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Post by snow on Dec 3, 2013 18:59:53 GMT -5
No I don't think so. Caiaphas and Pilate were close according to the Zealot and if someone upset Caiaphas, Pilate would get rid of him for him. The Jews weren't allowed to do the death penalty so if Caiaphas wanted someone dead he had to enlist the Roman Governor. When Jesus came into the temple and overturned the tables and attacked the integrity of the priests there, he signed his death warrant. No, god and Caiaphas both felt it was expedient for one person to die for the good of many. Okay then... there ya go.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 3, 2013 19:24:13 GMT -5
So now you think I need to explain my explanation to myself. I already know the explanation for my explanation.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 3, 2013 20:34:10 GMT -5
I got the book, Zealot, today. Looks interesting. Thanks, snow, for the recommendation.
BTW, I just put Dawkin's book The God Delusion for sell on Amazon today.
Also one by Marcus J. Borg, Jesus a New Vision.
I don't know much about Borg or the book, -just ran across it at a sale & got it to put on my book store.
Guess what!? I've already sold Dawkin's book The God Delusion!
Made a 100% profit!
But before you think I'm making millions selling books: I bought the book for 50 cents & sold it for $5.00!
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Post by rational on Dec 3, 2013 20:47:42 GMT -5
Guess what!? I've already sold Dawkin's book The God Delusion!Made a 100% profit! But before you think I'm making millions selling books: I bought the book for 50 cents & sold it for $5.00! You need to buy a math book!
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 3, 2013 20:56:01 GMT -5
Some atheists I know have demonstrated that there is not always a cause for things that happen. They're crazy aren't they. An astute atheist will argue that there is not always an apparent cause for things that happen. In fact, unless I am mistaken the cosmological argument put forth by theists is all about cause and effect. All about the first cause. Atheists and theists have common ground after all. Atheists usually contract the consideration of all causes to a box of empirical perception. "Atheists usually contract the consideration of all causes to a box" Box?
And what do you do?
Expand perception to include anything & everything that people can imagine? Every god that ever existed in mankind's individual and/or collective "preception" of reality?
From dragons of all colors & green or multicolored unicorns, elves, fairies, gnomes and anything everything else they believe that they perceive?
That is the problem of allowing that you can believe in any paranormal, or supernatural entity.
You can't limit it to only one, the one that you want to believe
Once you have opened up the idea that you can do that, you have to admit to yourself that after all, just maybe any or all the others can also exist.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 3, 2013 21:06:25 GMT -5
Guess what!? I've already sold Dawkin's book The God Delusion!Made a 100% profit! But before you think I'm making millions selling books: I bought the book for 50 cents & sold it for $5.00! You need to buy a math book! Rational, I knew I could count on you if I made a mistake!
See, when I say numbers are another "language" I simply don't understand, believe me!
It's too late, I'm too old to get any help from any math book.
So, what percentage did I make?
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 3, 2013 21:31:23 GMT -5
You need to buy a math book! Rational, I knew I could count on you if I made a mistake!
See, when I say numbers are another "language" I simply don't understand, believe me!
It's too late, I'm too old to get any help from any math book.
So, what percentage did I make?
That's 900 percent. You didn't know you were a predatory capitalist, did you???
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Post by Lee on Dec 4, 2013 10:47:12 GMT -5
They're crazy aren't they. An astute atheist will argue that there is not always an apparent cause for things that happen. Atheists and theists have common ground after all. Atheists usually contract the consideration of all causes to a box of empirical perception. "Atheists usually contract the consideration of all causes to a box" Box?
And what do you do?
Expand perception to include anything & everything that people can imagine? Every god that ever existed in mankind's individual and/or collective "preception" of reality?
From dragons of all colors & green or multicolored unicorns, elves, fairies, gnomes and anything everything else they believe that they perceive?
That is the problem of allowing that you can believe in any paranormal, or supernatural entity.
You can't limit it to only one, the one that you want to believe
Once you have opened up the idea that you can do that, you have to admit to yourself that after all, just maybe any or all the others can also exist.
Given our desire for order and the spectacular examples of order and design in the world its most reasonable to conclude that the world emanates from something ordered unto itself.
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Post by Lee on Dec 4, 2013 10:47:54 GMT -5
So now you think I need to explain my explanation to myself. I already know the explanation for my explanation. This is where we care and share, go ahead.
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Post by Lee on Dec 4, 2013 10:52:31 GMT -5
Play it safe then. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin Lee, we're talking about the history of 2000 years ago. Why would I need to be on anyone's 'side'? Because those who don't remember (or learn) from the past are condemned to repeat it. I don't see how relating history without taking sides is somehow 'playing it safe'. Belief in a God seems to be just that 'playing it safe' imo. However, that's not what I was referring to when talking about the actual history of the times that Jesus lived in.
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Post by rational on Dec 4, 2013 10:53:50 GMT -5
Given our desire for order and the spectacular examples of order and design in the world its most reasonable to conclude that the world emanates from something ordered unto itself. What are some of these spectacular examples of order? The design flaws have been pointed out again and again. Things happened and here we are!
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Post by Lee on Dec 4, 2013 10:58:40 GMT -5
Yeah well is the glass half-full or half-empty. Maybe that is the essential difference between believer and sleeper. Have a good day.
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Post by rational on Dec 4, 2013 11:19:57 GMT -5
Yeah well is the glass half-full or half-empty. Maybe that is the essential difference between believer and sleeper. Have a good day. Oddly enough, no spectacular examples of order and design. Maybe the glasses were arranged in an interesting order.
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Post by snow on Dec 4, 2013 12:26:00 GMT -5
Lee, we're talking about the history of 2000 years ago. Why would I need to be on anyone's 'side'? Because those who don't remember (or learn) from the past are condemned to repeat it. I don't see how relating history without taking sides is somehow 'playing it safe'. Belief in a God seems to be just that 'playing it safe' imo. However, that's not what I was referring to when talking about the actual history of the times that Jesus lived in. I still don't understand how taking sides somehow makes me better able to learn from the past? I am quite capable of seeing what happened and learn without having to take sides especially when we don't have an absolutely clear picture of what happened to go by.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 4, 2013 14:01:36 GMT -5
Rational, I knew I could count on you if I made a mistake!
See, when I say numbers are another "language" I simply don't understand, believe me!
It's too late, I'm too old to get any help from any math book.
So, what percentage did I make?
That's 900 percent. You didn't know you were a predatory capitalist, did you??? "predatory capitalist"? Oh, no!! How could I?! Now I'll have to return some of that money back to the buyer.
Now how about this? I also sold TOLKIEN's, The Silmarillion for $50. Someone lapped that one up the next day, however some like it are selling for $100 and more.
If you find a first ed. with the error of instead of listing "Farmer Giles of Ham" states "Father Giles of Ham" it would be in the thousands of dollars. So keep your eyes open- I'll give you a finder's fee!
Most of the time I have just $5 sales.
Right now I have over two thousand books, old sheet music, old movies for sale on Amazon.
It is interesting and keeps me busy & out of trouble.
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Post by snow on Dec 4, 2013 14:05:56 GMT -5
That's 900 percent. You didn't know you were a predatory capitalist, did you??? "predatory capitalist"? Oh, no!! How could I?! Now I'll have to return some of that money back to the buyer.
Now how about this? I also sold TOLKIEN's, The Silmarillion for $50. Someone lapped that one up the next day, however some like it are selling for $100 and more.
If you find a first ed. with the error of instead of listing "Farmer Giles of Ham" states "Father Giles of Ham" it would be in the thousands of dollars. So keep your eyes open- I'll give you a finder's fee!
Most of the time I have just $5 sales.
Right now I have over two thousand books, old sheet music, old movies for sale on Amazon.
It is interesting and keeps me busy & out of trouble.
Does it cost you anything to sell on Amazon?
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 4, 2013 16:10:19 GMT -5
So now you think I need to explain my explanation to myself. I already know the explanation for my explanation. This is where we care and share, go ahead. I already shared. Read it again. Or do you need it translated into words with more syllables and strange innuendo?
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 4, 2013 16:14:14 GMT -5
That's 900 percent. You didn't know you were a predatory capitalist, did you??? "predatory capitalist"? Oh, no!! How could I?! Now I'll have to return some of that money back to the buyer.
Now how about this? I also sold TOLKIEN's, The Silmarillion for $50. Someone lapped that one up the next day, however some like it are selling for $100 and more.
If you find a first ed. with the error of instead of listing "Farmer Giles of Ham" states "Father Giles of Ham" it would be in the thousands of dollars. So keep your eyes open- I'll give you a finder's fee!
Most of the time I have just $5 sales.
Right now I have over two thousand books, old sheet music, old movies for sale on Amazon.
It is interesting and keeps me busy & out of trouble.
Maybe you're not a predatory capitalist after all. How about a shrewd treasure hunter?
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 4, 2013 19:18:31 GMT -5
Maybe you're not a predatory capitalist after all. How about a shrewd treasure hunter? That's more like it!
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Post by Lee on Dec 4, 2013 20:28:36 GMT -5
Yeah well is the glass half-full or half-empty. Maybe that is the essential difference between believer and sleeper. Have a good day. Oddly enough, no spectacular examples of order and design. Maybe the glasses were arranged in an interesting order. Or maybe you just need glasses.
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Post by Lee on Dec 4, 2013 20:34:48 GMT -5
This is where we care and share, go ahead. I already shared. Read it again. Or do you need it translated into words with more syllables and strange innuendo? I didn't see it. Where did you explain how the RCC's compilation of books which check the divine right of human organization and kings could somehow simultaneously constitute an unfortunate or intentional conspiracy against mankind?
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Post by Lee on Dec 4, 2013 20:54:03 GMT -5
Because those who don't remember (or learn) from the past are condemned to repeat it. I still don't understand how taking sides somehow makes me better able to learn from the past? I am quite capable of seeing what happened and learn without having to take sides especially when we don't have an absolutely clear picture of what happened to go by. Its clear enough for me. God sent his canary into the mine and it didn't come out. Either the world sucks or its peachy or nothing matters anyway. "Nothing Matters and What if it Did?" John Cougar Mellencamp - victim or exhibit of postmodernism and all things vain (the album title anyway)
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 4, 2013 21:02:23 GMT -5
Yeah well is the glass half-full or half-empty. Maybe that is the essential difference between believer and sleeper. Have a good day. ["glass half-full or half-empty?" "difference between believer and sleeper."?] Maybe you could explain just what you mean by this?
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 4, 2013 21:05:14 GMT -5
Does it cost you anything to sell on Amazon? Yes, there is a fee but it is very little & I haven't paid any attention to just how much it is.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 4, 2013 21:27:28 GMT -5
I already shared. Read it again. Or do you need it translated into words with more syllables and strange innuendo? I didn't see it. Where did you explain how the RCC's compilation of books which check the divine right of human organization and kings could somehow simultaneously constitute an unfortunate or intentional conspiracy against mankind? You obviously didn't see it -- if you think I said something about what you wrote here. Because I certainly didn't write anything about any of that. But I am interested -- you've been asking me to explain something that you say you've never read. ??
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 4, 2013 21:28:58 GMT -5
Yeah well is the glass half-full or half-empty. Maybe that is the essential difference between believer and sleeper. Have a good day. ["glass half-full or half-empty?" "difference between believer and sleeper."?] Maybe you could explain just what you mean by this?He might have forgotten what it was in reference to!! Poor Lee
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 4, 2013 21:32:25 GMT -5
["glass half-full or half-empty?" "difference between believer and sleeper."?] Maybe you could explain just what you mean by this? He might have forgotten what it was in reference to!! Poor Lee Maybe he has got his nose stuck into a dictionary finding "new" words to respond!
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Post by snow on Dec 4, 2013 22:10:14 GMT -5
I still don't understand how taking sides somehow makes me better able to learn from the past? I am quite capable of seeing what happened and learn without having to take sides especially when we don't have an absolutely clear picture of what happened to go by. Its clear enough for me. God sent his canary into the mine and it didn't come out. Either the world sucks or its peachy or nothing matters anyway. "Nothing Matters and What if it Did?" John Cougar Mellencamp - victim or exhibit of postmodernism and all things vain (the album title anyway) Well if the Buddhists are right, the world is just an illusion anyway. So maybe nothing really matters. However, I see it as things do matter because we live this life and are either happy or sad, and if we can do things that make people happy, then that matters to me. Maybe it's as simple as life is what matters to us. In a real sense that seems to be what's going on anyway. Each of us has a perception of life and what makes it good or bad. Then we proceed to try to avoid the things that make it bad.
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