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Post by maryhig on Feb 27, 2015 3:07:34 GMT -5
But the whole point is that Jesus didn't have to die to forgive our sins. All he had to do was forgive us. Or, decide that we were humans having a human moment and it wasn't a sin at all, merely a bad judgment call. There really was no reason Jesus needed to die if God is all powerful and all forgiving. It was God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit plan before the foundation that Jesus had to die on Calvary's Cross. The gospel story of Calvary's Cross is VERY powerful, it touches life and changes lives once people understand the Divine LOVE of motives behind it. No Nathan, Jesus didn't have to die on a wooden cross. He died to sin in his flesh so he could be an example for us to follow. This was the death he had to die. God wouldn't go against his own commandment "thou shalt not kill!" Jesus speaking in John 7 :19 "Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keep the law? Why do you go about to kill me?" God knew what Satan in the hearts of men would do to him. But Jesus was willing for this to show the love of God through his life. Regardless of what men did to him, he showed love! Hoping to draw them to God. This is how he sacrificed his life! He gave it up for God! John 21:18-19 Verily verily, I say unto thee, when thou wast young, thou girdest and walked where thou wouldest: but when you shalt be old, though shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird the, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not. This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith to him, follow me! This is what take up your cross, deny yourself and follow me means. It isn't taking up a wooden cross. It's taking on the burden of the flesh, denying sin in our hearts and following him! Being guided by God. This is how Jesus died to save us! Murdering him on that cross was pure wickedness, it's not something that should be glorified. It's barbaric! How would hammering him to a cross save our sins? He saved us from sins by showing us how to live putting satan to death in our hearts and reconcile us with God! When Paul said "I die daily" he was following Jesus' life by putting sin to death in his flesh. The old Saul was replace by the new Paul, with a new heart. The hardness of Saul's heart was replaced with the love of Christ.. Paul said " Galatians 2:20 " I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live yet not i, but Christ liveth in me."
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Post by Mary on Feb 27, 2015 3:15:40 GMT -5
Jesus died on the Cross so that we might be forgiven of our sins. He did not die to sin in his flesh so he could be an example for us to follow. He died to redeem us from sin. He did not sin. He did not die to be an example for us to follow. We are saved by His death on the Cross not of our own works lest any man should boast. What kind of church do you go to? Do you go to the church that this message board is about? or do you go to their conventions?
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Post by maryhig on Feb 27, 2015 3:34:00 GMT -5
Jesus died on the Cross so that we might be forgiven of our sins. He did not die to sin in his flesh so he could be an example for us to follow. He died to redeem us from sin. He did not sin. He did not die to be an example for us to follow. We are saved by His death on the Cross not of our own works lest any man should boast. What kind of church do you go to? Do you go to the church that this message board is about? or do you go to their conventions? Mary I have to disagree with you, my heart tells me differently. It tells us in the bible Jesus came as an example for its to follow. 1 Peter 2:21 Wicked hands murdered Jesus, this has nothing to do with God! God is love! God doesn't lie! Thou shalt not kill means exactly what it says. This included killing his son. Jesus told the parable of the workers in the vineyard in this parable he was referring to himself. Matthew 21:33-46 I know he never sinned, he never let Satan in. He put him to death! We are sinners and it's not by our own righteousness at all. But by letting Jesus into our hearts, he can help us overcome. No I'm not of the church you speak of, I don't know what a convention is.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 27, 2015 3:36:01 GMT -5
Well, seems like we are getting some doctrinal differences in beliefs here, as per usual.
Is it any wonder there are so many different Christian denominations?
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 27, 2015 3:39:08 GMT -5
Why should you have been dead two yrs ago?
I'm not asking you for any answer about me!
I'm still here because of many reasons, most of all because I quit relying on a broken stick I'd been using as a crutch for half my life.
I finally realized that I needed to take control of my own life and drop a lot nonsense about some god that had controlled me. Maybe someday I will share it, dmg. The dark force is trying very hard to get rid off me, but God has extended my life again because I have more work need to get done before my time is up. You still aren't telling why you "should have been dead two yrs ago. "
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Post by Mary on Feb 27, 2015 3:46:09 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with some doctrinal differences. We are not all out of the same mould, we live different lives and have had different experiences in life. Wouldn't it be a boring world if we were all the same. I am sure I could worship with Maryhig. I am sure you dmm are a mile apart from her whereas I am only a few inches. We believe in the same God. So doctrinal differences are nothing like differences in belief systems between atheists and Christians. Nothing wrong with having different denominations.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 5:31:29 GMT -5
Nathan, don't you know your future history? The dark side of the force will be beaten! Remember, the dark force is a mystical energy (kind of like dark matter and dark energy) which permeates the Star Wars Universe. But... that dark force is opposed by Yoda, the Jedi, Ben Kenobi, the Rebels, R2D2, Princess Leia, 3CPO, Chewbacca and Luke Skywalker, to name but a few.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 27, 2015 5:49:48 GMT -5
You still aren't telling why you "should have been dead two yrs ago. "
That's between God and me. There are things in my life that I can't share it with others. It's too personal and I want to keep that way for now. I will try to share as much as I can but I must draw the line. Then perhaps you shouldn't mention it to start with.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 8:43:34 GMT -5
The Story of Jesus died on Calvary Cross has changed my LIFE and Millions of lives forever... It was Divine Love that move Jesus to be the sacrificial Lamb of God for humanity.
Why has it changed your LIFE ?
Is it because for your life to mean anything, you have to believe you are so special that someone had to be "sacrificed" for you?
That is either egotistical or pathetic or both!
Is that a bold statement of fact or is it a personal opinion expressed? Others have contrary opinions too; who is to decide who is right and who is wrong?
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Post by rational on Feb 27, 2015 13:41:26 GMT -5
No Nathan, Jesus didn't have to die on a wooden cross. He died to sin in his flesh so he could be an example for us to follow. This was the death he had to die. God wouldn't go against his own commandment "thou shalt not kill!" No, there was no need for a human sacrifice. Nor for any other sacrifice for that matter. Killing animals does not do solve anything. If I were to sin (however you would like to define 'sin) I could kill all the cats in town and whatever offense I had committed would remain unchanged. It seems people were loose about keeping the law. Remember the woman caught in adultery was not treated as demanded by the law. Save us from what? And yet we see many representations of the cross displayed by Christians.
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Post by snow on Feb 27, 2015 13:57:03 GMT -5
Nathan, there is NO "Divine LOVE" involved. Human sacrifice is barbaric and it certainly has it's origin in ancient times where mankind tried to appease ancients gods.
That it is still apparent in today's thinking by some people is barbaric in its self!
We don't believe that there is a "god" in the volcano that we have to appease today , -yet some people still hang on to that same kind of thinking when it comes to something that happened 2000 years ago!
That kind of thinking is barbaric in its self!
Do some people actually enjoy thinking such thoughts?
Makes you wonder sometimes! The Story of Jesus died on Calvary Cross has changed my LIFE and Millions of lives forever... It was Divine Love that move Jesus to be the sacrificial Lamb of God for humanity.
like Paul wrote in I Cor. 1:18; 21-27 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.I guess my question would be, Why has it changed your life? What about a human sacrifice is appealing to you or anyone for that matter? This is something I truly have a very difficult time understanding. Knowing the history of religious beliefs this just appears to be another human sacrifice story to appease a God.
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Post by emy on Feb 27, 2015 15:15:29 GMT -5
Maryhig, if you are not familiar with convention or the group this board refers to, what brought you here? Is there something you were searching for?
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Post by bubbles on Feb 27, 2015 15:58:22 GMT -5
Well, seems like we are getting some doctrinal differences in beliefs here, as per usual.
Is it any wonder there are so many different Christian denominations? Critical as usual. Have you on ignore most of the time. You need to practice what you preach and take a good look at the way you speak to people..
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Post by bubbles on Feb 27, 2015 16:03:39 GMT -5
Maybe someday I will share it, dmg. The dark force is trying very hard to get rid off me, but God has extended my life again because I have more work need to get done before my time is up. Maybe someday I will share it, dmg. The dark force is trying very hard to get rid off me, but God has extended my life again because I have more work need to get done before my time is up. You still aren't telling why you "should have been dead two yrs ago. "
Look at the way you are hounding nate. Its none of your business but you dont let up. Struth you are nosey! No wonder people leave TMB you are like a predator.
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Post by xna on Feb 27, 2015 18:26:21 GMT -5
No Nathan, Jesus didn't have to die on a wooden cross. He died to sin in his flesh so he could be an example for us to follow. This was the death he had to die. God wouldn't go against his own commandment "thou shalt not kill!" No, there was no need for a human sacrifice. Nor for any other sacrifice for that matter. Killing animals does not do solve anything. If I were to sin (however you would like to define 'sin) I could kill all the cats in town and whatever offense I had committed would remain unchanged. www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmzuRXLzqKk
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 27, 2015 20:35:53 GMT -5
Why has it changed your LIFE ?
Is it because for your life to mean anything, you have to believe you are so special that someone had to be "sacrificed" for you?
That is either egotistical or pathetic or both!
Is that a bold statement of fact or is it a personal opinion expressed? Others have contrary opinions too; who is to decide who is right and who is wrong? You are right, it is a personal opinion and perhaps sounds rash.
I came to that opinion in a personal way when I realized that for me to think that I was so important that someone, anyone, -would have to be "sacrificed" in such a horrible manner, or any manner at all, for that matter, -surely I was thinking way too highly of myself! Pure hubris on my part!
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 27, 2015 21:01:44 GMT -5
You still aren't telling why you "should have been dead two yrs ago. "
Look at the way you are hounding nate. Its none of your business but you dont let up. Struth you are nosey! No wonder people leave TMB you are like a predator. Hounding Nate?
Nate made the statement that, "He should have been dead two yrs ago." in an answer to bolster his answer to my previous post.
So I responded to his post by asking him "why."
No, it isn't my business.
I doubt you are disturbed at me because I'm "nosey" as much as you are by my predilection to speak without relying on unfounded claims.
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Post by bubbles on Feb 27, 2015 21:16:16 GMT -5
Look at the way you are hounding nate. Its none of your business but you dont let up. Struth you are nosey! No wonder people leave TMB you are like a predator. Thanks, Bubbles... Some people will rip and tear your personal posts to pieces and making fun of. So, I don't want to share too much of my personal/intimate relationship with God.Wise move
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 27, 2015 21:16:15 GMT -5
Well, seems like we are getting some doctrinal differences in beliefs here, as per usual.
Is it any wonder there are so many different Christian denominations? Critical as usual. Have you on ignore most of the time. You need to practice what you preach and take a good look at the way you speak to people.. Critical?I was pointing out the differences between what Mary said: "Jesus died on the Cross so that we might be forgiven of our sins. He did not die to sin in his flesh so he could be an example for us to follow."
and what maryhig answered :
"Mary, I have to disagree with you, my heart tells me differently."Probably having me on ignore is a wise choice for you, bubbles.
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Post by bubbles on Feb 27, 2015 21:18:13 GMT -5
No, there was no need for a human sacrifice. Nor for any other sacrifice for that matter. Killing animals does not do solve anything. If I were to sin (however you would like to define 'sin) I could kill all the cats in town and whatever offense I had committed would remain unchanged. www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmzuRXLzqKkRatz Kill my cat? Thats like a declaration of war.
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Post by Gene on Feb 27, 2015 21:33:24 GMT -5
Ratz Kill my cat? Thats like a declaration of war. Bubs, I will enlist in your army for that war! My cats are my children!
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Post by bubbles on Feb 27, 2015 21:42:52 GMT -5
Ratz Kill my cat? Thats like a declaration of war. Bubs, I will enlist in your army for that war! My cats are my children! Lol..sounds like a plan. I adore my cat. My last cat thought he was human. I moved house a number of times. One move he was missing 6wks then walked into my sons house one day. Like it was the next day.he had trekked back 40km. When I had to put him down 18mth ago it broke my heart. I adopted this one next day. I picked up a number of kittens when I got to her she purred like a motor when I picked her up. Lady cattery told me cats choose you. Every cat ive had that was wounded or abused have turned into the most beautiful cats.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 27, 2015 22:10:16 GMT -5
No, there was no need for a human sacrifice. Nor for any other sacrifice for that matter. Killing animals does not do solve anything. If I were to sin (however you would like to define 'sin) I could kill all the cats in town and whatever offense I had committed would remain unchanged. www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmzuRXLzqKk Thanks for the video, xna.
At present, I am sorrowfully trying to keep my cat, Sweety, as comfortable as possible. She is dieing from a cancer that started under her tongue.
She still purrs when I hold her.
She was aptly named Sweety for many reasons.
She was would never run in front of me. (a big plus for me) She waited quietly while I poured her food in her bowl.
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Post by snow on Feb 28, 2015 0:12:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the video, xna.
At present, I am sorrowfully trying to keep my cat, Sweety, as comfortable as possible. She is dieing from a cancer that started under her tongue.
She still purrs when I hold her.
She was aptly named Sweety for many reasons.
She was would never run in front of me. (a big plus for me) She waited quietly while I poured her food in her bowl.
I know what that's like. I had to let my big orange friend go a couple of years ago and it was so hard. Still miss him. 18 years is a long time to live with them. I now have a new little guy that I got at the Humane society. He is about 2 years old. Totally black and quite a character. He walks on a leash because he doesn't want to get left behind when we walk the dog. He absolutely loves the dog. He reminds me of a miniature black panther.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 28, 2015 2:08:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the video, xna.
At present, I am sorrowfully trying to keep my cat, Sweety, as comfortable as possible. She is dieing from a cancer that started under her tongue.
She still purrs when I hold her.
She was aptly named Sweety for many reasons.
She was would never run in front of me. (a big plus for me) She waited quietly while I poured her food in her bowl.
I know what that's like. I had to let my big orange friend go a couple of years ago and it was so hard. Still miss him. 18 years is a long time to live with them. I now have a new little guy that I got at the Humane society. He is about 2 years old. Totally black and quite a character. He walks on a leash because he doesn't want to get left behind when we walk the dog. He absolutely loves the dog. He reminds me of a miniature black panther. Sweety was traveling the neighbor hood seeking friends where ever she could. We knew who she belonged to, but the woman couldn't take care of her.
My husband was still alive when I/we took her in. My husband use to sound a bit like a certain non-cat lover that we have here! No names, mentioned! It was all bluff.
Sweety wanted to come to bed and lay by my side. My husband would say, "Cats stay at the bottom of the bed!" But she would start creeping up between us, keeping an eye on him all the while to see if his eyes were open!
We both had to laugh when she once made it & lay on top of my head with her tail dragging down over my forehead & switching her tail back & forth like a windshield wiper across my face!
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 28, 2015 2:11:10 GMT -5
I also have a fluffy white cat that her mother brought to our garage one winter.
I had her spayed before she could have a bunch of kitties as her mother did. I tried to catch her mother to spay her but found that a neighbor who had also given them both shelter at times, had the same idea.
So between us saved at least two poor cats from leaving another bunch of kittens.
Now if we just knew who Papa Cat was we would save him from having the same problem
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 2:15:21 GMT -5
Just a few doors from where I am there's a veterinary clinic. I pop in each morning to see if they have any kittens. If they do, I pop in a few times during the day just to look at them. So adorable. You adopt one and they get so arrogant!!!! My cat's name is "Puss", short haired black male. Thinks he owns the place!!
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 28, 2015 2:22:19 GMT -5
Just a few doors from where I am there's a veterinary clinic. I pop in each morning to see if they have any kittens. If they do, I pop in a few times during the day just to look at them. So adorable. You adopt one and they get so arrogant!!!! My cat's name is "Puss", short haired black male. Thinks he owns the place!! Actually, I don't think Sweety ever got arrogant. She just really seemed so glad to have a stable home.
Now the fluffy one is another story. She runs under my feet, sits in my way, & is generally ill mannered.
But what can one expect? After all she was raised in a barn!-eh I mean garage
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