And your relationship rules? ^^^^ Bert, I don't oversee dozens of workers, several conventions and hundreds of friends under me. So I am not important enough to focus on. The Truth has no monopoly on such pettiness but this board isn't about other groups. I did post a video of an Oklahoma preacher going off on his church crowd on another board. Maybe these overseers should ask themselves WHY is there such a problem with convention noise in the dorms-maybe it is BORED kids. WIFI guest accounts might help. To think teens are going to quietly go to their dorms, read and meditate isn't realistic. Kids are going to be kids and when you take their fun stuff away, they will act up.
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Post by emy on Jan 28, 2015 13:05:05 GMT -5
First of all, I'm not so sure that Harold's idea of good convention behavior came through Tharold Sylvester,Howard Mooney, Eldon Tenniswood . I know where he was and was in meeting with him almost weekly until he was about 30 years old, or so. It was not anywhere near the West coast. It was after that he went in the work. Kids and teenagers will be noisy in any activity. Most conventions are held in climate conditions which allow for outdoor play or chatting. I don't think it is unreasonable for small children or even teenagers to be settled for the night by 10 PM. It's actually quite desirable if they need to be attentive and cooperative (reference: school bedtimes and behavior) the next day, especially if they need to get up early or even just in time to get to meeting. Quiet conversation or some little kids giggling is rarely complained about in women's dorms - can't speak for men. Maybe women are more tolerant. Even whispering after lights out is sometimes allowed if it doesn't go on too late or get too loud. I distinctly remember one convention night when several of us upper teenage girls took our chat to the restroom when we thought we might disturb the others. We were pretty sure our topic was earthshaking (though I don't recall anything specific now). I have no idea whether there was a specific problem when Harold wrote the letter, but if it was 2 decades ago, I can attest to the fact that he was a fairly youthful overseer and had not been so many years in the work even because he went in the work sometime after 1970.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 13:33:53 GMT -5
To answer Rational's question in a slightly different way, why study history in school since it is in the past? Don't ya think the present is influenced by the past? Your second post reflects your bias and the reason I questioned your motives for posting. Looks like a case of mud slinging to me, rational. The probability is: if one throws enough mud, some will stick.
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Post by SharonArnold on Jan 28, 2015 13:47:28 GMT -5
This is a letter written almost 2 decades ago. What is the point of posting it now? What are the rules today? same as they never were This is kind of funny. In the end, though, I think anybody who studies group dynamics recognizes that the most powerful/strongest rules are the unwritten ones. I am at peace with my 2X2 past. I had good parents and a great upbringing. I value the lessons I learned while part of that culture. However, I do feel that there is a subtext to 2X2 life that is diametrically opposed to what is often said. To people who are relatively grounded and self-confident, it really does not matter. Though it has been/can be harmful to others.
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Post by SharonArnold on Jan 28, 2015 14:11:39 GMT -5
When no rules are written down.... Some people complaints.
When rules (Harold's guidelines, and Eldon's church elders meetings) are written down... people still complaints. You can't win! People will find ways to complaints no matter what. Can't please everyone. Now, this is true! But by "unwritten rules" I was probably referencing something psychologically much deeper and darker.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 14:23:39 GMT -5
When no rules are written down.... Some people complaints.
When rules (Harold's guidelines, and Eldon's church elders meetings) are written down... people still complaints. You can't win! People will find ways to complaints no matter what. Can't please everyone. Smiling. All that God did for the children of Isreal they still complained'/murmured; and they had the commandments written down on the tablets too, oh boy! Didn't Moses have a hard time with them.
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Post by SharonArnold on Jan 28, 2015 15:54:51 GMT -5
Now, this is true! But by "unwritten rules" I was probably referencing something psychologically much deeper and darker. Can you give us some examples? Now, I've never really given this a lot of thought. But, you know, I think it might be rather therapeutic if I did - even if I don't feel I have too many unresolved issues. Off the top of my head, here are some examples: "You can't be yourself; you have to be like us." "If a worker says it, then it has to be more important than if someone further down the hierarchy says it." “No matter what you are thinking/feeling, you cannot express it if it is not politically correct. Furthermore, you probably shouldn’t even be thinking/feeling THAT.”
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Post by hberry on Jan 28, 2015 16:12:25 GMT -5
Can you give us some examples? Now, I've never really given this a lot of thought. But, you know, I think it might be rather therapeutic if I did - even if I don't feel I have too many unresolved issues. Off the top of my head, here are some examples: "You can't be yourself; you have to be like us." "If a worker says it, then it has to be more important than if someone further down the hierarchy says it." “No matter what you are thinking/feeling, you cannot express it if it is not politically correct. Furthermore, you probably shouldn’t even be thinking/feeling THAT.” Or: 'the fact that you are even asking that question indicates there's a problem.'
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