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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 21, 2015 23:38:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 16:55:58 GMT -5
On the other hand, following the instruction to remain in the vehicle, with hands in plain sight might just well be good advice.
We hear much of those shot by police, but rarely of all the wonderful and public service minded police officers, men and women, shot and killed each year by those who cannot submit to law and order. If my memory serves me correctly law enforcement officers were shot and killed last year at rate a little over 4 per week.
Our family continues to grieve our nephew officer of the law killed by a person who had no need to have done so. He and his partner were responding to a vague bank robbery call, without drawn weapons, and shot once the police had passed the perp, who took that opportunity to murder one and maim the other for life.
Personally, I am simply fed up with those who try to discredit police at every opportunity. I simply have no more respect for them than they reveal they have for the majority of wonderful men and women seeking public safety. Or, for that matter than such people likely have for my point of view expressed here. Enough is enough, Bob, and I've simply had enough of such posts as this made for the express purpose to discredit the wrong people.
Yes, I have had some bad experiences. I obeyed the instructions given me by literally terrified law enforcement officers. Things worked out okay in the end. On the other hand, I have been in law enforcement uniform, and even helped some while not in uniform, when it was needed. That was much appreciated by them for my having done so.
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Post by fixit on Jan 23, 2015 19:26:55 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 23, 2015 20:57:49 GMT -5
On the other hand, following the instruction to remain in the vehicle, with hands in plain sight might just well be good advice.
We hear much of those shot by police, but rarely of all the wonderful and public service minded police officers, men and women, shot and killed each year by those who cannot submit to law and order. If my memory serves me correctly law enforcement officers were shot and killed last year at rate a little over 4 per week.
Our family continues to grieve our nephew officer of the law killed by a person who had no need to have done so. He and his partner were responding to a vague bank robbery call, without drawn weapons, and shot once the police had passed the perp, who took that opportunity to murder one and maim the other for life.
Personally, I am simply fed up with those who try to discredit police at every opportunity. I simply have no more respect for them than they reveal they have for the majority of wonderful men and women seeking public safety. Or, for that matter than such people likely have for my point of view expressed here. Enough is enough, Bob, and I've simply had enough of such posts as this made for the express purpose to discredit the wrong people.
Yes, I have had some bad experiences. I obeyed the instructions given me by literally terrified law enforcement officers. Things worked out okay in the end. On the other hand, I have been in law enforcement uniform, and even helped some while not in uniform, when it was needed. That was much appreciated by them for my having done so. We all know that the majority of police officers are probably upright officers. But when a police force refuses to prosecute their own offenders, they're damaging the reputation of the whole force. And we have the right to complain about both the "incompetent" officers and whoever defends them. Have you ever had a police officer yell obscenities at you? Where I live they talk that way to middle school students most of the time.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 24, 2015 0:20:16 GMT -5
On the other hand, following the instruction to remain in the vehicle, with hands in plain sight might just well be good advice.
We hear much of those shot by police, but rarely of all the wonderful and public service minded police officers, men and women, shot and killed each year by those who cannot submit to law and order. If my memory serves me correctly law enforcement officers were shot and killed last year at rate a little over 4 per week.
Our family continues to grieve our nephew officer of the law killed by a person who had no need to have done so. He and his partner were responding to a vague bank robbery call, without drawn weapons, and shot once the police had passed the perp, who took that opportunity to murder one and maim the other for life.
Personally, I am simply fed up with those who try to discredit police at every opportunity. I simply have no more respect for them than they reveal they have for the majority of wonderful men and women seeking public safety. Or, for that matter than such people likely have for my point of view expressed here. Enough is enough, Bob, and I've simply had enough of such posts as this made for the express purpose to discredit the wrong people.
Yes, I have had some bad experiences. I obeyed the instructions given me by literally terrified law enforcement officers. Things worked out okay in the end. On the other hand, I have been in law enforcement uniform, and even helped some while not in uniform, when it was needed. That was much appreciated by them for my having done so. We all know that the majority of police officers are probably upright officers. But when a police force refuses to prosecute their own offenders, they're damaging the reputation of the whole force. And we have the right to complain about both the "incompetent" officers and whoever defends them. Have you ever had a police officer yell obscenities at you? Where I live they talk that was to middle school students most of the time. In our small town our police officers are some of the best. Our county police are likewise & have bent over over backward sometimes to understand & help us. But we simply cannot ignore areas of the country & some police officers that are NOT like that!"No man is an island, entire of itself; if a clod be washed awa by the sea, Europe is the less, as if a promontory were; is well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were;
any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
it tolls for thee."
I keep this quote from John Donne hanging on my bedroom wall to remind me of this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 0:55:11 GMT -5
We all know that the majority of police officers are probably upright officers. But when a police force refuses to prosecute their own offenders, they're damaging the reputation of the whole force. And we have the right to complain about both the "incompetent" officers and whoever defends them.
Have you ever had a police officer yell obscenities at you? No, Sir, I have not. Have you? In fact I've not heard any law enforcement officer ever address someone in such a manner except on some of these videos. How about others reading here? Have any of you been addressed in such a manner?
Smiles, I remember once receiving a series of citations by a rather rude and dishonest cop. The fine for all my supposed infractions would have come to about $200.00 in 1964 -- pulled over for driving a 1932 Plymouth coupe 60 miles per hour up 136th street, a huge hill and my old borrowed Plymouth could never have done 60 miles per hour up that hill even when it was brand new!
The officer lied about following me off Des Moines Way and up 136th street never letting me out of his sight. After he testified, I asked if I could speak a few words in my defense and was given that right. I explained the vehicle had been loaned to me during a short intervening period until I could complete a Boeing Assignment prior to becoming a preacher having already sold all my possessions giving the money away to the poor, and leaving in two days to go join another preacher in southern Idaho with only a few dollars in my pocket after paying for my bus fare from Seattle to Lewiston, Idaho, and that I would just have to sit in jail to pay the 200$ fine (couldn't find either the registration or my drver's license which I did have with me both on the day I was arrested and in court.
Judge said "I find it highly unusual for an officer to lie under oath in court, but even more unusual for someone leaving an excellent engineering job at Boeing to sell all, giving up an Olds 442 and all monies to go preach, to lie under oath. Dismissed young man.
Where I live they talk that was to middle school students most of the time.[/quote]Assuming your poor grammar here really means something else, I cannot help but wonder how you could either know this, or have heard it for yourself? What interaction does the average 12 to 15 year old even HAVE with law enforcement to allow someone like you to make such a generalization, anyway? I certainly don't believe this statement. [/font]
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 24, 2015 1:32:19 GMT -5
We all know that the majority of police officers are probably upright officers. But when a police force refuses to prosecute their own offenders, they're damaging the reputation of the whole force. And we have the right to complain about both the "incompetent" officers and whoever defends them.
Have you ever had a police officer yell obscenities at you? No, Sir, I have not. Have you? In fact I've not heard any law enforcement officer ever address someone in such a manner except on some of these videos. How about others reading here? Have any of you been addressed in such a manner?
Smiles, I remember once receiving a series of citations by a rather rude and dishonest cop. The fine for all my supposed infractions would have come to about $200.00 in 1964 -- pulled over for driving a 1932 Plymouth coupe 60 miles per hour up 136th street, a huge hill and my old borrowed Plymouth could never have done 60 miles per hour up that hill even when it was brand new!
The officer lied about following me off Des Moines Way and up 136th street never letting me out of his sight. After he testified, I asked if I could speak a few words in my defense and was given that right. I explained the vehicle had been loaned to me during a short intervening period until I could complete a Boeing Assignment prior to becoming a preacher having already sold all my possessions giving the money away to the poor, and leaving in two days to go join another preacher in southern Idaho with only a few dollars in my pocket after paying for my bus fare from Seattle to Lewiston, Idaho, and that I would just have to sit in jail to pay the 200$ fine (couldn't find either the registration or my drver's license which I did have with me both on the day I was arrested and in court.
Judge said "I find it highly unusual for an officer to lie under oath in court, but even more unusual for someone leaving an excellent engineering job at Boeing to sell all, giving up an Olds 442 and all monies to go preach, to lie under oath. Dismissed young man.
Where I live they talk that was to middle school students most of the time.Assuming your poor grammar here really means something else, I cannot help but wonder how you could either know this, or have heard it for yourself? What interaction does the average 12 to 15 year old even HAVE with law enforcement to allow someone like you to make such a generalization, anyway? I certainly don't believe this statement. Dennis, I don't understand why you would think that this is "poor grammar?" No doubt the word "was" was a misspelling and meant "way."
Indeed, 14 -15 year old's, especially boys & especially black boys, -find themselves in interactions with police officers.
Once my 8 year old son was stopped on his way home from school by a officer that was a petty despot in our town at the time.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 24, 2015 2:53:05 GMT -5
We all know that the majority of police officers are probably upright officers. But when a police force refuses to prosecute their own offenders, they're damaging the reputation of the whole force. And we have the right to complain about both the "incompetent" officers and whoever defends them.
Have you ever had a police officer yell obscenities at you? No, Sir, I have not. Have you? In fact I've not heard any law enforcement officer ever address someone in such a manner except on some of these videos. How about others reading here? Have any of you been addressed in such a manner?
I've never been addressed by cops like that either. In fact, I perceive why. [/font][/font][/quote] Proper procedure for a judge who determines that a police officer has lied in court, is to write to the chief of police and inform him that the said officer is no longer permitted to testify in his court room because he has been found to lie under oath. That makes the officer no longer of any use to the police force, and is supposed to be fired. My daughter, who worked in the office of the chief of police, told me that this happens here about once a month. It appears that not all judges bother to write such letters. [/font] [/quote] Actually, my grammar is right on. Unlike most elderly WASPs, I did not insulate myself from the types that the cops curse at. As a teacher at a court continuation middle school I know perfectly well how the police deal with middle school children. I spent 42 years teaching adolescents. I have been a problem for law enforcement officers who overstepped their jurisdiction and violated the privacy of minority students in the school yard, as well as the (racist) school administrators who allowed the police to do it. I tutored one "minority" student who went to court about a $900.00 ticket for driving with one missing taillight, and was informed by the judge that he should be in prison. The kid knew what the word "prison" meant, but he didn't understand most of the rest of the procedure. But I had my students memorize the phrase, "Them your honor, you will have to appoint me an attorney because I have no money to pay for one." That's how you get an apology from both police officers and judges -- how many WASP adolescents need to be tutored in such language to make their trip home from school safer? And in case anyone is wondering, this kid was not an immigrant -- his parents were expatriate Americans who raised him in several Spanish speaking countries (Mexico not one of them) before returning to the US. For years I herded, accompanied by police officer(s), middle school kids onto buses every afternoon. Obscenity was common, and I'd have been promptly fired for saying one of those words just once. It was not uncommon for a police officer to come into my classroom and use obscenity with the students. The police officers got off with it. The principal succeeded in keeping probation officers out of the classrooms because of their language. This school had grades 6, 7, and 8 only. I was the character education teacher -- how was I to explain to those kids that police officers were to be "respected" for the treatment they received from them every day of their lives? Those kids were routinely suspended for using such language in class -- and that's the kind of help I got from the police with character educating the students. And yes, I also know lots of high level gang members -- they've never lied to me or cussed at me, and they were quite frank about why.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 24, 2015 7:01:41 GMT -5
Years ago in New Zealand, several police lied about evidence, planted evidence and obtained a conviction for murder against an innocent man. Arthur Alan Thomas. It took ten years to free him. the unfortunate consequence of actions like the ones just mentioned is that one or two bad apples completely taint the whole barrell. That may well be the case in the USA as well. I also wore a uniform, one of my shift partners could only be described as shifty. He later shot and killed a man which was totally unnecessary. For the NZers reading this the shot guy was Stephen Wallace of Waitara. My shift partner and I went to Karate together, also Hapkido. He had the skills to deal with him without resorting to a firearm. But when push come to shove, the guy took the easy road and pulled the trigger instead of engaging with him by other means. there are numerous other incidents. Consequently all these little incidents mount up and and the population lose respect for those in uniform.
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Post by What Hat on Jan 24, 2015 10:39:09 GMT -5
Sad to say, a significant portion of people under 30 in this part of Canada no longer respect the police. One incident that greatly exacerbated the issue was kettling and locking up 2000 young protesters for 72 hours in cages in a warehouse during the G7 summit here in 2010. Only 2000, but by my calculation each of those individuals influenced the attitudes of from 100 to 1000 individuals concerning police behaviour. So how many people is that? The event is still in the news four years later. www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/tvo-host-steve-paikin-describes-seeing-kettling-at-g20-1.2843957
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 24, 2015 12:47:09 GMT -5
Here's the reason why older WASPs can't appreciate the situation of minority kids -- especially minorities of color. To start with, they live in their own safe neighborhoods and don't have to walk on the streets, mingle "WITH" crowds, and share their days with unsuccessful people. They've come to believe that is life in America - the American dream. They don't really have to be afraid if a policeman stops them for speeding -- not even if they have a gun in the car now that it's become their civil right.
But their grand kids and great grandkids go to school with everyone. They sit beside them all day every day, for the first 12+ years outside their safe little home. Unless their parents continuously poison them with racist judgment, they know perfectly well that there is not one thing different between them and any other kid, no matter what they look like. By the time they have gotten into middle school, where they become more aware of how people (one a day, or even a week, is plenty to enforce the lesson) disrespect their friends (they don't think of them as kids of color, they are their "friends") because they are no longer those cute little minority babies ...... believe me, they know darn well who it is that harasses them most. I was six years old when I had figured out who every crabby adult was between my house and school, and I never once blamed kind people for their crabbiness. And I made sure I walked on the other side of the street when I had to pass their house on the way home from school. By the time they reach high school (age 14 for many of them) they can have as many as 3200 peers of shared experience to empathize with, and when one of them gets arrested for the likes of a murder -- are they not suspicious -- or extremely curious at least?
I've watched it myself. In my last year at a high school before I went to middle school, a student at the school was arrested for murder. It was a short investigation. It occurred at an intersection in a strip of undeveloped desert in the city. The one witness who saw the suspect running away from the vehicle as he (the witness) approached the scene, named the suspect who ran. He was arrested the next day at school - and kept in jail (that's "gaol for a lot of you) long enough that he failed his year at school. But, a convenience store owner who knew the kid had waited on him in his store about the time the murder was committed. (BTW: There was about a 4 minute window when the murder had to have been committed.) The store owner reviewed his security camera tape and discovered the student had been in his store about 2 minutes after the murder was committed. The store was a full mile from the scene. Guess what color(s) the murder victim, the witness, and the suspect were -- 6 possible combinations, and the first 3 don't count. Guess how many of the 3200 students in school thought the police got the right man -- you're right -- the handful of white supremacist gang members on campus.
Don't worry, everyone knew that two other kids from the school actually shot and killed someone that year - quite without knowing it one of them picked the garage of a police officer to burglarize ..... and the police officer shot first and missed. Everyone acknowledged that they were guilty.
Cops behave like workers. Everyone does exactly what they ask them to do because everyone knows the chaos that would result if it were not that way. However, occasionally there is some disrespectful ingrate who will call a worker on his/her error and subsequent cover-up ... and the rest of the congregation accepts the explanation that the accuser just had a bad spirit, and should be avoided because the spirit was dangerous. Even the occasional person who knows exactly what the worker was up to will refuse to even acknowledge it to anyone because it is simply not what one does when your (eternal) life depends on the approval of the workers.
Any bitter exes here relate to that comparison?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 14:11:40 GMT -5
May I use this opportunity to thank you for your service, CWSM?
Bob, I do live not as a WASP, a term which I consider as disrespectful as any other term so intended to be, but rather as an ambitious, hard working, now physically aging, infirm man still learning from my, and the mistakes of others, for I do not have time to make them all. So, I do what I can with the talent and gifts I have been given. I am one of the most fortunate of men, despite any and all the misfortune that has befallen me in life. One of the ways I have been the most fortunate, is to have love from two of the most wonderful women.
The other side of the coin? Disinherited from family wealth, saddened and disillusioned as a result of childhood indoctrination and my own desires to please, has indeed brought many sorrows upon me. Yet they have not made me bitter in any way, helping me embrace others causes. So very many do have things much worse off than me, as I am reminded with nearly weekly trips to VA medical facilities to keep me on my feet, so to express it. There are Women who are Vets as well, even disabled. Vets are kinda like law enforcement officers, in that they come in every possible configuration and condition. Once we were forced, like slaves, to serve. Fewer and fewer are aware of such inhumane treatment once given so many over the history of man.
Vets and law enforcement officers are similar to instructors who get to chose paths of all sorts, or any other chosen method of keeping self and one's family alive and prospering. The vast majority are decent people, none more deserving of honor and respect than those who risk all for others. This generalization of people that grows in this forum is flatly unwise, unkind, unjust, and to my mind plainly does not belong as part of discourse here. Now I've expressed my piece, and time for me to move on...
BTW, once when I had been honored for some scholastic ability at about half way to my present age, I was confronted by some of a minority race who surrounded me with questions they thought proved I was not so smart, i.e. "how do you pimp a woman?" and "how do you market drugs to get everything you want?" Some posts in this forum remind me of that group force. They even intended doing me some bodily harm. Being a hostile situation control martial arts instructor, I was able to walk away untouched.
Now back to mundane F.O.R.D. ( Fix Or Repair Daily) life.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 24, 2015 15:23:41 GMT -5
May I use this opportunity to thank you for your service, CWSM?
Bob, I do live not as a WASP, a term which I consider as disrespectful as any other term so intended to be, but rather as an ambitious, hard working, now physically aging, infirm man still learning from my, and the mistakes of others, for I do not have time to make them all. So, I do what I can with the talent and gifts I have been given. I am one of the most fortunate of men, despite any and all the misfortune that has befallen me in life. One of the ways I have been the most fortunate, is to have love from two of the most wonderful women.
The other side of the coin? Disinherited from family wealth, saddened and disillusioned as a result of childhood indoctrination and my own desires to please, has indeed brought many sorrows upon me. Yet they have not made me bitter in any way, helping me embrace others causes. So very many do have things much worse off than me, as I am reminded with nearly weekly trips to VA medical facilities to keep me on my feet, so to express it. There are Women who are Vets as well, even disabled. Vets are kinda like law enforcement officers, in that they come in every possible configuration and condition. Once we were forced, like slaves, to serve. Fewer and fewer are aware of such inhumane treatment once given so many over the history of man.
Vets and law enforcement officers are similar to instructors who get to chose paths of all sorts, or any other chosen method of keeping self and one's family alive and prospering. The vast majority are decent people, none more deserving of honor and respect than those who risk all for others. This generalization of people that grows in this forum is flatly unwise, unkind, unjust, and to my mind plainly does not belong as part of discourse here. Now I've expressed my piece, and time for me to move on...
BTW, once when I had been honored for some scholastic ability at about half way to my present age, I was confronted by some of a minority race who surrounded me with questions they thought proved I was not so smart, i.e. "how do you pimp a woman?" and "how do you market drugs to get everything you want?" Some posts in this forum remind me of that group force. They even intended doing me some bodily harm. Being a hostile situation control martial arts instructor, I was able to walk away untouched.
Now back to mundane F.O.R.D. ( Fix Or Repair Daily) life. Dennis, in all due respect, whether you live like a WASP (WHITE ANGLO SAXON PROTESTANT) or not, you look the part and an elderly one at that, which causes the police force to automatically give you more respect.
Not only the police, but everyone you meet will probably do the same.
A serial sex killer, a con man, an ex-Nazi concentration camp murderer, -might all look the same & get the same respect.
A young black man hunched up walking fast because it is cold with a hoodie on would be completely viewed differently.
For absolutely no other reason than that HE is a B.L.A.CK. young man.
You said: "Some posts in this forum remind me of that group force. "
Are you likening people on this forum, who try to put such issues in perspective, to that group who harassed you?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 24, 2015 16:07:09 GMT -5
[ BTW, once when I had been honored for some scholastic ability at about half way to my present age, I was confronted by some of a minority race who surrounded me with questions they thought proved I was not so smart, i.e. "how do you pimp a woman?" and "how do you market drugs to get everything you want?" Some posts in this forum remind me of that group force. They even intended doing me some bodily harm. Being a hostile situation control martial arts instructor, I was able to walk away untouched. Now back to mundane F.O.R.D. ( Fix Or Repair Daily) life. [/b][/font][/font][/font][/quote] I'm curious to know how you answered those test questions. And by the way -- I had too much fun doing my job to be thanked for my service. My polite response to the WASP (like XMAS, it's shorter that writing it out) is that I was just being myself doing my favorite job in the most conscientious manner possible ... producing products that WASPs don't really care for all that much.
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Post by terry on Jan 26, 2015 15:10:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 23:10:27 GMT -5
Bottom line for me? When an officer of the law says ?"FREEZE," or something like "stay in the car and keep your hands on the wheel," just do it.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 26, 2015 23:19:12 GMT -5
Bottom line for me? When an officer of the law says ?"FREEZE," or something like "stay in the car and keep your hands on the wheel," just do it. Dennis, you keep saying things like this: "When an officer of the law says ?"FREEZE," or something like "stay in the car and keep your hands on the wheel," just do it. "On the other hand, following the instruction to remain in the vehicle, with hands in plain sight might just well be good advice."
Dennis, Did you watch the video?
The man HAD BOTH of his hands in sight! They were shown to be out of the driver's side window when the officer went to the front of the car & shot through the windshield!
Look at the video!
news.yahoo.com/video-shows-man-shot-jersey-police-raising-hands-150049422.html
I can't seem to get it to pull up the site even though I copied the one from Bob's original post.
Just go back to Bob's post & you can see the video.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 14:00:39 GMT -5
Unless one is simply pig-headed it seems to me as though my advice to just do as they are told without trying to show off that they do not HAVE to do as they are told, by some way or another, the simplest and wisest thing to do is to follow those commands. Freeze, remain in the car hands in sight means just that, and not get out of the car make a half hearted attempt to raise hands in any manner an officer could interpret as something dangerous to them.
But, then people call me a WASP, when I've never once been a Protestant in my entire life!
I just won't be bullied, here or anywhere else. Good day.
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Post by terry on Jan 28, 2015 15:27:13 GMT -5
So do you feel that not instantly obeying a police officer is a capital offense, giving the officer the right to take a life? Oh, and the number of police officers killed each has been steadily declining for 15 years or more. 2014 saw an increase, but the total is still below the last ten year average.
Please read about the huge rise in SWAT team raids of homes in the middle of the night, most often for misdemeanor crimes----including things ling possible student loan fraud, or a paraplegic in Florida for excess pain meds.
I feel the shooting in Ferguson was probably justified. The chokehold death for selling untaxed cigarettes in NYC was just plain murder.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 18:39:15 GMT -5
Aww, not you too, Terry?
Why do people not just accept sound advice and refrain from putting words in another's mouth? I stand by my words, giving sound advice, furthermore, I do not justify anyone's abuse of power, ever, under no condition.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2015 19:10:59 GMT -5
Aww, not you too, Terry?
Why do people not just accept sound advice and refrain from putting words in another's mouth? I stand by my words, giving sound advice, furthermore, I do not justify anyone's abuse of power, ever, under no condition. Your advice will only work for someone who understands what the cop is saying. I have friends who come to visit who wouldn't even recognize the word "freeze", say nothing about "get down on the ground and spread your legs and put your hands behind your head." Since it appears you believe your advice to be universally advisable, then it's obvious that you think they should expect to be shot simply because they don't understand. I actually don't think that's what you believe. I think it's more of a talking point intended to shield incompetent police officers from public scrutiny.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2015 19:15:49 GMT -5
Unless one is simply pig-headed it seems to me as though my advice to just do as they are told without trying to show off that they do not HAVE to do as they are told, by some way or another, the simplest and wisest thing to do is to follow those commands. Freeze, remain in the car hands in sight means just that, and not get out of the car make a half hearted attempt to raise hands in any manner an officer could interpret as something dangerous to them.
But, then people call me a WASP, when I've never once been a Protestant in my entire life!
I just won't be bullied, here or anywhere else. Good day. Are you having a rough day, Dennis?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 28, 2015 19:58:28 GMT -5
Unless one is simply pig-headed it seems to me as though my advice to just do as they are told without trying to show off that they do not HAVE to do as they are told, by some way or another, the simplest and wisest thing to do is to follow those commands. Freeze, remain in the car hands in sight means just that, and not get out of the car make a half hearted attempt to raise hands in any manner an officer could interpret as something dangerous to them.
But, then people call me a WASP, when I've never once been a Protestant in my entire life!
I just won't be bullied, here or anywhere else. Good day. Dennis, Have you actually looked at that video?
If so, why are you insinuating that someone is "simply pig-headed?"
Why do you think they were "trying to show off that they do not HAVE to do as they are told?"
Until one have actually seen the video no one can really make any accurate evaluation. ( and remember, the video was NOT "doctored " by any photo shop. It was taken "With the dashboard camera in their (police) cruiser."
Now, will you say whether or not that you HAVE seen the video?
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Post by terry on Jan 28, 2015 20:11:35 GMT -5
I'm certainly not trying to bully anyone, but it seems you're willing to bullied by the police. My son has investigated and written extensively on this issue for the last 6 or 7 years and it's certainly changed my view. Here's a new article regarding SWAT teams raids on poker games. Granted, they're breaking the law (which I happen to think is ridiculous, but to use a SWAT team to raid a home they've raided before with NO violence, aren't the police provoking the violence? How about a SWAT raid to arrest someone who was baited into making a big bet by an under cover cop with a citizen with no criminal record and then killing him? In NYC, a rookie cop was chasing a suspect with his gun drawn, and fired accidentally--the bullet went thru an alley and killed a man walking down the street a block away. The police admitted it was an error on their part, but then published the criminal record of the man killed. How is that relevant? Does it make it better because the victim had been arrested? I respect the LEO's, and if stopped I'll comply with their orders as long as they are constitutional. I don't want to, and won't, live in fear of the government. And I will speak out when my fellow citizens constitutional rights are violated. www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/01/28/fairfax-police-stage-a-swat-raid-on-poker-players/
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