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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 23, 2014 22:55:39 GMT -5
I am talking about that 'we' are not the only way preached from some pulpits. People have left churches because of ministers preaching that Muslims and other religions believe in the same God so don't think we are the only one saved. Our friend Bert, has pointed this out. I believe there is only one God, yes, but I also believe there is only one way to salvation, and that is through Jesus and his sacrifice on the Cross. Uproar by some not all by any means. You didn't answer my question. Do YOU think "Allah" is the same as the "Christian God"? You made the statement to the effect that "all of them" worship the same god. But I recall you have big problems with Islam.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 23, 2014 22:59:31 GMT -5
Aren't people who believe and follow the teaching/sayings of Jesus generally considered Christians? Did Jesus not teach that the only way to eternal salvation was through himself? Are there 'Christians' who do not believe/follow what Jesus taught yet are considered Christians? Are there denominations, not individuals, who are considered Christian, who have a doctrine that states that people who do not follow Jesus can be saved? Or perhaps there is a different definition of Christian. Just as there are different views on homosexuality in churches there are different ideas of what following the teachings of Jesus are. Some say it is judgemental to say those who believe in other religions are not saved or that it is not God's will that any perish. Remember people can twist anything to fit in with what they believe. Mary, we're not talking about what "some people say". We're talking about what mainstream Christian denominations teach. It doesn't matter what opinions they have about Jesus, they all believe Jesus is the way. Tell me what Christian church does not hold to the doctrine that Jesus is the way.
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Post by Mary on Sept 23, 2014 23:05:16 GMT -5
As I said, there is one God, I do not know if the Islam God who they call Allah is the same as the Christian God (minus the Son and Holy Spirit). I said that some Christian churches are preaching they are the same. As I am a Trinitarian and believe that The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are 3 persons in the one God (and so do mainstream churches) and Muslims do not believe that then the conclusion is that we are serving a different God. Given that there is only One God then one is worshiping God and one is not.
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Post by Mary on Sept 23, 2014 23:07:19 GMT -5
As I said there are mainstream churches that preach otherwise. Their statement of belief suggest that Jesus is the way but many ministers are preaching another message. There are divisions in churches over such teaching.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 23, 2014 23:39:37 GMT -5
As I said there are mainstream churches that preach otherwise. Their statement of belief suggest that Jesus is the way but many ministers are preaching another message. There are divisions in churches over such teaching. Yes, about 30,000 denominations, divisions in the Protestant churches alone!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 1:44:33 GMT -5
As I said there are mainstream churches that preach otherwise. Their statement of belief suggest that Jesus is the way but many ministers are preaching another message. There are divisions in churches over such teaching. Yes, about 30,000 denominations, divisions in the Protestant churches alone! so much for Jesus being the only way according to man
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Post by Greg on Sept 24, 2014 1:53:35 GMT -5
Yes, about 30,000 denominations, divisions in the Protestant churches alone! so much for Jesus being the only way according to man I Corintians 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 2:38:53 GMT -5
so much for Jesus being the only way according to man I Corintians 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. never said there weren't
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Post by rational on Sept 24, 2014 7:39:41 GMT -5
I believe churches connected with Universalism believe along these lines? However, I have no problem with their beliefs either, since everyone has a right to choose their own path in life and they are the only ones who are responsible for their own actions, for better or worse. I have no problem with any of this but was just trying to get a consensus on what core belief a church has to have to be considered Christian. In some cases in seems like a person applying for a job as a chemist announcing that they do not believe in atoms.
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Post by faune on Sept 24, 2014 11:11:07 GMT -5
I believe churches connected with Universalism believe along these lines? However, I have no problem with their beliefs either, since everyone has a right to choose their own path in life and they are the only ones who are responsible for their own actions, for better or worse. I have no problem with any of this but was just trying to get a consensus on what core belief a church has to have to be considered Christian. In some cases in seems like a person applying for a job as a chemist announcing that they do not believe in atoms. Rational ~ I believe people tend to choose the beliefs that best suit their personality and world view for the most part? However, Unitarianism tends to embrace all religions and even people of no belief in God, which perhaps accounts for its appeal for some? Also, I believe that some of these churches endorse universal salvation for all and a restoration of all things, including people with an evil past. I'm not sure I really buy into that philosophy myself, but I do know there are verses found within the Bible that leaves the door open to that possibility, too. Unfortunately, there are other verses that contradict those verses, which gets us back to square one again.
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Post by Mary on Sept 25, 2014 5:45:00 GMT -5
Yes, about 30,000 denominations, divisions in the Protestant churches alone! so much for Jesus being the only way according to man and the workers church is one of those churches. So much for Jesus being the only way according to man... I mean men and women.....the workers.
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Post by xna on Sept 30, 2014 14:11:04 GMT -5
Lol Is this in retaliation of the 'other' thread? No, I don't think so, it may be an attempt to explore the other side of the coin; nothing is wrong with that. There has been a decline in church attendances in many churches; many folks seems to have turned away from religeon for various reasons.There are several reasons for the decline, natural wastage such as death, incapacitation, spiritual needs not being fulfilled, an imbalance due to the fact that more are exiting than are entering. All possibilities, should be taken into consideration in order to obtain a fairly unbiased picture of the whole scene. Interesting new study on trends for younger RC Finding - NONE are "devout" youtu.be/myGzvGCgnsc
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