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Post by déjà vu on Jul 20, 2014 20:11:56 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 20:14:44 GMT -5
many say he is because his name in roman numerials is 666... i think another is yet to come though because nero did not fulfill all of what is predicted of the beast...
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Jul 20, 2014 20:46:44 GMT -5
many say he is because his name in roman numerials is 666... i think another is yet to come though because nero did not fulfill all of what is predicted of the beast... In other words, since the Bible must be true (so it is not possible that John guessed wrong), we are forced to reject the most obvious interpretation, right? I go up against that assumption a lot.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 21, 2014 4:11:11 GMT -5
How about the Beast is within us all?
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Post by withlove on Jul 21, 2014 20:09:16 GMT -5
Nathan, you seem to have studied a lot about this kind of thing. Do you believe the Nephilim/giants from the fallen angels story? I haven't read enough to understand if reptilians are considered to be the same as giants. It sounds like they both are claimed to have the same bloodline.
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Post by withlove on Jul 22, 2014 16:51:13 GMT -5
Nathan, you seem to have studied a lot about this kind of thing. ~~ Welcome to TMB. I have been enjoy reading your posts. It has taken me two yrs to study about the 200 Fallen angels, who committed a horrible crime against humanity when they created their own hybrid race with the women of this earth= the Nephimlim/Giants... And with the dinosours= the Reptilians/Draco from the Draco constellation in our galaxy.2) Do you believe the Nephilim/giants from the fallen angels story? ~~ Yes. History Channel: The Book of Enoch Banned From the Bible www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbtKUb4bul4&feature=related
In the book of Enoch it speaks of 200 fallen angels having sexual relationship with the women of this earth to create their own hybrid race of Giants to rule the world.... By the 3rd century It was too much for the RCC theologians to grasp, they felt people through the century were NOT going to believe these supernatural events so they LEFT it out from the Book of the Bible... The first century apostles and the early church fathers believe/taught it and they used the book of Enoch as Scriptures... like the apostle Jude, Jesus, and Paul I Cor. about women covering their hair so the angels would NOT be tempted with their beauty (listen at 5:00 on the history Channel You-tube).3) I haven't read enough to understand if reptilians are considered to be the same as giants. It sounds like they both are claimed to have the same bloodline. ~~ Yes, the Reptilians and the Giants have the same bloodline... Both trace it Back to the Fallen angels and Satan as their fathers/creators.~~ 1) The fallen angels DNA mixed with the Dinasours DNA = The Reptilians/Draco... came from the Draco constellation in our Galaxy.
Where the Draconicans/Reptilians came from? They came from Draco constellation in our Milky way galaxies.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=09C30U1L6Vc
2) The Reptilians created the Greys as their servants to do the abduction on humans as experimentation subjects.... Lab rats... to create their own human/Reptilians race to be rulers/Control of the planet earth.
3) The fallen angels created the Nephilim/Giants to rule the planet earth in the Old Testament time. They existed before and after the flood. They were living in the Promised land and around the world.
~~ Book of Enoch/The Nephilim=Children of the Fallen Angels www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvkWZRlXgQE&feature=c-shelf-119 ~~ Baalbek/Beirut Gigantic Megalithic Stone blocks, Land Of The Giants www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC04CgoT7gY ~~ The Chart: Nimrod and the post-Flood Nephilim/Giants according to the Bible www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjms5fU9-9w
4) The Greys created the Pharaohs= demigods and their descendants, Romans Emperors, Kings and Queens of different nations to be Rulers and gods of the planet earth as their kingdoms.
~~ The Elite Serpent bloodline from ancient time Sumerian/Iraq, Egypt, descendants from Kings/emperors through the centuries around the world: China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Mayans, Hopi/Apache American Indians, Africa, Britain, and USA. www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD4rFQwZhJ4
~~ Pharaoh/Satanic Hybrid Bloodline of the Anti-Christ: One Family/Bloodline Rules the world more than 6000 yrs. Satan and his hybrid children are gods and rulers of this Earth (2 Corinthians 4:4)
~~ One bloodline Pharaoh of Egypt rules the world through the centuries. Genetic Hybrid DNA bloodline Serpent/Reptilians race = The Pharaoh of Egypt, Romans Emperors, Kings/Queens of Germans, France and England, many Presidents of USA, 13 Illuminati /Rothschild's gods, The Elites/rulers of this planet earth. www.youtube.com/watch?v=aARYTGlChek
~~ The Reptilians leaders are shape shifters and connected through bloodline. www.youtube.com/watch?v=NASnVmky184
I hope this brief history will help you to understand. Feel free to ask any questions.
Thank you for answering so extensively. I hadn't understood that there was a theory that allowed for both the nephilim and the reptiliians. Interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 5:51:04 GMT -5
Nero reigned 54 - 68AD. Why would the bible be interested in a long dead Roman emperor? The problem with saying that Nero is the Beast in Revelation is that we then see the bible in general, and Revelation in particular, as being books for their time - earth and time as opposed to the spirit and Heaven.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 1, 2014 15:09:00 GMT -5
Nero reigned 54 - 68AD. Why would the bible be interested in a long dead Roman emperor? The problem with saying that Nero is the Beast in Revelation is that we then see the bible in general, and Revelation in particular, as being books for their time - earth and time as opposed to the spirit and Heaven. That is exactly what those books are, the bible including Revelation, -were books about their times.
If they should name real people that lived after they were written, -names like Martin Luther, President Roosevelt, Neil Armstrong, -anyone who is actually known in history after the NT were written, then one might believe that they were foreseeing the future.
As it stands they didn't name anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 19:20:06 GMT -5
The authors of the bible had no interest in current secular historical figures. Not for want of knowing... The bible refers to our times, the "latter days" fairly specifically. ie the fall of Christianity the collapse of the churches the return of Jerusalem to the Jews the Jews taking back Israel "with the sword" the return of Palestine, from the world's backwater, to center stage
and next the Jews "all" living back in Israel (global anti-semitism?) safely in cities without walls an alliance between Israel and the "coast lands" (America?) the invasion of Israel by a nation from the "uttermost north" and allies in the middle east violent warfare with Israel's friend "sending fire" upon her enemy the invasion defeated when these allies turn on each other and all the cities of the world falling
... this was too fantastic to believe in the 19th Century - it's quite believable now.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 2, 2014 0:04:19 GMT -5
The authors of the bible had no interest in current secular historical figures.Not for want of knowing... The bible refers to our times, the "latter days" fairly specifically. ie the fall of Christianity the collapse of the churches the return of Jerusalem to the Jews the Jews taking back Israel "with the sword" the return of Palestine, from the world's backwater, to center stage and nextthe Jews "all" living back in Israel (global anti-semitism?) safely in cities without walls"
in alliance between Israel and the "coast lands" (America?)
the invasion of Israel by a nation from the "uttermost north" and allies in the middle east
violent warfare with Israel's friend "sending fire" upon her enemy
the invasion defeated when these allies turn on each other and all the cities of the world falling
... this was too fantastic to believe in the 19th Century - it's quite believable now. If the authors of the bible had no interest in current secular historical figures, why do Christians today keep attempting to interpret, "see," such figures & events being manifested from the bible in today's affairs?"The fall of Christianity" hasn't happened "the collapse of the churches" hasn't happened.
"the return of Jerusalem to the Jews" has happened, to a degree but Jerusalem is not totally in the hands of the Jews, -it is divided. "the Jews taking back Israel "with the sword" well maybe Now"the return of Palestine, from the world's backwater, to center stage" Palestine has hardly ever been "world's backwater" Don't forget the Crusades to take back the "Holy" land from those 'infidels'None of these bible references that you made for our times has happened."the Jews "all" living back in Israel (global anti-semitism?) safely in cities without walls"
"in alliance between Israel and the "coast lands" (America?)"
"the invasion of Israel by a nation from the "uttermost north" and allies in the middle east"
"violent warfare with Israel's friend "sending fire" upon her enemy"
"the invasion defeated when these allies turn on each other and all the cities of the world falling"
That makes ten (10) "prophecies" and only one out of those ten could be construed to have happened.
That is not very good numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 5:01:21 GMT -5
Israel was a "backwater" from Roman destruction till Constantine it became a backwater again after the Islamic conquest it remained a backwater right through the Ottoman era until WWI.
Christianity became a spent force after the 19th Century. in Europe today people who attend church are a minority kids in the USA have been described as belonging to a "post Christian" generation. the description of the fall of churches in Revelation 18 is currently NOW.
Christians who employ scripture for various secular figures or historic events usually (often) get it wrong. They fall for the trap of wanting their faith to be "relevant"
these events: "the Jews "all" living back in Israel (global anti-semitism?) safely in cities without walls" "in alliance between Israel and the "coast lands" (America?)" "the invasion of Israel by a nation from the "uttermost north" and allies in the middle east" "violent warfare with Israel's friend "sending fire" upon her enemy" "the invasion defeated when these allies turn on each other and all the cities of the world falling"
have not happened yet. but they are trending that way - and easily recognizable in current events
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 2, 2014 14:08:26 GMT -5
Israel was a "backwater" from Roman destruction till Constantine it became a backwater again after the Islamic conquest it remained a backwater right through the Ottoman era until WWI. Christianity became a spent force after the 19th Century. in Europe today people who attend church are a minority kids in the USA have been described as belonging to a "post Christian" generation. the description of the fall of churches in Revelation 18 is currently NOW. Christians who employ scripture for various secular figures or historic eventsusually (often) get it wrong. They fall for the trap of wanting their faith to be "relevant" these events: "the Jews "all" living back in Israel (global anti-semitism?) safely in cities without walls" "in alliance between Israel and the "coast lands" (America?)" "the invasion of Israel by a nation from the "uttermost north" and allies in the middle east" "violent warfare with Israel's friend "sending fire" upon her enemy" "the invasion defeated when these allies turn on each other and all the cities of the world falling"have not happened yet.but they are trending that way - and easily recognizable in current events You didn't say "Israel", Bert, you said "Palestine."
Where are your statistics that Christianity became a spent force after the 19th Century?
I thought you are a Christian? Isn't this what you are doing right now? Employing scripture for various secular figures or "historic events?" Even attempting to "foresee" something that hasn't happened ?
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Aug 2, 2014 17:11:33 GMT -5
For a person who believes Revelation is written for the future, it's difficult (not impossible) to believe it was originally written about Nero Caesar. But for scholars of first-century religion, there is simply no question. Even if perchance John DIDN'T write about Nero Caesar, as did other similar apocalyptic Jewish/Christian literature of that era, it still remains a fact that Christians for hundreds of years UNDERSTOOD Revelation to be predicting Nero's return from the dead...or perhaps that he still lived and would reappear. The legend of Nero's immortality is one of the best-attested political legends in history. Bert's claim that "The authors of the bible had no interest in current secular historical figures" is irrelevant because Nero was anything but a "secular historical figure." He was the religious competition of John's audience in Asia Minor, where the seven churches were located. He was worshiped there as a god. Revelation's opposition to the Imperial Cult (the worship of Roman emperors in Asia Minor) comes through loud and clear.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 2, 2014 20:42:14 GMT -5
For a person who believes Revelation is written for the future, it's difficult (not impossible) to believe it was originally written about Nero Caesar. But for scholars of first-century religion, there is simply no question. Even if perchance John DIDN'T write about Nero Caesar, as did other similar apocalyptic Jewish/Christian literature of that era, it still remains a fact that Christians for hundreds of years UNDERSTOOD Revelation to be predicting Nero's return from the dead...or perhaps that he still lived and would reappear. The legend of Nero's immortality is one of the best-attested political legends in history. Bert's claim that "The authors of the bible had no interest in current secular historical figures" is irrelevant because Nero was anything but a "secular historical figure." He was the religious competition of John's audience in Asia Minor, where the seven churches were located. He was worshiped there as a god. Revelation's opposition to the Imperial Cult (the worship of Roman emperors in Asia Minor) comes through loud and clear. Thanks, Dubious Disciple.
Since Nero was a center of the book of Revelation and a man of his time and the book itself a product of it's time; why should Revelation even be considered relevant in this day & age, 2000 yrs. later?
So much ink paper used in an attempt to make a book of it's time into a constant interpretation of Christian eschatology?
Why are Christians so anxious to know the "end times" that many constantly debate the book as if it reflects on our current events?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 21:59:49 GMT -5
Dmmichgood - I replied and hit the Home button by mistake. Re Palestine vs Israel Sloppy on my part, picky on yours. Re church decline When I was growing up Sunday you would hear the church bells pealing in my town. Many people would be walking or cycling to church in their Sunday Best. Try seeing that now. Here its market day, and the shops are mostly all open. Just another day. In the UK today Christianity is a minority religion. Try history Once the Christian church was so Powerful it was able to divide the world into two, for Portugal and Spain. That church determined who would sit on what throne - and crowned them. You can go to jail for not attending church, and the death penalty applied to adultery. And then there's the Inquisition. Read about it. The church could conduct its witch hunts through national, state and local governments due to the fear of its power and reach. nb I am not finding "relevance" myself in Revelation in the same way lots of religious people do. I recall someone saying the Rev "beast with ten horns" was the European Economic Community (ten countries) but there aint ten countries anymore, but sixteen. Go figure. It's the BROAD theme of Revelation we need to attend to. This theme is the end times, characterized by the fall of what we call Christianity and the second coming of Christ. Someone said they thought the red dragon is Communism - but I am wary of shoehorning phenomena like that into scripture. If some "Christians" thought Nero was in Revelation I would suggest they weren't of the Apostolic Church. How could those Roman era Christians think the fall of the church in Rev 18 was or had already happened under Nero et al, thirty years ago? How could the church collapse when it hadn't even started? "no more the candle... no more the bride and bridegroom..." that was centuries, millennium in the future.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 2, 2014 23:13:57 GMT -5
Dmmichgood - I replied and hit the Home button by mistake. Re Palestine vs Israel Sloppy on my part, picky on yours. Re church declineWhen I was growing up Sunday you would hear the church bells pealing in my town. Many people would be walking or cycling to church in their Sunday Best. Try seeing that now. Here its market day, and the shops are mostly all open. Just another day. In the UK today Christianity is a minority religion. Try history Once the Christian church was so Powerful it was able to divide the world into two, for Portugal and Spain. That church determined who would sit on what throne - and crowned them. You can go to jail for not attending church, and the death penalty applied to adultery. And then there's the Inquisition. Read about it. The church could conduct its witch hunts through national, state and local governments due to the fear of its power and reach. nb I am not finding "relevance" myself in Revelation in the same way lots of religious people do. I recall someone saying the Rev "beast with ten horns" was the European Economic Community (ten countries) but there aint ten countries anymore, but sixteen. Go figure. It's the BROAD theme of Revelation we need to attend to. This theme is the end times, characterized by the fall of what we call Christianity and the second coming of Christ. Someone said they thought the red dragon is Communism - but I am wary of shoehorning phenomena like that into scripture. If some "Christians" thought Nero was in Revelation I would suggest they weren't of the Apostolic Church. How could those Roman era Christians think the fall of the church in Rev 18 was or had already happened under Nero et al, thirty years ago? 'When I was growing up Sunday you would hear the church bells pealing in my town. Many people would be walking or cycling to church in their Sunday Best.' What was so wonderful about that?
"Once the Christian church was so Powerful it was able to divide the world into two, for Portugal and Spain. That church determined who would sit on what throne - and crowned them." Do you think this was a GOOD thing!
"You can go to jail for not attending church, and the death penalty applied to adultery." Surely you don't think this was a good thing to happen
"And then there's the Inquisition. Read about it. The church could conduct its witch hunts through national, state and local governments due to the fear of its power and reach." I have read about it! Good Lord! Surely you can't think that was a better time than NOW!
Why do we need to tend to the "BROAD theme of Revelation?" Why should we be so concerned about the end times?
Some people have worried themselves silly about the "end times" for 2000 years! I think that they would better off trying to solve the problems of the day!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 1:27:31 GMT -5
The whole point was to demonstrate the amazing decline in church power, influence, importance and wealth. (not to mention doctrinal decline)
Yes, people have worried about "end times" for 2,000 years. But in relation to THE BIBLE the end times are fairly specific --- 1 - rise and fall of false religion 2 - return of the Jews to Israel
If this was the year 1000 for instance, many people got their knickers in a knot, thinking the world was about to end. But if it was relation to the end times of Revelation they need not have bothered as there was no sign then of the collapse of the power and wealth of the church, no sign there would no more the candle, no sign there were no more church weddings and so forth. And no sign the Jews were about emigrate to Palestine en mass and seize Jerusalem from the Muslims.
So we need to attend to "signs" as Jesus said.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 3, 2014 1:58:09 GMT -5
The whole point was to demonstrate the amazing decline in church power, influence, importance and wealth. (not to mention doctrinal decline) Yes, people have worried about "end times" for 2,000 years. But in relation to THE BIBLE the end times are fairly specific --- 1 - rise and fall of false religion 2 - return of the Jews to Israel If this was the year 1000 for instance, many people got their knickers in a knot, thinking the world was about to end. But if it was relation to the end times of Revelation they need not have bothered as there was no sign then of the collapse of the power and wealth of the church, no sign there would no more the candle, no sign there were no more church weddings and so forth. And no sign the Jews were about emigrate to Palestine en mass and seize Jerusalem from the Muslims. So we need to attend to "signs" as Jesus said. What is the name of this "false religion? " 1 - rise and fall of false religion Can you give me verses for this? 2 - return of the Jews to Israel
Where do you find "signs" of these things happening now?
the collapse of the power and wealth of the church
Or any "signs" of these now
there would no more the candle? there were no more church weddings and so forth.
Can you show verses of where Jesus gave these "signs?"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 4:02:13 GMT -5
What is the name of this "false religion? " 1 - rise and fall of false religion No name is given. In Revelations it is simply the Harlot or the White Dragon. Interestingly, a reference to Rome suggests the Roman Catholic Church, but otherwise it is religion in general. Interestingly, one prophecy which speaks of Rome, the nation that will destroy even the Messiah, says it will fall, but never fall. Makes sense when you realise that after Rome there was Byzantine Rome, then the Holy Roman empire, the universal Roman church plus lots of pretenders to Roman glory.
Can you give me verses for this? 2 - return of the Jews to Israel This one is all through the Old and New Testament. Daniel and Ezekiel in particular. Jesus said Jerusalem would be trampled under the feet of the Gentiles until the Gentile time was complete.
Where do you find "signs" of these things happening now? Again, fall of the churches, return of the Jews.
the collapse of the power and wealth of the church That's everywhere. To really see it you must read about the wealth of the church until the 1900's.
Or any "signs" of these now there would no more the candle? there were no more church weddings and so forth. This tells you that fewer and fewer people will get married in churches. It tells you the traditional liturgies, symbolized by the candle, will vanish. And the church will become a cage of "hateful birds" --- I take that as meaning there will still be something resembling old style churches, but probably more political and activist.
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Post by snow on Aug 3, 2014 10:33:00 GMT -5
Every generation has thought the signs pointed to the end times. I don't understand why Christians are so focused on the end of the world? It makes absolutely no sense. There are groups working towards trying to speed the process up. What the heck is that about? What is wrong with making this world better instead of trying to end it?
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Post by snow on Aug 3, 2014 11:04:02 GMT -5
Every generation has thought the signs pointed to the end times. I don't understand why Christians are so focused on the end of the world? It makes absolutely no sense. There are groups working towards trying to speed the process up. What the heck is that about? What is wrong with making this world better instead of trying to end it? Because this old world has too much sufferings, pains, tears, sorrows, and deaths...
Revelation 21:3-5 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 1:1-2 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
There wouldn't be so much suffering if people learned how to get along!! We make our own hell here on earth with our wars and petty differences. We don't have to wait to die to have hell, we do just fine creating our own in the here and now! The danger of religion is that it makes people put to much emphasis on rewards to come so all they look forward to is dying and getting to this grand reward. Instead it would make more sense to work on making a 'heaven' here on earth by learning how to get along and many other changes we could make to have earth be a better place to be. The Christian Fundamentalists that are giving money to Israel so they can continue the unrest in the Middle East is a great example of religious belief in action. Do you think they would be funding Israel if they didn't believe that was the location of Jesus return? That the return of Jesus is contingent upon Israel being a state? I doubt it very much. They would be hold no more attention than two African countries committing genocide on another country.
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Post by snow on Aug 3, 2014 11:17:58 GMT -5
There wouldn't be so much suffering if people learned how to get along!! We make our own hell here on earth with our wars and petty differences. We don't have to wait to die to have hell, we do just fine creating our own in the here and now! The danger of religion is that it makes people put to much emphasis on rewards to come so all they look forward to is dying and getting to this grand reward. Instead it would make more sense to work on making a 'heaven' here on earth by learning how to get along and many other changes we could make to have earth be a better place to be. The Christian Fundamentalists that are giving money to Israel so they can continue the unrest in the Middle East is a great example of religious belief in action. Do you think they would be funding Israel if they didn't believe that was the location of Jesus return? That the return of Jesus is contingent upon Israel being a state? I doubt it very much. They would be hold no more attention than two African countries committing genocide on another country. We can't NEVER get along because we have Satan, 1/3 od fallen angels, who are keep on stirring up the pot, making troubles for everyone. Many of the people and races are his children ... Darkness and Light can't be mixed... Just like Oil and Water... Satan wants this earth to be LIVING HELL for all of us.
Kerry Cassidy Camelot CEO projects AMAZING TALKS about various ET Races she met and know about. There are hundreds aliens species. Their agenda on earth planet. Humans have 12 aliens genes combine in us. Illuminati have stronger Reptilians genes. Wars among us because many of our ancestors aliens races in us. Nordics, Tall whites, Reptilians, Greys, etc.. (at 10:00) www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP-pASwPrPgNot if you keep telling yourself there is a Satan! Another danger of believing in religion. How will we ever get along as long as this type of belief is out there? There is no Satan, just a bunch of greedy immature humans that have decided that they don't need to work on getting along because when they die they are going to something way better. The delusion that there is a punishment or reward when we die is keeping humans from any growth toward bettering themselves now. If you believe humans can never get along because there is an entity called Satan, just how hard do you think those with that belief will work towards getting along?
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Post by snow on Aug 3, 2014 13:10:16 GMT -5
Not if you keep telling yourself there is a Satan! Another danger of believing in religion. How will we ever get along as long as this type of belief is out there? There is no Satan, just a bunch of greedy immature humans that have decided that they don't need to work on getting along because when they die they are going to something way better. The delusion that there is a punishment or reward when we die is keeping humans from any growth toward bettering themselves now. If you believe humans can never get along because there is an entity called Satan, just how hard do you think those with that belief will work towards getting along? I will answer your post later must get ready for Sunday meeting... Thanks. Satan and fallen angels, are real we READ and SEE their handy works for millions of years.Ok, enjoy your meeting. Glad you are able to attend again.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 3, 2014 16:05:57 GMT -5
What is the name of this "false religion? " 1 - rise and fall of false religion No name is given. In Revelations it is simply the Harlot or the White Dragon. Interestingly, a reference to Rome suggests the Roman Catholic Church, but otherwise it is religion in general. Interestingly, one prophecy which speaks of Rome, the nation that will destroy even the Messiah, says it will fall, but never fall. Makes sense when you realise that after Rome there was Byzantine Rome, then the Holy Roman empire, the universal Roman church plus lots of pretenders to Roman glory.Can you give me verses for this? 2 - return of the Jews to IsraelThis one is all through the Old and New Testament. Daniel and Ezekiel in particular. Jesus said Jerusalem would be trampled under the feet of the Gentiles until the Gentile time was complete.Where do you find "signs" of these things happening now?Again, fall of the churches, return of the Jews.the collapse of the power and wealth of the churchThat's everywhere. To really see it you must read about the wealth of the church until the 1900's.Or any "signs" of these now there would no more the candle? there were no more church weddings and so forth.This tells you that fewer and fewer people will get married in churches.
It tells you the traditional liturgies, symbolized by the candle, will vanish.
And the church will become a cage of "hateful birds" --- I take that as meaning there will still be something resembling old style churches, but probably more political and activist. Bert! I asked you for proof that these things are actually happening NOW!
You just keep repeating your ideas without any proof that those things are happening TODAY in our time!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 16:13:10 GMT -5
What is the name of this "false religion? " 1 - rise and fall of false religion No name is given. In Revelations it is simply the Harlot or the White Dragon. Interestingly, a reference to Rome suggests the Roman Catholic Church, but otherwise it is religion in general. Interestingly, one prophecy which speaks of Rome, the nation that will destroy even the Messiah, says it will fall, but never fall. Makes sense when you realise that after Rome there was Byzantine Rome, then the Holy Roman empire, the universal Roman church plus lots of pretenders to Roman glory.Can you give me verses for this? 2 - return of the Jews to IsraelThis one is all through the Old and New Testament. Daniel and Ezekiel in particular. Jesus said Jerusalem would be trampled under the feet of the Gentiles until the Gentile time was complete.Where do you find "signs" of these things happening now?Again, fall of the churches, return of the Jews.the collapse of the power and wealth of the churchThat's everywhere. To really see it you must read about the wealth of the church until the 1900's.Or any "signs" of these now there would no more the candle? there were no more church weddings and so forth.This tells you that fewer and fewer people will get married in churches.
It tells you the traditional liturgies, symbolized by the candle, will vanish.
And the church will become a cage of "hateful birds" --- I take that as meaning there will still be something resembling old style churches, but probably more political and activist. Bert! I asked you for proof that these things are actually happening NOW!
You just keep repeating your ideas without any proof that those things are happening TODAY in our time!
concerning the return of the jews you should watch "quest for the lost tribes" by simcha jacobovici there is an effort being made to bring all the tribes back to isreal by the isreali gov't...
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 3, 2014 16:19:02 GMT -5
Every generation has thought the signs pointed to the end times. I don't understand why Christians are so focused on the end of the world? It makes absolutely no sense. There are groups working towards trying to speed the process up. What the heck is that about? What is wrong with making this world better instead of trying to end it? Because this old world has too much sufferings, pains, tears, sorrows, and deaths...
Revelation 21:3-5 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 1:1-2 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Of course! That is why people created religion in the first place! Life can be full of sufferings but also can be full of joy! We need to face the reality of life!
We can try to help others & ease their sufferings instead of just throwing in the towel and working toward a return to the mythical garden of Eden!
Not only crazy but really dangerous!
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 3, 2014 18:30:02 GMT -5
Of course! That is why people created religion in the first place! Life can be full of sufferings but also can be full of joy! We need to face the reality of life!
We can try to help others & ease their sufferings instead of just throwing in the towel and working toward a return to the mythical garden of Eden!
Not only crazy but really dangerous!
The Garden of Eden/Somewhere in Iraq.... Adam and Eve.... Satan= Serpent/Reptilian are NOT mythical event but an actual historical event. Garden of Eden was the place where the trouble/sin/disobedience of human beings began. I know, Nathan, - I know that what Eden was. But isn't an "after life of eternity with a god" supposed to be the perfect place, kind of like a return to the "perfect Eden?"
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 3, 2014 22:54:24 GMT -5
We can't NEVER get along because we have Satan, 1/3 of fallen angels, who are keep on stirring up the pot, making troubles for everyone. Many of the people and races are his children ... Darkness and Light can't be mixed... Just like Oil and Water... Satan wants this earth to be LIVING HELL for all of us.
In most all religions there is the concept of a duality of 'good & evil'. The concept is made into tangible entities of 'gods & evil spirits' resulting in the legends & myths of that religion, whether it is Jewish, Christianity, Hindu or Native American.
If one wants to believe it is the Jewish-Christian one, -they are free to do so.
However, it would be a good idea if they studied the evolution of the world's religions to get a bigger picture from history of what & why people believe their particular religion.
The idea that "We (can't NEVER? double negative..) I suppose you meant we CAN NEVER or CAN'T EVER GET along" is what keeps people from trying to get along to together and a defeatist attitude as well as dangerous.
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