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Post by Gene on Dec 26, 2014 21:17:39 GMT -5
Ok ... beheading is too strong of a statement. I apologize; but, I'm sick and tired of people who are against homosexuality beinh afraid to express themselves!! I'm fed uo with homosexuals always pulling out the "homophobic" card and saying anyone who opposes homosexuality is a homophobic!!! I say homosexuals are heterophobic!!! So there!!@ I also think God should eradicate them and. exterminate them from the face of the earth ... just like he did with Sodom!!! Tell you what, JetMech -- the best way to eradicate homosexuality would be to go to the source. Every homosexual I've ever known was created by two heterosexuals!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 21:25:31 GMT -5
Some of these remarks on here about discrimination tickle the tarnation out of me!!! Do you think God discriminated with the Flood and when he burned people alive in Sodom!!! Do Moslems discriminate when they behead people??? If America had been so passive during WWI and WWII .. and asked permission every time they shot at the enemy ... we'd have LOST THE WAR@!!! I'd like to know what's behind the whole world condoning honosexuality? What's happened to family unity? Who wants to break down family and structure? The easiest way for a country or politic to take over other countries is to destroy structure, unity, fundamentally, create chaos, then panic the people ... with all this UFO crap and jargon. People all over the world don't know what to believe any more ... who to believe or what to believe!!! What type of politic wants to remove GOD and his values from the school? From the government and from the US CONSTITUTION and promote immorality and homosexuality and SAME SEX MARRIAGE??? The way society in this country has become reminds me of ISAIAH 3:9 where it says " ... they declare their sin as Sodom ... they hide it not ..." and it reminds me of what SOLOMAN said in ECCLESIASTES that nothing is new under the sun what ever happens has happened before!!! There's noone lower than me ... noone more humble than me, having grown up as a foster-child, I'm just one measly man out here trying to say DON'T FOLLOW THE CROWD!!! THE MASSES ARE OFTEN WRONG ... the BIBLE is right!!! "Narrow is the gate narrow is the way to salvation .... wide is the gate ti DESTRUCTION!@!!!!!
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Post by Gene on Dec 26, 2014 21:47:35 GMT -5
Some of these remarks on here about discrimination tickle the tarnation out of me!!! Do you think God discriminated with the Flood and when he burned people alive in Sodom!!! Do Moslems discriminate when they behead people??? If America had been so passive during WWI and WWII .. and asked permission every time they shot at the enemy ... we'd have LOST THE WAR@!!! I'd like to know what's behind the whole world condoning honosexuality? What's happened to family unity? Who wants to break down family and structure? The easiest way for a country or politic to take over other countries is to destroy structure, unity, fundamentally, create chaos, then panic the people ... with all this UFO crap and jargon. People all over the world don't know what to believe any more ... who to believe or what to believe!!! What type of politic wants to remove GOD and his values from the school? From the government and from the US CONSTITUTION and promote immorality and homosexuality and SAME SEX MARRIAGE??? The way society in this country has become reminds me of ISAIAH 3:9 where it says " ... they declare their sin as Sodom ... they hide it not ..." and it reminds me of what SOLOMAN said in ECCLESIASTES that nothing is new under the sun what ever happens has happened before!!! There's noone lower than me ... noone more humble than me, having grown up as a foster-child, I'm just one measly man out here trying to say DON'T FOLLOW THE CROWD!!! THE MASSES ARE OFTEN WRONG ... the BIBLE is right!!! "Narrow is the gate narrow is the way to salvation .... wide is the gate ti DESTRUCTION!@!!!!! Next round is on me!
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 27, 2014 0:20:17 GMT -5
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd like to know what's behind the whole world condoning honosexuality?
What's happened to family unity? Who wants to break down family and structure? The easiest way for a country or politic to take over other countries is to destroy structure, unity, fundamentally, create chaos, then panic the people ... with all this UFO crap and jargon.
People all over the world don't know what to believe any more ... who to believe or what to believe!!! What type of politic wants to remove GOD and his values from the school? From the government and from the US CONSTITUTION and promote immorality and homosexuality and SAME SEX MARRIAGE??? There's noone lower than me ... noone more humble than me, having grown up as a foster-child, I'm just one measly man out here trying to say DON'T FOLLOW THE CROWD!!! I will try & address a few of your statements.
I think that those countries in the world are acknowledging that homosexuality is simply a human right's issue. Nowhere should we have a right to force people into boxes about who they should love.
How has gay rights affected family unity? Has it in any way affected any part in your family unity or anyone elses family that you know?
Can you explain how that you think that gay rights "break down" family and structure?
I don't think that it is countries or governments that are using UFO crap to do anything! That is just conspiracy theorists like our friend Nathan
The type of "politic" which realizes that there is many religious different elements in a free society also realize that governments should not use schools to cater to any particular "GOD" but rather do the job for which they exist, which is teaching basic human knowledge.
That governmental position also honors the parents right to instill into their own children the beliefs that they feel are correct.
"There's noone lower than me ... noone more humble than me, having grown up as a foster-child, I'm just one measly man out here trying to say DON'T FOLLOW THE CROWD!!! "
Am I presuming right that this is yourself that you are describing?
I agree that one needs to be careful to not just follow the crowd just because it is a majority. Instead we must carefully analyse problems & solutions in relationship to what is the best way for each person to thrive, experience happiness & justice and live their lives to the fullest that they can.
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Post by snow on Dec 27, 2014 11:41:30 GMT -5
Some of these remarks on here about discrimination tickle the tarnation out of me!!! Do you think God discriminated with the Flood and when he burned people alive in Sodom!!! Do Moslems discriminate when they behead people??? If America had been so passive during WWI and WWII .. and asked permission every time they shot at the enemy ... we'd have LOST THE WAR@!!! I'd like to know what's behind the whole world condoning honosexuality? What's happened to family unity? Who wants to break down family and structure? The easiest way for a country or politic to take over other countries is to destroy structure, unity, fundamentally, create chaos, then panic the people ... with all this UFO crap and jargon. People all over the world don't know what to believe any more ... who to believe or what to believe!!! What type of politic wants to remove GOD and his values from the school? From the government and from the US CONSTITUTION and promote immorality and homosexuality and SAME SEX MARRIAGE??? The way society in this country has become reminds me of ISAIAH 3:9 where it says " ... they declare their sin as Sodom ... they hide it not ..." and it reminds me of what SOLOMAN said in ECCLESIASTES that nothing is new under the sun what ever happens has happened before!!! There's noone lower than me ... noone more humble than me, having grown up as a foster-child, I'm just one measly man out here trying to say DON'T FOLLOW THE CROWD!!! THE MASSES ARE OFTEN WRONG ... the BIBLE is right!!! "Narrow is the gate narrow is the way to salvation .... wide is the gate ti DESTRUCTION!@!!!!! If the bible teaches you this kind of hatred and intolerance, then the bible is the one that is wrong, dangerous and should be ignored. Jesus taught about love of all, not just who you decide you want to love because it's convenient.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 5:04:03 GMT -5
Of course he would not have, if you're asking about the Jesus of 30 AD who was a practicing Jew. If you're asking about a fictional present-day Jesus, that's another matter. I agree, I suppose He would deal with it in a similar manner as with the woman taken in adultery. He did not condemn her, He just told her to go and sin no more.
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Post by xna on Feb 22, 2015 13:49:31 GMT -5
Didn't jesus come from a two dad family?
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Post by Gene on Feb 22, 2015 15:09:10 GMT -5
Didn't jesus come from a two dad family? And in order to create a bouncing baby boy, they used AI with a surrogate mother! Man, were they ever ahead of their time!
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Post by xna on Feb 22, 2015 15:13:29 GMT -5
Didn't jesus come from a two dad family? And in order to create a bouncing baby boy, they used AI with a surrogate mother! Man, were they ever ahead of their time! Yes, the angels did it the old fashion way.
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Post by snow on Feb 22, 2015 22:52:25 GMT -5
Didn't jesus come from a two dad family? If Mary was engaged to Joseph and God got her pregnant, isn't that adultery?
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 22, 2015 23:45:11 GMT -5
WoW! You guys have given us much to think about!
"Didn't Jesus come from a two dad family?"
"If Mary was engaged to Joseph and God got her pregnant, isn't that adultery?"
So much for "family unity and structure!--eh?"
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 23, 2015 15:56:50 GMT -5
I am very curious myself, but have never asked directly. He has officiated at the weddings of grandchildren. I do not know if he has practiced outside of his immediate family. Well it sounds unusual, but he must be Authorised in some way ( probably as a Justice of the Peace) because he would have to issue marriage certificates officially that are recognized in law; in some jurisdictions "common law marriages" are recognized. Some states allow citizens to purchase a license to perform wedding ceremonies...I think there is a test they have to take in regards to the laws of that state and they have to pass with a good margin. I know one man who bought his marrying license in this manner and has kept his license current...and has performed a few ceremonies for family and friends! I suspect that the process is much like a pastor would have to do when he sought the legal right to perform wedding ceremonies! Not all Justice of the Peace are licensed to perform ceremonies for this is an individual choice.....many JP's feel that they have enough to do if they serve their community on all other causes.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 16:10:35 GMT -5
Ok, I have since learnt that practices vary in different countries.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 24, 2015 0:51:09 GMT -5
Some of these remarks on here about discrimination tickle the tarnation out of me!!! Do you think God discriminated with the Flood and when he burned people alive in Sodom!!! Do Moslems discriminate when they behead people??? If America had been so passive during WWI and WWII .. and asked permission every time they shot at the enemy ... we'd have LOST THE WAR@!!! I'd like to know what's behind the whole world condoning honosexuality? What's happened to family unity? Who wants to break down family and structure? The easiest way for a country or politic to take over other countries is to destroy structure, unity, fundamentally, create chaos, then panic the people ... with all this UFO crap and jargon. People all over the world don't know what to believe any more ... who to believe or what to believe!!! What type of politic wants to remove GOD and his values from the school? From the government and from the US CONSTITUTION and promote immorality and homosexuality and SAME SEX MARRIAGE??? The way society in this country has become reminds me of ISAIAH 3:9 where it says " ... they declare their sin as Sodom ... they hide it not ..." and it reminds me of what SOLOMAN said in ECCLESIASTES that nothing is new under the sun what ever happens has happened before!!! There's noone lower than me ... noone more humble than me, having grown up as a foster-child, I'm just one measly man out here trying to say DON'T FOLLOW THE CROWD!!! THE MASSES ARE OFTEN WRONG ... the BIBLE is right!!! "Narrow is the gate narrow is the way to salvation .... wide is the gate ti DESTRUCTION!@!!!!! If the bible teaches you this kind of hatred and intolerance, then the bible is the one that is wrong, dangerous and should be ignored. Jesus taught about love of all, not just who you decide you want to love because it's convenient. Seems jetmech has left us & deleted his posts?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 15:49:04 GMT -5
If Mary was engaged to Joseph and God got her pregnant, isn't that adultery? Joseph and Mary weren't husband and wife yet! An adultery is after marriage. Mary was single and a virgin. God the Father Inseminated God the Son into Mary's womb.... Wahla! A baby came forth.. God and Man= Jesus.
God the Father and God the Holy Spirit are the author of Jesus the Son of man. Joseph was Jesus adopted earthly father.
What about fornication then?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 16:03:28 GMT -5
What about fornication then? God and Mary didn't have SEX. God the Father, and the Holy Spirit asked Mary to use her womb so the Messiah could be born into the world and she agreed. God even sent an angel to Joseph and tell him of Mary's pregnancy wasn't by a man but by God.Yet it had the same result as a male and female having sex. With God all things are possible, and there lies the root of our belief.
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Post by rational on Feb 25, 2015 14:46:46 GMT -5
If Mary was engaged to Joseph and God got her pregnant, isn't that adultery? Joseph and Mary weren't husband and wife yet! An adultery is after marriage. Mary was single and a virgin. God the Father Inseminated God the Son into Mary's womb.... Wahla! A baby came forth.. God and Man= Jesus.
God the Father and God the Holy Spirit are the author of Jesus the Son of God and man. Joseph was Jesus adopted earthly father.
There is a little more to it. The parents usually arranged the marriage. This was often without consulting the couple. The arrangement involved a legal contract and usually the parents of the groom paid for the bride. A marriage contract was legally and socially binding and, for all intents and purpose, the couple was considered married. The actual marriage may not happen for a up to a year and during this time the couple did not have very much contact. So to say they were not married is casting that tradition under today's conventions. At the time sexual relations would have been considered adultery.
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Post by rational on Feb 25, 2015 18:10:30 GMT -5
Mary and Joseph knew what the people thought in their days, but didn't care about the tradition of men. Why do you believe this? They were Jewish and followed Jewish tradition. Allowed does not seem to be the correct word.I don't recall that either of them were given a choice. It was a fait accompli when they were informed. Where did you read this? Really? How did god inseminate Mary? The bible was not at all clear on this point. Reading Deuteronomy 22:23 would lead one to believe that god had impregnated a virgin promised to another man and the punishment was that they both be stoned to death. Seems like following the OT law did not apply equally to one and all.
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Post by rational on Feb 26, 2015 10:15:28 GMT -5
Reading Deuteronomy 22:23 would lead one to believe that god had impregnated a virgin promised to another man and the punishment was that they both be stoned to death. Seems like following the OT law did not apply equally to one and all. Yes, it seems that way... God said in Isa 55:8-9 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. Wow, NathanB, you confused the quotes in that post. I was not asking you to explain the mind of god I was just asking why the law didn't apply in this case. Isiah 55:8-9 is the fall-back reply when theists are asked questions regarding their beliefs that either defy logic or for which there is no answer. This is the stock answer to questions like "Why does god allow children to be abused?", "Why has god never replaced an amputated limb?", or "Why didn't god answer my prayer to heal the mother of my children?".
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Post by rational on Feb 26, 2015 16:21:10 GMT -5
Wow, NathanB, you confused the quotes in that post. I was not asking you to explain the mind of god I was just asking why the law didn't apply in this case. ~~ God does thing sometimes our human minds can't comprehend or understand His reasons for doing it, so we must trust in His decision. God doesn't explain things to us most of the time. His ways, and thinking always bring out the best result in the end.This is a convenient way out. Makes you wonder why someone would go to the trouble of alleviating the suffering of a single man instead of eliminating Hansen's disease and alleviating the suffering of thousands. And NathanB - the children in the verse you quoted are not referring to young children but the followers of Jesus. God/Jesus is not on record of caring much about the abuse of children or stepping up to stop it. I can hardly imagine the comfort it gives abused children to know that there are records being kept. Are you saying that god does not have the power to control satan?
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Post by rational on Feb 26, 2015 22:05:44 GMT -5
1) Rational wrote: This is a convenient way out. ~~ No, it's NOT a cop out. We read and see God's ways, understanding, knowledge of the future is much GREATER than humans. Humans can't grasp God's mind fully. Just like the ants try to understanding the minds and the thoughts of the humans. The paranormal being you worship fails to help abused children and you say it is because we do not understand how s/he operates. And you think that is not an easy way out? Ants don't have to understand the thoughts of man - they do not worship and obey humans without question. This sounds like healing the single leper was just to make a point. It had nothing to do with relieving suffering. For the thousands suffering from Hansen's disease this was a sad choice. An all powerful being knows that children are being abused and does not stop it. Even human laws make it a crime not to report abuse. To know about it and have the ability to stop it yet to stand by abd condone the abuse is, by any measure, immoral. So god does have the situation under control and is aware of the evil being done but does nothing to stop it, allowing millions to suffer. What makes this entity worthy of worship?
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Post by snow on Feb 26, 2015 22:36:30 GMT -5
But the whole point is that Jesus didn't have to die to forgive our sins. All he had to do was forgive us. Or, decide that we were humans having a human moment and it wasn't a sin at all, merely a bad judgment call. There really was no reason Jesus needed to die if God is all powerful and all forgiving.
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Post by snow on Feb 26, 2015 22:48:22 GMT -5
But the whole point is that Jesus didn't have to die to forgive our sins. All he had to do was forgive us. Or, decide that we were humans having a human moment and it wasn't a sin at all, merely a bad judgment call. There really was no reason Jesus needed to die if God is all powerful and all forgiving. It was God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit plan before the foundation that Jesus had to die on Calvary's Cross. The gospel story of Calvary's Cross is VERY powerful, it touches life and changes lives once people understand the Divine LOVE of motives behind it. Sorry, but I will never understand why it had to happen. Why it would be planned from before the beginning of it all. A human sacrifice appalls me more than touches me. It seems so barbaric and so pagan in it's origin. Remember, we are talking about all powerful beings here. They should have been able to just say I forgive them all for they know not what they do, without the human sacrifice.
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Post by snow on Feb 26, 2015 23:05:53 GMT -5
Sorry, but I will never understand why it had to happen. Why it would be planned from before the beginning of it all. A human sacrifice appalls me more than touches me. It seems so barbaric and so pagan in it's origin. Remember, we are talking about all powerful beings here. They should have been able to just say I forgive them all for they know not what they do, without the human sacrifice. The Sacrificial Lamb of God was plan before the foundation of the world.... Before any humans were around or any pagan religions ever existed...
I Cor. 1:18; 21-27 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.
Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.
Can you explain why an all powerful God would need to make such a plan before he even made humans? Why bother?
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 26, 2015 23:21:16 GMT -5
It was God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit plan before the foundation that Jesus had to die on Calvary's Cross. The gospel story of Calvary's Cross is VERY powerful, it touches life and changes lives once people understand the Divine LOVE of motives behind it. Sorry, but I will never understand why it had to happen. Why it would be planned from before the beginning of it all. A human sacrifice appalls me more than touches me. It seems so barbaric and so pagan in it's origin. Remember, we are talking about all powerful beings here. They should have been able to just say I forgive them all for they know not what they do, without the human sacrifice. Nathan, there is NO "Divine LOVE" involved in crucifixion! It is barbaric and there can't be any love in any such plan! Human sacrifice is barbaric and it has it's origin in ancient times where mankind tried to appease ancients gods.
That the very idea is still apparent in today's thinking by some people is barbaric in its self!
We don't believe that there is a "god" in the volcano that we have to appease today .
Yet some people still hang on to that same kind of thinking when it comes to something that happened 2000 years ago!
Do some people actually enjoy thinking such thoughts?
Makes you wonder sometimes!
That kind of thinking is barbaric in its self!
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 26, 2015 23:39:50 GMT -5
The Story of Jesus died on Calvary Cross has changed my LIFE and Millions of lives forever... It was Divine Love that move Jesus to be the sacrificial Lamb of God for humanity.
Why has it changed your LIFE ?
Is it because for your life to mean anything, you have to believe you are so special that someone had to be "sacrificed" for you?
That is either egotistical or pathetic or both!
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 27, 2015 1:06:10 GMT -5
Why has it changed your LIFE ?
Is it because for your life to mean anything, you have to believe you are so special that someone had to be "sacrificed" for you?
That is either egotistical or pathetic or both!
I am touched and humble to understand God the Son/Jesus left heaven, lived in a human body for 331/2 yrs and died for my sins. NOT only die for me but also give me eternal life after this life is ended.
I was going to commit suicide then Calvary Cross story gave me a NEW hope and LIFE to live for God!
Nathan, there was a time I also wanted to commit suicide and I was "professing" at the time and you know what?
God didn't do a damn thing for me! Diddly squat!
I had to get help from somewhere else.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 27, 2015 2:14:08 GMT -5
Nathan, there was a time I also wanted to commit suicide and I was "professing" at the time and you know what?
God didn't do a damn thing for me! Diddly squat!
I had to get help from somewhere else.
Sorry, to hear about that... God has saved my life many times that I lost count. I should have been dead two yrs ago. I have no answer to your situation.... Maybe God has heard and answered your prayer and you didn't know it because you're still here with us. Maybe somewhere else was God answered to your prayer. Why should you have been dead two yrs ago?
I'm not asking you for any answer about me!
I'm still here because of many reasons, most of all because I quit relying on a broken stick I'd been using as a crutch for half my life.
I finally realized that I needed to take control of my own life and drop a lot nonsense about some god that had controlled me.
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