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Post by déjà vu on Dec 20, 2014 11:03:20 GMT -5
some believe that a Christian can be demonized what do you believe?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 20, 2014 11:18:34 GMT -5
No, for the one who becomes demonized is no longer a Christian!
Seems to me that this is what might be covered as well in John 3:16: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth on him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.
That phrase "should not perish" certainly covers those who lose their "grace' by taking on demonization, etc and other such things or qualifications that do not fit someone who "believes on Jesus Christ."
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Post by fred on Dec 20, 2014 18:55:08 GMT -5
some believe that a Christian can be demonized what do you believe? Depends on how you mean, all Christians are demonized by fundamental Islamists.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 20, 2014 19:17:19 GMT -5
some believe that a Christian can be demonized what do you believe? Yes. All people can be demonized. It does not necessarily mean they will become a demon, however. Demonization comes from outside a person, not from within.
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Post by Jason Storebo on Dec 28, 2014 16:28:55 GMT -5
I believe that there are dark entities & energies, that can connect with and affect humans, of all, or no religions. There are also such things as psychic, and psychological demons. Yeah they are always about; but always at some level they were invited to us once they first were attracted by, and then detected the energy of our own dark explorations & involvements and actually began to cooperate with one-another in dark ops, you might say. I think which ever type victimizes a person it can create personal havoc. I also believe these beings, those which we call angels, demons, and other things, are completely independent of any one religion.
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Post by déjà vu on Dec 28, 2014 17:15:20 GMT -5
1 John 4:4 -
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
the way I see it this verse answers this question.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 28, 2014 18:07:06 GMT -5
I believe that there are dark entities & energies, that can connect with and affect humans, of all, or no religions. There are also such things as psychic, and psychological demons. Yeah they are always about; but always at some level they were invited to us once they first were attracted by, and then detected the energy of our own dark explorations & involvements and actually began to cooperate with one-another in dark ops, you might say. I think which ever type victimizes a person it can create personal havoc. I also believe these beings, those which we call angels, demons, and other things, are completely independent of any one religion. Just as a starter lets talk about your term psychic Let's define the word "psychic" psychic
relating to or denoting faculties or phenomena that are apparently inexplicable by natural laws, especially involving telepathy or clairvoyance. "psychic powers"
How do you think the phenomena called "psychics" can overcome the natural laws of the universe & change those natural laws to do the bidding of anyone?
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Post by Gene on Dec 28, 2014 19:41:44 GMT -5
some believe that a Christian can be demonized what do you believe? If you want a relevant answer, you'll have to define "demonized." To help you out: Definition: Accused of being motivated by Satan rather than God. Answer: Yes, they can be accused of such. Definition: Being possessed by demons. Answer: No, a Christian cannot be possessed by demons. Answer: Or, Yes! A Christian can be possessed by demons! Definition: Transmogrified into a horny little red-skinned devil. Answer: Yes. Answer: Or, no!
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Post by déjà vu on Dec 28, 2014 19:49:58 GMT -5
you are right gene
i should change the o.p. to
Definition: Being possessed by demons.
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Post by Gene on Dec 28, 2014 19:55:57 GMT -5
you are right gene i should change the o.p. to Definition: Being possessed by demons. My answer: Nope. Christians cannot be possessed by demons. They are protected by the Holy Spirit from such. Which, I guess, means that the little girl in the movie "The Exorcist" was not a Christian. Or she was acting. Or both.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 28, 2014 20:30:16 GMT -5
you are right gene i should change the o.p. to Definition: Being possessed by demons. You do understand, I hope, that even asking such a question opens up the ways people have used to throughout history to get rid of people that were simply different?
Demons, instead of "germs" caused people to become ill & resulted in someone being blamed.
Demons, instead problems in one's brain caused epilepsy, mental illness, etc. (and of course treated accordingly)
The belief in "demons" being the cause of human problems shows nothing more than a lack of knowledge.
Either blaming the victim for something that they or others had done against a "god" is a dangerous path.
Just be aware of that.
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Post by snow on Dec 28, 2014 23:10:15 GMT -5
Thank you dmg.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 5:09:47 GMT -5
some believe that a Christian can be demonized what do you believe? Yes. All people can be demonized. It does not necessarily mean they will become a demon, however. Demonization comes from outside a person, not from within. In any case Christians are not really immune from anything as far as I know.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 6:05:41 GMT -5
Yes. All people can be demonized. It does not necessarily mean they will become a demon, however. Demonization comes from outside a person, not from within. In any case Christians are not really immune from anything as far as I know. They are immune from a trouble free life, but also from the sting of death!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 6:53:38 GMT -5
In any case Christians are not really immune from anything as far as I know. They are immune from a trouble free life, but also from the sting of death! Based on your statement, then I take it that they are NO Christians, am I right in that assumption?.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 7:39:15 GMT -5
They are immune from a trouble free life, but also from the sting of death! Based on your statement, then I take it that they are NO Christians, am I right in that assumption?. P/T Please explain how you come by your statement. I can easily quote from Jesus, Peter and Paul, et al, that tribulation and persecution are both certainties and necessities for the Christian life.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 8:29:58 GMT -5
Based on your statement, then I take it that they are NO Christians, am I right in that assumption?. P/T Please explain how you come by your statement. I can easily quote from Jesus, Peter and Paul, et al, that tribulation and persecution are both certainties and necessities for the Christian life. Exactly, so they are not immune from a trouble free life; tribulation and persecution is trouble, it is not all pleasant and snooth riding. Jesus Himself was not immune from a trouble free life when He was on earth. He was perfect and was well able to cope with it because it was sort of expected and pre planned. So suffering is part of a Christian's life, they are not immune from it at all. So it follows therefore in my opinion, that the only way they can be immune is if they are none at all to be immune. That is the basis of my statement, a logical conclusion. Ps. With reference to " the sting of death" 1 Cor. 15: 56-57 explains that and I have no differences with that.
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Post by matisse on Dec 29, 2014 11:08:30 GMT -5
I don't personally know anyone, Christian or otherwise, who has lived a trouble-free life. I can't think of any Christians I know personally who truly have been persecuted for their beliefs. This statement in the Bible that seems to almost require that Christians experience persecution strikes me as a root of what some have described as a "persecution complex" or "persecution fetish" among some Christians.
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 29, 2014 11:40:08 GMT -5
Personally, I agree with Matisee , that I have not faced persecution because of my belief. Maybe some mocking and ridicule, but that's to be expected? Persecution is what MANY people from MANY countries and varying beliefs and non beliefs have TRULY faced and that is SAD. The persecution has occurred by whatever "group" has the upper power. Very often, it is the abused who becomes the abuser. Alvin
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Post by snow on Dec 29, 2014 11:47:30 GMT -5
I don't personally know anyone, Christian or otherwise, who has lived a trouble-free life. I can't think of any Christians I know personally who truly have been persecuted for their beliefs. This statement in the Bible that seems to almost require that Christians experience persecution strikes me as a root of what some have described as a "persecution complex" or "persecution fetish" among some Christians. It's mostly a Paul thing. He was big into being persecuted, maybe because he felt guilty at doing the persecution before he got 'saved'? Who knows, but it wasn't a Jesus thing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 12:51:19 GMT -5
P/T Please explain how you come by your statement. I can easily quote from Jesus, Peter and Paul, et al, that tribulation and persecution are both certainties and necessities for the Christian life. Exactly, so they are not immune from a trouble free life; tribulation and persecution is trouble, it is not all pleasant and snooth riding. Jesus Himself was not immune from a trouble free life when He was on earth. He was perfect and was well able to cope with it because it was sort of expected and pre planned. So suffering is part of a Christian's life, they are not immune from it at all. So it follows therefore in my opinion, that the only way they can be immune is if they are none at all to be immune. That is the basis of my statement, a logical conclusion. Ps. With reference to " the sting of death" 1 Cor. 15: 56-57 explains that and I have no differences with that. I don't think you understood my original statement? I said Christians were "immune" from a trouble free life, i.e. they would get troubles in this life, by way of persecution and tribulations. They are immune from a life free of troubles.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 12:58:34 GMT -5
Exactly, so they are not immune from a trouble free life; tribulation and persecution is trouble, it is not all pleasant and snooth riding. Jesus Himself was not immune from a trouble free life when He was on earth. He was perfect and was well able to cope with it because it was sort of expected and pre planned. So suffering is part of a Christian's life, they are not immune from it at all. So it follows therefore in my opinion, that the only way they can be immune is if they are none at all to be immune. That is the basis of my statement, a logical conclusion. Ps. With reference to " the sting of death" 1 Cor. 15: 56-57 explains that and I have no differences with that. I don't think you understood my original statement? I said Christians were "immune" from a trouble free life, i.e. they would get troubles in this life, by way of persecution and tribulations. They are immune from a life free of troubles. Ok, got it. Sorry about the misunderstanding.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 13:03:56 GMT -5
I don't think you understood my original statement? I said Christians were "immune" from a trouble free life, i.e. they would get troubles in this life, by way of persecution and tribulations. They are immune from a life free of troubles. Ok, got it. Sorry about the misunderstanding. I'm afraid some of my statements are like my jokes. Flat! It's down to the way I tell them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 13:39:53 GMT -5
Ok, got it. Sorry about the misunderstanding. I'm afraid some of my statements are like my jokes. Flat! It's down to the way I tell them. You remind me of the Irish comedian Frank Carson who always said " it's the way I tell em" when he got a good response from the audience to a joke. Personally I Think that you are an asset to the forum, witty and seriously solid when necessary. I appreciate your postings, as they do normally have a balanced viewpoint.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 13:49:17 GMT -5
Hello, cousin. Happy Ne Year!
One time I asked a preacher returning from Asia if while there he saw anything he could not explain. The response was, "yes, the rock throwing." I questioned him at some length regarding it, and he firmly believed it was a result of some unknown power. True, skeptics wish to totally discredit his intellect, intelligence, logical thought not even having spoken to him. I did. As I asserted already, at considerable length and detail. My conclusion was he had considered every possibility.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 14:39:19 GMT -5
I'm afraid some of my statements are like my jokes. Flat! It's down to the way I tell them. You remind me of the Irish comedian Frank Carson who always said " it's the way I tell em" when he got a good response from the audience to a joke. Personally I Think that you are an asset to the forum, witty and seriously solid when necessary. I appreciate your postings, as they do normally have a balanced viewpoint. Thanks P/T. You definitely got one bit right!
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 29, 2014 15:22:37 GMT -5
Well, dimmi, I believe that what we term as being psychic is all part of the normal, natural universe. I believe that there are beings of various types in the spirit world. There are shamans, and magicians who work with these beings. Sometimes negative beings can become attached to individuals. Have you ever seen the results where any psychic or other beings from the spirit world have actually produced anything that couldn't be explained by natural causes?
Here is a magician who knows all the tricks of making something quite natural appear to be of the "spirit world."
His name is:
James Randi, a Canadian-American retired stage magician and scientific skeptic, best known for his challenges to paranormal claims and pseudoscience.[5]
"Randi is the co-founder of Committee for Skeptical Inquiry (CSI), and the founder of the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF). He began his career as a magician named The Amazing Randi, but after retiring at age 60, he chose to devote most of his time to investigating paranormal, occult, and supernatural claims, which he collectively calls "woo woo"
Although often referred to as a "debunker," Randi dislikes the term's connotations and prefers to describe himself as an "investigator."[7] He has written about the paranormal, skepticism, and the history of magic.
He was a frequent guest on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson and was occasionally featured on the television program Penn & Teller: Bullsh-!
The JREF sponsors the One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge offering a prize of US$1,000,000 to eligible applicants[8] who can demonstrate evidence of any paranormal, supernatural or occult power or event under test conditions agreed to by both parties.[9]"
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 29, 2014 17:28:29 GMT -5
If someone believes that they can prove that there are paranormal, supernatural or occult power or events, maybe they would like to make an easy $1,000,000 by taking James Randi's Challenge?Remember, Randi himself is a magician so he knows all the tricks of the trade that can create delusions & illusions so one can't fool him. At least no one has gotten a $1,000,000 yet! "The JREF sponsors the One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge offering a prize of US$1,000,000 to eligible applicants[8] who can demonstrate evidence of any paranormal, supernatural or occult power or event under test conditions agreed to by both parties."
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