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Post by sharingtheriches on Apr 21, 2014 8:55:39 GMT -5
True! BTW, has anyone thought that according to the Jewish calendar that "Easter" or the "resurrection" didn't come on Sunday this year? Wow! Us Christian are off the boat with this, eh? Where did you learn this? Easter by definition falls on a Sunday, as does Ash Wednesday always fall on a Wednesday. As I was speaking to Easter being perhaps symbolism for the Passover which is celebrated on the 14th day of Nisan, which seems to be correlated to April on our calendars...thus Passover was celebrated a week ago today on Mon. the 14th of April. And of course, Easter is a Christian holiday but yet speaks to the Passover of the God's Chirst!.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 21, 2014 15:34:32 GMT -5
Where did you learn this? Easter by definition falls on a Sunday, as does Ash Wednesday always fall on a Wednesday. As I was speaking to Easter being perhaps symbolism for the Passover which is celebrated on the 14th day of Nisan, which seems to be correlated to April on our calendars...thus Passover was celebrated a week ago today on Mon. the 14th of April. And of course, Easter is a Christian holiday but yet speaks to the Passover of the God's Chirst!. "Easter" is a transformation of a Pagan name, but Christians have adopted it because they set the resurrection date to match the Pagan festival of (springtime) rebirth -- eggs and rabbits, etc. The Church chose that date for Easter in 325 C.E. But Easter is not a "date" on any calendar like Christmas is. It is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Spring equinox.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 21, 2014 16:07:38 GMT -5
Where did you learn this? Easter by definition falls on a Sunday, as does Ash Wednesday always fall on a Wednesday. As I was speaking to Easter being perhaps symbolism for the Passover which is celebrated on the 14th day of Nisan, which seems to be correlated to April on our calendars...thus Passover was celebrated a week ago today on Mon. the 14th of April. And of course, Easter is a Christian holiday but yet speaks to the Passover of the God's Chirst!. I forgot to add: I don't get the connection between the Passover and Easter. They represent different things, and they most often don't coincide in dates. 2015 - Easter Apr. 5 -- Passover Apr. 3-11 2016 - Easter Mar 27 -- Passover Apr. 22-30 2017 - Easter Apr. 15 -- Passover Apr. 10-18 I know that Messianic Jews and some fundamentalist groups like to do something with the Passover, but does Jesus' resurrection have any resemblance to the Passover other than in some constructed doctrine?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Apr 22, 2014 9:26:47 GMT -5
As I was speaking to Easter being perhaps symbolism for the Passover which is celebrated on the 14th day of Nisan, which seems to be correlated to April on our calendars...thus Passover was celebrated a week ago today on Mon. the 14th of April. And of course, Easter is a Christian holiday but yet speaks to the Passover of the God's Chirst!. I forgot to add: I don't get the connection between the Passover and Easter. They represent different things, and they most often don't coincide in dates. 2015 - Easter Apr. 5 -- Passover Apr. 3-11 2016 - Easter Mar 27 -- Passover Apr. 22-30 2017 - Easter Apr. 15 -- Passover Apr. 10-18 I know that Messianic Jews and some fundamentalist groups like to do something with the Passover, but does Jesus' resurrection have any resemblance to the Passover other than in some constructed doctrine? There are many analogies between the Passover scripture and Jesus' crucifiction and resurrection...I think Stanne would be a good one to put this together for you. However I understand that Jesus is the "Lord's Lamb"...I believe that phrase is in REvs. 21 or 22! For the Lord's Lamb is the light of it, speaking of heaven where there was no sun nor artificial light and not needced. The Passover has 4 or 5 sections to it, one being "salvation" and yes it was salvation from a life of slavery from the Egyptians, then redemption has a cost, so the "blood of the lamb" of each children of Israel's home had the lentils or the posts around their doors painted with the sacrificial lamb's blood so that the avenging death angel would not destroy their "firstborns" as it planned to do the Egyptians. Salvation comes to Chrsitian from the Lamb's of life's blood! Salvation came to the coI's b y the sacrificial lamb's blood...which they ate with their clothing and all their earthly b elongings strapped to their backs. Then the unleavened bread speaks of the body of C hrist which was not "leavened" with anything of this world...his natural flesh was made perfect through suffering...I think John's epistle mentions...thus the "bread" or unleavened bread the Lamb of God's body which Christians partake of which is the "Word of God"...... There are other similiarities or foreshadowing or types of one to the other. In the Easter pageant, the Christians celebrate Jesus' crucifiction and then on Easter Sunday morning they celebrate his REsurrection unto life everlasting, eternal. The redeeming blood of our Saviour, the feeding by his flesh, it being unleavened...etc
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 22, 2014 17:18:19 GMT -5
I forgot to add: I don't get the connection between the Passover and Easter. They represent different things, and they most often don't coincide in dates. 2015 - Easter Apr. 5 -- Passover Apr. 3-11 2016 - Easter Mar 27 -- Passover Apr. 22-30 2017 - Easter Apr. 15 -- Passover Apr. 10-18 I know that Messianic Jews and some fundamentalist groups like to do something with the Passover, but does Jesus' resurrection have any resemblance to the Passover other than in some constructed doctrine? There are many analogies between the Passover scripture and Jesus' crucifiction and resurrection...I think Stanne would be a good one to put this together for you. However I understand that Jesus is the "Lord's Lamb"...I believe that phrase is in REvs. 21 or 22! For the Lord's Lamb is the light of it, speaking of heaven where there was no sun nor artificial light and not needced. The Passover has 4 or 5 sections to it, one being "salvation" and yes it was salvation from a life of slavery from the Egyptians, then redemption has a cost, so the "blood of the lamb" of each children of Israel's home had the lentils or the posts around their doors painted with the sacrificial lamb's blood so that the avenging death angel would not destroy their "firstborns" as it planned to do the Egyptians. Salvation comes to Chrsitian from the Lamb's of life's blood! Salvation came to the coI's b y the sacrificial lamb's blood...which they ate with their clothing and all their earthly b elongings strapped to their backs. Then the unleavened bread speaks of the body of C hrist which was not "leavened" with anything of this world...his natural flesh was made perfect through suffering...I think John's epistle mentions...thus the "bread" or unleavened bread the Lamb of God's body which Christians partake of which is the "Word of God"...... There are other similiarities or foreshadowing or types of one to the other. In the Easter pageant, the Christians celebrate Jesus' crucifiction and then on Easter Sunday morning they celebrate his REsurrection unto life everlasting, eternal. The redeeming blood of our Saviour, the feeding by his flesh, it being unleavened...etc Yes, I know there are lots of other similarities, and I know that Christians absolutely love anything they can make a foreshadowing out of. Creative minds have been weaving OT-NT parallels since Paul started preaching, but for some strange reason Christians in general know nothing at all about Jewish theology, or how different it is from Christian theology. In an objective world such parallels and foreshadowings are called the retelling of ancient myths until they fit the doctrine you want, until Christians decided to call them history. It's just that simple. There is nothing in Christian doctrine today that is not more clearly paralleled in Paganism than it is in the Old Testament. And the Christians who adopted it from Paganism have skillfully hidden its true origin and done their best to make Christianity look like it is a continuation of Judaism. It's not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 18:07:14 GMT -5
Quote - "Creative minds have been weaving OT-NT parallels since Paul started preaching"
Ever read Luke's Gospel? Luke loved to draw together the symbols of the OT and how they pesaged the coming of the Messiah. And didn't Jesus Himself draw such parallels?
My favorite is the blood of the lamb - brought into the people's midst, a perfect young male lamb. Killed the third day and consumed WHOLE (ie not just the palatable bits) and its blood daubed upon the lintel to protect that household from the angel of death which went over Egypt. This is the situation we are all in today.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Apr 23, 2014 9:28:38 GMT -5
Quote - " Creative minds have been weaving OT-NT parallels since Paul started preaching" Ever read Luke's Gospel? Luke loved to draw together the symbols of the OT and how they pesaged the coming of the Messiah. And didn't Jesus Himself draw such parallels? My favorite is the blood of the lamb - brought into the people's midst, a perfect young male lamb. Killed the third day and consumed WHOLE (ie not just the palatable bits) and its blood daubed upon the lintel to protect that household from the angel of death which went over Egypt. This is the situation we are all in today. Whether it was the Christians who are using Paganistic rites etc. or was it the OT people who used what people before them used? I mean, if the pagan rites are older then the NT what keeps pagans from claiming that their revered rites are older then the OT? I still feel that yes, some religious rites and doctrines are copies of other people's beliefs and ways of doing, etc that it still is that it is like history repeating itself over and over again. Christians have not learned the fallibility of the pagan or the OT rites lessons, but they learn the doctrines and beliefs and practices...same as what we see today in the Russia dictator who is taking over the European continent bravely just as in the Iron Curtain and Communist glory days...but again here he is not using the lessons taught from the previous dictatorships but just running willy-nilly with the parts that are netting him a dictatorship! Also the US hasn't learned anything either.....until a country ASKS for the defense, why butt in to such a dictator's rulership and taking over countries not originally his? Maybe those countries are looking at the "good" that Communism gives in that everybody is going to be "equally" served by the dictatorship. As if it ever was or ever shall be, eh
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