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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 3:24:05 GMT -5
Mainstream christian churches have condemned as "fundamentalist" a church which operated a school based religious instruction course here in Australia. This "fundamentalist" church claimed that Jesus was the only way and the world was created in six day. The mainstream churches dispute this "literalist" reading of the bible, and said "other ways" are equally valid, including "aboriginal spirituality."
Are mainstream churches correct in believing this?
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Post by bubbles on Sept 22, 2014 3:43:43 GMT -5
Lol Is this in retaliation of the 'other' thread?
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Post by Mary on Sept 22, 2014 3:55:48 GMT -5
Many mainstream churches are fundamentalist. Many mainstream churches believe that Jesus is the only way and that the world was made in 6 days. Maybe you need to say there are some mainstream churches who say that - while many do not. Do not generalise, you make us all sound .............. ??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 3:58:49 GMT -5
Many mainstream churches are fundamentalist. Many mainstream churches believe that Jesus is the only way and that the world was made in 6 days. Maybe you need to say there are some mainstream churches who say that - while many do not. Do not generalise, you make us all sound .............. ?? it's a bit like ALL the workers getting lumped into the csa basket
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 5:17:30 GMT -5
Lol Is this in retaliation of the 'other' thread? No, I don't think so, it may be an attempt to explore the other side of the coin; nothing is wrong with that. There has been a decline in church attendances in many churches; many folks seems to have turned away from religeon for various reasons.There are several reasons for the decline, natural wastage such as death, incapacitation, spiritual needs not being fulfilled, an imbalance due to the fact that more are exiting than are entering. All possibilities, should be taken into consideration in order to obtain a fairly unbiased picture of the whole scene.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 22, 2014 5:47:14 GMT -5
I was teasing Bert.
There are many reasons church numbers reduce. What if the holy spirit vacated? What if the person was told to leave? Then there is the concept of the kingdom. Do you think the holy spirit is only active within the walls or perimetres of a fellowship or church building?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 6:50:21 GMT -5
I was teasing Bert. There are many reasons church numbers reduce. What if the holy spirit vacated? What if the person was told to leave? Then there is the concept of the kingdom. Do you think the holy spirit is only active within the walls or perimetres of a fellowship or church building? I tried to respond twice to your posting and both time they were mysteriously blocked or just vanished, I will try once more. In response to your question the answer is definitely no. I go by what Jesus has said about where two or three are gathered in His name, He would be there in the midst of them. He did not particularly specify any gathering in any particular church, did He?
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Post by bubbles on Sept 22, 2014 7:09:45 GMT -5
I was teasing Bert. There are many reasons church numbers reduce. What if the holy spirit vacated? What if the person was told to leave? Then there is the concept of the kingdom. Do you think the holy spirit is only active within the walls or perimetres of a fellowship or church building? I tried to respond twice to your posting and both time they were mysteriously blocked or just vanished, I will try once more. In response to your question the answer is definitely no. I go by what Jesus has said about where two or three are gathered in His name, He would be there in the midst of them. He did not particularly specify any gathering in any particular church, did He?
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Post by bubbles on Sept 22, 2014 7:10:04 GMT -5
I concur.
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Post by mdm on Sept 22, 2014 12:25:53 GMT -5
High on the list of reasons why people are leaving religion (organized or not) is that so much evil has been done in the name of religion and by the religious.
No wonder the Bible is full of warnings against spiritual abuse, spiritual dishonesty and pretense, against hypocrisy, false prophets and wolves in sheep's clothing. For us Christians, it is paramount that we examine ourselves and our faith communities (churches) and make sure we are really being the light and that there is nothing of darkness lurking beneath, so that we are not setting up stumbling blocks for others and misrepresenting God's truth.
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Post by blacksheep on Sept 22, 2014 17:16:05 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Sept 23, 2014 9:51:54 GMT -5
Many mainstream churches are fundamentalist. Many mainstream churches believe that Jesus is the only way and that the world was made in 6 days. Maybe you need to say there are some mainstream churches who say that - while many do not. Do not generalise, you make us all sound ..............????? Are there any mainstream Christian churches that deny that Jesus (Christianity) is the only way?
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Post by Scott Ross on Sept 23, 2014 13:02:25 GMT -5
Many mainstream churches are fundamentalist. Many mainstream churches believe that Jesus is the only way and that the world was made in 6 days. Maybe you need to say there are some mainstream churches who say that - while many do not. Do not generalise, you make us all sound .............. ?? Are there any mainstream Christian churches that deny that Jesus (Christianity) is the only way? Probably not 'mainstream' churches, but a lot of churches claiming to be Christian churches have set themselves up as being the only way to be led to Christ through them. They claim that Christ is the only way, but only if you go through them to get to Him.
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Post by rational on Sept 23, 2014 13:06:14 GMT -5
Are there any mainstream Christian churches that deny that Jesus (Christianity) is the only way? Probably not 'mainstream' churches, but a lot of churches claiming to be Christian churches have set themselves up as being the only way to be led to Christ through them. They claim that Christ is the only way, but only if you go through them to get to Him. Rephrased: Are there any Christian churches that deny that Christianity is the only way to gain eternal life?
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Post by Scott Ross on Sept 23, 2014 13:45:29 GMT -5
Probably not 'mainstream' churches, but a lot of churches claiming to be Christian churches have set themselves up as being the only way to be led to Christ through them. They claim that Christ is the only way, but only if you go through them to get to Him. Rephrased: Are there any Christian churches that deny that Christianity is the only way to gain eternal life? Not sure if there are "Christian churches" that deny that "Christianity" is the only way to gain eternal life. However, I believe that there are members of those churches who may believe differently. The term Christianity is a very loose term anymore it seems. Some churches refer to it as being their exclusive domain as they believe that 'they' are the 'only right way'. As we can see from discussions of the truth fellowship, many members do not believe all that is preached within their church, and in fact are proud that they are not 'the same the world over' as several have discussed the fact that it is okay to disagree with each other on various aspects of the fellowship. It is the same in other churches as well. People attend the church of their choice, and those teachings that do not line up with what they personally believe (based on their personal convictions) simply ignore those teachings and continue to attend because they like what their church has to offer However, I think that there are many who follow Christ that believe that God can't be put in a box, and therefore God doesn't belong to them, but to everyone. So....... they believe as they do, and allow others to believe (or not believe) as they wish and let God sort it out in His own way. Even you believe that you have the "god given right to always have the last word", and will fiercely defend that in the face of all obstacles that might face you.... Ha!!
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Post by faune on Sept 23, 2014 14:16:17 GMT -5
High on the list of reasons why people are leaving religion (organized or not) is that so much evil has been done in the name of religion and by the religious. No wonder the Bible is full of warnings against spiritual abuse, spiritual dishonesty and pretense, against hypocrisy, false prophets and wolves in sheep's clothing. For us Christians, it is paramount that we examine ourselves and our faith communities (churches) and make sure we are really being the light and that there is nothing of darkness lurking beneath, so that we are not setting up stumbling blocks for others and misrepresenting God's truth.
Maja ~ I agree! In fact, I was just reading Matthew 18 which deals with how we are to deal with evil behavior manifesting itself within a church body and how it's God's will in heaven that such be purged from our midst and not allowed to infect the whole church body. Also, in the same chapter, it confirms God's presence in the midst of even two or three individuals met in Jesus Name to remember and worship Him.
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+18 Matthew 18:15-20 ~ AMP Version
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 23, 2014 16:31:08 GMT -5
Many mainstream churches are fundamentalist. Many mainstream churches believe that Jesus is the only way and that the world was made in 6 days. Maybe you need to say there are some mainstream churches who say that - while many do not. Do not generalise, you make us all sound .............. ?? It wasn't Bert who said it. He was asking what we think of what someone else said. There might be a question about what is considered mainstream, however. Assuming "mainstream" means "Christian mainstream", then they all believe that Jesus is the only way. Otherwise they're not mainstream.
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Post by Mary on Sept 23, 2014 16:33:01 GMT -5
Probably not 'mainstream' churches, but a lot of churches claiming to be Christian churches have set themselves up as being the only way to be led to Christ through them. They claim that Christ is the only way, but only if you go through them to get to Him. Rephrased: Are there any Christian churches that deny that Christianity is the only way to gain eternal life? Ask Bert, he read it. But, yes there are mainstream churches that believe all religions lead to eternal life. They claim they all believe in the same God.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 23, 2014 16:36:00 GMT -5
Rephrased: Are there any Christian churches that deny that Christianity is the only way to gain eternal life? Ask Bert, he read it. But, yes there are mainstream churches that believe all religions lead to eternal life. They claim they all believe in the same God. Except Muslims. What do you consider a mainstream church?
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Post by Mary on Sept 23, 2014 16:38:00 GMT -5
NO, they claim muslims are saved........
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Post by Mary on Sept 23, 2014 16:39:01 GMT -5
Mainstream churches - Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist...... to name a few.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 23, 2014 16:44:19 GMT -5
NO, they claim muslims are saved........ The H... they do.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 23, 2014 16:46:16 GMT -5
Mainstream churches - Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist...... to name a few. They all believe "Jesus" is the only way. I'm not talking individual members - individual members believe what they want. But the church doctrine is that Jesus is the only way.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 23, 2014 16:52:08 GMT -5
NO, they claim muslims are saved........ So what is all the uproar about "Allah" not being the same as the Christian "God"? In know some individuals think Muslims are saved. I was more referring to the screaming people do about "Allah" not being the same thing as the Christian "God". Do you think they are the same?
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Post by Mary on Sept 23, 2014 16:59:15 GMT -5
I am talking about that 'we' are not the only way preached from some pulpits. People have left churches because of ministers preaching that Muslims and other religions believe in the same God so don't think we are the only one saved. Our friend Bert, has pointed this out.
I believe there is only one God, yes, but I also believe there is only one way to salvation, and that is through Jesus and his sacrifice on the Cross.
Uproar by some not all by any means.
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Post by rational on Sept 23, 2014 19:08:39 GMT -5
I am talking about that 'we' are not the only way preached from some pulpits. People have left churches because of ministers preaching that Muslims and other religions believe in the same God so don't think we are the only one saved. Our friend Bert, has pointed this out. I believe there is only one God, yes, but I also believe there is only one way to salvation, and that is through Jesus and his sacrifice on the Cross. Uproar by some not all by any means. Aren't people who believe and follow the teaching/sayings of Jesus generally considered Christians? Did Jesus not teach that the only way to eternal salvation was through himself? Are there 'Christians' who do not believe/follow what Jesus taught yet are considered Christians? Are there denominations, not individuals, who are considered Christian, who have a doctrine that states that people who do not follow Jesus can be saved? Or perhaps there is a different definition of Christian.
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Post by faune on Sept 23, 2014 20:18:31 GMT -5
Rephrased: Are there any Christian churches that deny that Christianity is the only way to gain eternal life? Ask Bert, he read it. But, yes there are mainstream churches that believe all religions lead to eternal life. They claim they all believe in the same God. I believe churches connected with Universalism believe along these lines? However, I have no problem with their beliefs either, since everyone has a right to choose their own path in life and they are the only ones who are responsible for their own actions, for better or worse.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universalism
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Post by Mary on Sept 23, 2014 21:04:47 GMT -5
I am talking about that 'we' are not the only way preached from some pulpits. People have left churches because of ministers preaching that Muslims and other religions believe in the same God so don't think we are the only one saved. Our friend Bert, has pointed this out. I believe there is only one God, yes, but I also believe there is only one way to salvation, and that is through Jesus and his sacrifice on the Cross. Uproar by some not all by any means. Aren't people who believe and follow the teaching/sayings of Jesus generally considered Christians? Did Jesus not teach that the only way to eternal salvation was through himself? Are there 'Christians' who do not believe/follow what Jesus taught yet are considered Christians? Are there denominations, not individuals, who are considered Christian, who have a doctrine that states that people who do not follow Jesus can be saved? Or perhaps there is a different definition of Christian. Just as there are different views on homosexuality in churches there are different ideas of what following the teachings of Jesus are. Some say it is judgemental to say those who believe in other religions are not saved or that it is not God's will that any perish. Remember people can twist anything to fit in with what they believe.
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