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Post by déjà vu on Aug 26, 2014 23:20:56 GMT -5
I had a talk with a F&W elder, he claims that God does not know the eternal future(destiny) of men .is this the prevailing view of the friends/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 23:43:56 GMT -5
I had a talk with a F&W elder, he claims that God does not know the eternal future(destiny) of men .is this the prevailing view of the friends/ i would have trouble in agreeing with this, God is all knowing i don't believe this is a common belief in the fellowship
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 11:47:03 GMT -5
I had a talk with a F&W elder, he claims that God does not know the eternal future(destiny) of men .is this the prevailing view of the friends/ because of freewill God doesn't know how it will end for men...
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Post by faune on Aug 28, 2014 12:11:40 GMT -5
I had a talk with a F&W elder, he claims that God does not know the eternal future(destiny) of men .is this the prevailing view of the friends/ because of freewill God doesn't know how it will end for men... Wally ~ I also believe that "freewill" has a lot to do with our destiny here and now and also affects the afterlife. This article appears to convey the same and seemingly covers all the questions that arise in such a discussion as this?
www.scriptureinsights.com/Foreknow.html
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Post by bubbles on Aug 28, 2014 13:01:15 GMT -5
I had a talk with a F&W elder, he claims that God does not know the eternal future(destiny) of men .is this the prevailing view of the friends/ That doesnt fit with omnipresent omnipotent being/power.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 18:53:31 GMT -5
because of freewill God doesn't know how it will end for men... Wally ~ I also believe that "freewill" has a lot to do with our destiny here and now and also affects the afterlife. This article appears to convey the same and seemingly covers all the questions that arise in such a discussion as this?
www.scriptureinsights.com/Foreknow.html
thats a very good site, thanks for posting it...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 19:28:32 GMT -5
It never fails to amaze me that any human thinks they know more than their Creator, and wish to limit His power in one way or another. It is something I expect from people professing no belief in God. But otherwise?
For me, God's foreknowledge does not dismiss, limit, nor detract from man's free will in any way whatsoever. Why? Because my God exists in the eternal future as well as the eternal past, being outside our time continuum. However, everyone will believe as they will, and what I believe has no bearing. If anyone wishes to know why I believe as I do, they can message me privately and I will answer as soon as I can in the same manner, and I have my reason for that also.
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Post by rational on Aug 31, 2014 13:04:31 GMT -5
I had a talk with a F&W elder, he claims that God does not know the eternal future(destiny) of men .is this the prevailing view of the friends/ because of freewill God doesn't know how it will end for men... God is not omniscient?
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Post by rational on Aug 31, 2014 13:11:46 GMT -5
It never fails to amaze me that any human thinks they know more than their Creator, and wish to limit His power in one way or another. It is something I expect from people professing no belief in God. But otherwise? People with no belief in god can neither limit nor enhance the power of another's god. Your god does not exist in the 'now' but only in the extremes?It may not change a person's belief but it is an interesting concept.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 13:15:59 GMT -5
because of freewill God doesn't know how it will end for men... God is not omniscient? Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. how could jesus marvel at something if he knew it was going to happen? freewill...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 13:24:37 GMT -5
Rat, my God is a Spirit existing as Father, Son and Holy Ghost. It appears to me He only appears in this time continuum as the Son (made flesh) and Holy Ghost. How and why this is possible I dunno other than that He is God. Smile, I remember being in MI black ops 50 years ago now, freeing me to talk about it. We were allowed to know things only on a "need to know" basis. Perhaps these are things which my God reveals on such a basis, and I do not need to know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 13:32:59 GMT -5
Wally, it seems to me from my study, that, while in the flesh Yahu'shuah clearly taught He Himself, was not omniscient, while teaching that The Father was. Part of the handicap of being human I guess, though it is also clear to me by what is recorded of Him that He did know some things beyond humanity's awareness.
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Post by rational on Aug 31, 2014 17:00:17 GMT -5
Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. how could Jesus marvel at something if he knew it was going to happen? freewill... At that point was Jesus 'wholly' god? Traditionally the christian god has been omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent. This does not necessarily mean that your god is. Over time I have discovered that the characteristics that people attribute to their gods is almost as varied as the number of posters!
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Post by rational on Aug 31, 2014 17:14:45 GMT -5
Smile, I remember being in MI black ops 50 years ago now, freeing me to talk about it. We were allowed to know things only on a "need to know" basis. When I was debriefed I was reminded several times of my lifetime commitment to protect the technology/information I had accessed/created. Different rules for different secrets!
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