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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 5, 2014 6:08:15 GMT -5
Bert, that does not answer the question. You said " if you feel badly done by with hard experiences then maybe you shouldn't be in the truth.[/quote]" ?
My question is: what do you mean by "Maybe you shouldn't be in the truth"
What does "in the truth" mean ?
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Post by Scott Ross on Nov 5, 2014 8:57:23 GMT -5
You have a problem with my question to you? In most conversations, one answers questions before asking thier own. Why do you jump to the conclusion that loving is the hard part for Bert? Seems rather pretentious. Only because Jesus gave us two commandments to follow. They both are about love. And.....he still hasn't answered my question, which was what he finds personally hard in being a Christian.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 9:14:23 GMT -5
Bert, Do you love and respect ANYONE???
How do you show your love for the workers and friends in your area?
You certainly show no love or kindness on this board. Does your personality change on Wednesday night and Sunday morning and when you have workers in your home?
Maybe you give enough money in tithing so your warm and loving personality is overlooked?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 14:33:39 GMT -5
Bert, Do you love and respect ANYONE??? How do you show your love for the workers and friends in your area? You certainly show no love or kindness on this board. Does your personality change on Wednesday night and Sunday morning and when you have workers in your home? Maybe you give enough money in tithing so your warm and loving personality is overlooked? In my younger days there was this notion of the "Sunday morning Christian" who reverted to something else after church. That idea has long gone now -- I know few "Sunday Christians" at all nowadays. Australia is fast becoming what the UK is now - a country where Christians are a minority.
No, I don't tithe. Never tithed in my life.
Yes, of course I love. You posed a rhetorical question.
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Post by déjà vu on Nov 5, 2014 16:08:06 GMT -5
Bert's quote
No, I don't tithe. Never tithed in my life.
does that mean you give more than 10% or less ?
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Post by snow on Nov 5, 2014 18:02:55 GMT -5
Well the bible certainly gives everyone something that's for sure. If you want the negative side, well there are verses that cover that. If you want only to see the positive side, well there are verses for that too. The most contradictory book on earth I believe. However, it has something for everyone, or most everyone.
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Post by bubbles on Nov 6, 2014 4:16:42 GMT -5
So.... As a Christian, what do you find so difficult in your daily life? Loving God, or loving others? Or is it something else? Really curious as to what you consider to be harsh and hard. Especially related to the 'cost' of being a Christ follower. I like His comment about "My yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Yes, Jesus said his yoke was "easy" but He himself bore a heavy burden. So too did John the Baptist who lived a life of poverty and paid with his life. And Paul... he celebrated the loss of everything. What is harsh and hard is the road God's people must walk. This is mentioned over and over and over again in the bible. Prubert I dont see anything hard in "being led forth in peace." ISAIAH 55:12 Sometimes we do go through difficult trials and tribulation. I call those seasons in god.
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Post by bubbles on Nov 6, 2014 4:21:16 GMT -5
Bert's quote No, I don't tithe. Never tithed in my life. does that mean you give more than 10% or less ? Thats a bit cheeky w.tell
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 12:42:23 GMT -5
One of the reasons I stopped going to meeting was because the USA if full of Sunday morning Christians that go to meeting. They are 2 and 3 generation of "friends" who go to meeting because it is a tradition not a conviction.
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Post by rational on Nov 6, 2014 16:14:03 GMT -5
One of the reasons I stopped going to meeting was because the USA if full of Sunday morning Christians that go to meeting. They are 2 and 3 generation of "friends" who go to meeting because it is a tradition not a conviction. Did they tell you this? That was/would be really forthcoming of them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 17:03:10 GMT -5
One of the reasons I stopped going to meeting was because the USA if full of Sunday morning Christians that go to meeting. They are 2 and 3 generation of "friends" who go to meeting because it is a tradition not a conviction. i think your being a bit cynical here because really how do you know thier motivations for going, do they tell you that thier going only based on tradition?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 17:19:55 GMT -5
One of the reasons I stopped going to meeting was because the USA if full of Sunday morning Christians that go to meeting. They are 2 and 3 generation of "friends" who go to meeting because it is a tradition not a conviction. Well I would think so too, who wants a conviction/ criminal record. Do excuse me, I am in one of those moods.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 19:53:29 GMT -5
It was VERY evident by the lives they lived the rest of the week. It was the actions of our elder when problems arose, that the bible was just a book to read and not live by
Partaker, Good one!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 2:06:20 GMT -5
One of the reasons I stopped going to meeting was because the USA if full of Sunday morning Christians that go to meeting. They are 2 and 3 generation of "friends" who go to meeting because it is a tradition not a conviction. Agreed, some of these are more likely to become Exes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 5:01:24 GMT -5
Well the bible certainly gives everyone something that's for sure. If you want the negative side, well there are verses that cover that. If you want only to see the positive side, well there are verses for that too. The most contradictory book on earth I believe. However, it has something for everyone, or most everyone. There is truth in what you have written, growing up, I have often heard older folks say: even the devil can quote scriptures for his own purposes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 11:13:30 GMT -5
Bert, It is my experience that those are the one the workers favor in the Northeastern USA. They are the ones with the MONEY. I have known very few humble and meek friends that had MONEY. Not impossible but unlikely. That includes my own family. Those that are favored by workers are the ones that follow tradition not the conviction our parents lived before us I sometimes wonder how we grew up in the same family. I am so glad my parents are gone and have not seen the decline of actions of their own children. I have two brothers that meet together for meeting in one of their homes, but will not speak to one and other outside of meeting. The workers have been well aware of this situation for years and have never moved the meeting or done anything about it. Does the bible not give directions on how to handle a situation like this? When I questioned my sister-in-law about this she told me that when you are in meeting you are one. I ask how you could partake of the bread and wine and leave the forgiveness for the past, at the door. (It is my understanding that when you partake of the bread and wine you are receiving forgiveness for your past and forgiving others for their past.) Maybe those with better understanding can set me strait on this. My sister-in-law did tell me that "worldly" neighbors had ask her how my brothers could meet together for church. Is that not a "great testimony" my brothers are living before their neighbors???
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 21:38:16 GMT -5
Marie, doesn't the bible, and the spirit, tell you that YOU must be an example, not one SEEKING examples. The latter are often people who find fault to justify themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 11:03:31 GMT -5
Bert, I have heard from the platform all my life that meetings are placed in homes that are fulfilling what the bible says an elder should be?
Does that mean no questioning of the workers when things are so obviously not the way we read in the bible?
Are we not to question partiality amongst the workers and friends? What does the bible say about partiality???
Did God not give you a brain and a mouth to use when you saw wrong doing that effects the SOULS of men?
Or, do you just blindly follow what the workers say and do no matter where it leads?? Is that what Jesus said to do?
Are you saying that I have no spiritual convictions and have no way of judging what is spiritual and what are men judgements?
I find you like to judge everyone else on this board that dares speak out against the WRONG we see amongst the workers and friends.
I guess your judgements of us are righteous, and ours judgements are just PLAIN WRONG!!!
I think I have heard from the platform that being self-righteous is not Godly. Maybe I just heard WRONG. I think I have understood a lot of wrong things over the years from the platform!
I thought what we heard a worker or friend speak in meeting, was to be something they were going to make part of their lives.
I guess I understood that all wrong. Maybe that is why I did not fit into the "TRUTH". I tried to live out everyday what I shared as my struggle in meeting.
Bert, Thank for helping me to FINALLY understand why I was kicked out.
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Post by What Hat on Nov 9, 2014 11:08:03 GMT -5
It appears to be a taboo subject. I'd just say "irrelevant", as it should be.
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