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Post by faune on Sept 4, 2014 1:37:43 GMT -5
I enjoyed reviewing this old thread of mine relating to Sacred Texts that proved Jesus of Nazareth did indeed exist back in the first century and was crucified under Pilate, regardless of the myth promoters who would have us believe differently about Jesus' actual existence in history. Even Bart Ehrman addresses this fact in his recent book, Did Jesus Exist? He also brings out the discrepancies and errors found within the reasoning of the Jesus myth supporters. It doesn't matter to me whether Jesus of Nazareth did or did not exist back in the first century and was crucified under Pilate.
What I do not believe is that a man called Jesus or by any other name, rose from the dead & was taken up into the sky.
That is the MYTH side of the story & I don't believe that happened.
DMG ~ Well, you are not alone in your opinion when you review the different modern day Bible scholars and their writings on this subject. Bart Ehrman is also not convinced of the resurrection and believe the gospel accounts may be embellished or fabricated in a number of areas. However, he still believes from the annals of history that a man called Jesus of Nazareth did walk the earth, had disciples who followed him, did wonders among the people, and died by crucifixion. The rest of the story is debated along with a number of the stories found within the gospels accounts. So, I guess that is where faith comes into play when proof may be missing?
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Post by bubbles on Sept 4, 2014 6:36:33 GMT -5
There are 15 major religions that had a virgin birth Dec 25, crucifiction and ressurection.
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Post by faune on Sept 4, 2014 8:13:14 GMT -5
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Post by faune on Sept 4, 2014 10:49:02 GMT -5
Nathan ~ You're welcome! However, I was basically commenting about something Bubbles brought up earlier relating to the myth theories around the "Sun God" of ancient religions and how some researchers have also come to believe it's related to the New Testament gospel stories surrounding Jesus, the Son of God. A book entitled, "The Christ Conspiracy ~ The Greatest Story Ever Told" by Acharya S., goes into this subject in much greater detail for anybody interested in pursuing this subject further?
Therefore, in all fairness to the subject of Sacred Texts, I felt it probably should also be introduced within this discussion for comparison purposes only, since Bubbles brought the subject up previously for consideration.
Nathan ~ I'm impressed that you are acquainted with the writings of David Icke and Jordan Maxwell in this area. They definitely give you something to think about in relation to the referenced article, which contains many of their quotes from their previous works. However, I must confess, I'm not that familiar with their conspiracy stories as you may be yourself, because of your particular interests. This article was perhaps my first exposure to their views relating to the "Sun God." No doubt you are also very familiar with the author of this article, Michael Tsarion, who writes about alien encounters, too? He's also the author of this article I shared with Bubbles, referenced below.
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Post by faune on Sept 4, 2014 11:59:35 GMT -5
Since we are presently discussing the myth theory surrounding Jesus, I would like to present these two rebuttals to this particular view which was shared in that previous article by Michael Tsarion with comments from David Icke and Jordan Maxwell. As you can see, for every argument presented, there's a counter-argument with better research conducted by those who scrutinize these conspiracy theories which are presented as truth. All the more reason not to believe everything you read, huh?
I'm beginning to think that DMG is rubbing off on me with her "Prove It" signature below her posts? Honestly, I have learned a lot from her comments in the past and never cease to learn something new from her wisdom passed down to us in her responses to my posts. It makes me want to dig deeper, too, to find a rational answer to the things that puzzle my psyche more these days.
christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/20235/how-do-christians-respond-to-and-or-explain-the-similarities-between-other-socie
www.philvaz.com/apologetics/JesusEvidenceCrucifiedSaviors.htm
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 4, 2014 14:41:20 GMT -5
Since we are presently discussing the myth theory surrounding Jesus, I would like to present these two rebuttals to this particular view which was shared in that previous article by Michael Tsarion with comments from David Icke and Jordan Maxwell. As you can see, for every argument presented, there's a counter-argument with better research conducted by those who scrutinize these conspiracy theories which are presented as truth. All the more reason not to believe everything you read, huh?
I'm beginning to think that DMG is rubbing off on me with her "Prove It" signature below her posts? Honestly, I have learned a lot from her comments in the past and never cease to learn something new from her wisdom passed down to us in her responses to my posts. It makes me want to dig deeper, too, to find a rational answer to the things that puzzle my psyche more these days.
christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/20235/how-do-christians-respond-to-and-or-explain-the-similarities-between-other-socie
www.philvaz.com/apologetics/JesusEvidenceCrucifiedSaviors.htm
If some one wants to learn more about Christianity and religion in general, I would advise that they wouldn't read people like Michael Tsarion, David Icke and Jordan Maxwell.
Michael Tsarion is an "alternate historian" self published, with no credential's, who has alien race conspiracies & makes a lot of money from gullible people.
David Icke and Jordan Maxwell are in the same category.
It still makes me wonder why people would even spend their time on such rubbish rather that reading legitimate scholars who have studied the subject of religion & Christianity .
I like to read Science Fiction, but only when it is labeled as such, FICTION!
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Post by faune on Sept 4, 2014 19:11:07 GMT -5
Since we are presently discussing the myth theory surrounding Jesus, I would like to present these two rebuttals to this particular view which was shared in that previous article by Michael Tsarion with comments from David Icke and Jordan Maxwell. As you can see, for every argument presented, there's a counter-argument with better research conducted by those who scrutinize these conspiracy theories which are presented as truth. All the more reason not to believe everything you read, huh?
I'm beginning to think that DMG is rubbing off on me with her "Prove It" signature below her posts? Honestly, I have learned a lot from her comments in the past and never cease to learn something new from her wisdom passed down to us in her responses to my posts. It makes me want to dig deeper, too, to find a rational answer to the things that puzzle my psyche more these days.
christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/20235/how-do-christians-respond-to-and-or-explain-the-similarities-between-other-socie
www.philvaz.com/apologetics/JesusEvidenceCrucifiedSaviors.htm
If some one wants to learn more about Christianity and religion in general, I would advise that they wouldn't read people like Michael Tsarion, David Icke and Jordan Maxwell.
Michael Tsarion is an "alternate historian" self published, with no credential's, who has alien race conspiracies & makes a lot of money from gullible people.
David Icke and Jordan Maxwell are in the same category.
It still makes me wonder why people would even spend their time on such rubbish rather that reading legitimate scholars who have studied the subject of religion & Christianity .
I like to read Science Fiction, but only when it is labeled as such, FICTION!
DMG ~ So, you like science fiction, but you don't buy into the reptilian race conspiracies, the Illuminati, or friendly aliens, like Valiant Thor, that are promoted by these guys? Honestly, I was aware of their reputation along these lines, but I was just waiting for somebody to speak up about it. As usual, nothing escapes you, DMG. Also, here's a forum where all three of these guys were being discuss for the enlightenment they bring into lives. These posters seem really into this sort of thing, like shapeshifting reptiles, UFO's, and friendly aliens in our midst. Perhaps Nathan should make their acquaintance on this pro-board, since they share the same fascination and passion for this subject matter?
www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1031
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 5, 2014 0:48:13 GMT -5
DMG ~ So, you like science fiction, but you don't buy into the reptilian race conspiracies, the Illuminati, or friendly aliens, like Valiant Thor, that are promoted by these guys? Honestly, I was aware of their reputation along these lines, but I was just waiting for somebody to speak up about it. As usual, nothing escapes you, DMG. Also, here's a forum where all three of these guys were being discuss for the enlightenment they bring into lives. These posters seem really into this sort of thing, like shape shifting reptiles, UFO's, and friendly aliens in our midst. Perhaps Nathan should make their acquaintance on this pro-board, since they share the same fascination and passion for this subject matter?
www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1031
Thanks, Faune.... I read what these guys and gals have posted.... I believe they will enjoy my Valiant Thor article... There are so much information on my site... These guys and gals will have a hey day with it. The last two years I have only mention Valiant Thor, Reptilians, Greys, etc.. to my customers at work and they pass my site on to their friends, parents, Christians, atheists, pastors, etc... I have almost 18,000 hits in two years.
The younger generation are more open minded.... They soak the information like a sponge. I want to inform, teach others about our Heavenly Father, Lord God Jesus, and warn others about God's Adversary/Satan/Lucifer and 1/3 of the fallen angels out to destroy humans race.
[/quote] Ah, 18,000 hits! But do you think that they believe all that stuff?
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Post by bubbles on Sept 5, 2014 1:06:13 GMT -5
Yes I think so I tried writing each name it was too difficult so gave up. Thanks faune
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Post by faune on Sept 5, 2014 9:20:47 GMT -5
Did anybody else besides DMG notice the links I supplied as rebuttals to the earlier article by Michael Tsarion with comments by David Icke and Jordan Maxwell included in the presentation on the myth theory surrounding Jesus? If not, here's a link that ties up the first one with a concluding statement by a Christian apologist who I feel sums it up quite well.
DMG responded...
Here's the concluding statement regarding this so-called correlation between pagan mystery gods and Jesus Christ that might interest a few of you for comparison purposes?
www.philvaz.com/apologetics/JesusEvidenceCrucifiedSaviors.htm#Conclusion
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Post by faune on Sept 5, 2014 9:22:38 GMT -5
Did anybody else besides DMG notice the links I supplied as rebuttals to the earlier article by Michael Tsarion with comments by David Icke and Jordan Maxwell, included in the presentation on the myth theory surrounding Jesus? If not, here's a link that goes along with the first one with a concluding statement by an apologist who appears to sum up the matter quite well. I'm sure even StAnne would appreciate the link I supplied here, since it comes from a Catholic apologist site which appears to properly address the differences between pagan religions of the first century and the Christian religion. Any comments?
Here's the concluding statement regarding this so-called correlation between pagan mystery gods and Jesus Christ that might interest a few of you for comparison purposes?
www.philvaz.com/apologetics/JesusEvidenceCrucifiedSaviors.htm#Conclusion
Conclusion: Christianity Versus Pagan "Mystery" Religions
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Post by faune on Sept 5, 2014 11:17:16 GMT -5
Also, in connection to the resurrection account relating of Jesus of Nazareth, I would like to supply this link to a discussion of the same topic on another thread. Towards the bottom of this page, I referenced two books by atheists of the past who converted to Christianity after their reviewed the historical evidence, namely Lee Strobel and Josh McDowell.
professing.proboards.com/thread/22295/atheists-beware?page=21
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Post by faune on Sept 5, 2014 11:49:14 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 5, 2014 16:00:06 GMT -5
Also, in connection to the resurrection account relating of Jesus of Nazareth, I would like to supply this link to a discussion of the same topic on another thread. Towards the bottom of this page, I referenced two books by atheists of the past who converted to Christianity after their reviewed the historical evidence, namely Lee Strobel and Josh McDowell.
professing.proboards.com/thread/22295/atheists-beware?page=21 Many people like to claim that the were atheists who "converted " to Christianity
I'll give you Josh McDowell's story first. See if you think that he was really ever an atheist to start with.
Atheist Deconversion Brian Holtz Josh McDowell
McDowell claims he is an ex-atheist, but his story merely says he "went to church morning, noon and night, but it didn't help. I'm very practical, and when something doesn't work, I chuck it. So, I gave up religion."
McDowell claims he "used to wait for a Christian to speak up in the classroom so I could tear him or her up one side and down the other", but at the beginning of his conversion he "found out that Buddha, Mohammed and Confucius never claimed to be God, but Jesus did." McDowell doesn't specify how he ever "tore up" Christians while being ignorant of their fundamental claim. (Jesus in fact is recorded not as claiming to be God, but rather as repeatedly drawing distinctions between himself and God.)
McDowell's conversion clearly was counfounded by dissatisfaction with his personal life:
"[Some Christians] appeared to possess an inner, constant source of joy. They were disgustingly happy. They had something I didn't have. [..] I discovered that becoming a Christian was rather ego-shattering. [..] If you've ever been around happy people when you're miserable, you understand how they can bug you. They would be so happy and I would be so miserable that I'd literally get up and run right out of the student union. It came to the point where I'd go to bed at ten at night, and I wouldn't get to sleep until four in the morning. [..]"
"I used to blow my stack if somebody just looked at me cross-eyed. I still have the scars from almost killing a guy my first year at college. My temper was such a part of me that I didn't try to consciously change it. [..]"
"I had a lot of hatred in my life. It wasn't something outwardly manifested, but there was a kind of inward grinding. I was ticked off with people, with things, with issues. But I hated one man more than anyone else in the world: my father. I hated his guts. To me he was the town alcoholic. Everybody knew my dad was a drunk. [..] I'd go out in the barn and see my mother beaten so badly she couldn't get up, lying in the manure behind the cows. [..]"
McDowell's experience is thus confounded by personal problems and yields no evidence of any former acquaintance with the basic arguments against Christianity and for atheism. Instead, McDowell merely asks "Does Christianity Work?" When religion "didn't work" for him earlier, he "chucked" it, and later adopted it simply because he saw it "working" for other people.
McDowell "was in a serious car accident" within a few months of his conversion. McDowell's father then had a bedside conversion (based on McDowell's example, not on evidence) and foreswore alcohol. McDowell concludes: "You can laugh at Christianity. You can mock and ridicule it. But it works. It changes lives." So does alchohol. The question is not whether Christianity can change lives. The question is whether it is true.
I'll check out Lee Strobel later.
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Post by faune on Sept 5, 2014 16:49:05 GMT -5
DMG ~ Thanks for sharing part of Josh McDowell's testimony. I heard him share it in person some years back and was very impressed with his shared conversion experience and how it changed his life. He didn't have much of a Christian raising to begin with and saw a lot of abuse within the home while growing up due to his father's alcholism. Actually, that did affect his early life in many ways and led to his original conclusion that God didn't exist or just didn't involve himself in people's lives, turning him into a harded skeptic towards religion in general. However, when he got to the place of being willing to examine the evidence for Jesus' existence and resurrection, he actually became a Christian believer and the rest is history. Lee Stobel's story may be slightly different, but he was also a typical unbeliever from a young age and became more fixed in that attitude as he entered adulthood and married. His wife was also an unbeliever like himself, but she later converted and was the catalyst for his examination of Christian beliefs in an attempt to prove her wrong. Needless to say, his personal research turned him into a believer instead and a supporter of Christianity from being an atheist for a number of years.
If you have never read any of Josh McDowell's books, I suggest you start with "More Than a Carpenter." It gives you a good picture of his journey towards becoming a true believer when once he was a hardened and bitter skeptic of religion in general.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 5, 2014 17:27:13 GMT -5
DMG ~ Thanks for sharing part of Josh McDowell's testimony. I heard him share it in person some years back and was very impressed with his shared conversion experience and how it changed his life. He didn't have much of a Christian raising to begin with and saw a lot of abuse within the home while growing up due to his father's alcholism. Actually, that did affect his early life in many ways and led to his original conclusion that God didn't exist or just didn't involve himself in people's lives, turning him into a harded skeptic towards religion in general. However, when he got to the place of being willing to examine the evidence for Jesus' existence and resurrection, he actually became a Christian believer and the rest is history. Lee Stobel's story may be slightly different, but he was also a typical unbeliever from a young age and became more fixed in that attitude as he entered adulthood and married. His wife was also an unbeliever like himself, but she later converted and was the catalyst for his examination of Christian beliefs in an attempt to prove her wrong. Needless to say, his personal research turned him into a believer instead and a supporter of Christianity from being an atheist for a number of years.
If you have never read any of Josh McDowell's books, I suggest you start with "More Than a Carpenter." It gives you a good picture of his journey towards becoming a true believer when once he was a hardened and bitter skeptic of religion in general. You said that Josh McDowell was an "atheist."
An Atheist and a "bitter skeptic of religion" are far from being the same.
They do not have the same meaning at all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 18:52:25 GMT -5
Also, in connection to the resurrection account relating of Jesus of Nazareth, I would like to supply this link to a discussion of the same topic on another thread. Towards the bottom of this page, I referenced two books by atheists of the past who converted to Christianity after their reviewed the historical evidence, namely Lee Strobel and Josh McDowell.
professing.proboards.com/thread/22295/atheists-beware?page=21 Many people like to claim that the were atheists who "converted " to Christianity
I'll give you Josh McDowell's story first. See if you think that he was really ever an atheist to start with.
Atheist Deconversion Brian Holtz Josh McDowell
McDowell claims he is an ex-atheist, but his story merely says he "went to church morning, noon and night, but it didn't help. I'm very practical, and when something doesn't work, I chuck it. So, I gave up religion."
McDowell claims he "used to wait for a Christian to speak up in the classroom so I could tear him or her up one side and down the other", but at the beginning of his conversion he "found out that Buddha, Mohammed and Confucius never claimed to be God, but Jesus did." McDowell doesn't specify how he ever "tore up" Christians while being ignorant of their fundamental claim. (Jesus in fact is recorded not as claiming to be God, but rather as repeatedly drawing distinctions between himself and God.)
McDowell's conversion clearly was counfounded by dissatisfaction with his personal life:
"[Some Christians] appeared to possess an inner, constant source of joy. They were disgustingly happy. They had something I didn't have. [..] I discovered that becoming a Christian was rather ego-shattering. [..] If you've ever been around happy people when you're miserable, you understand how they can bug you. They would be so happy and I would be so miserable that I'd literally get up and run right out of the student union. It came to the point where I'd go to bed at ten at night, and I wouldn't get to sleep until four in the morning. [..]"
"I used to blow my stack if somebody just looked at me cross-eyed. I still have the scars from almost killing a guy my first year at college. My temper was such a part of me that I didn't try to consciously change it. [..]"
"I had a lot of hatred in my life. It wasn't something outwardly manifested, but there was a kind of inward grinding. I was ticked off with people, with things, with issues. But I hated one man more than anyone else in the world: my father. I hated his guts. To me he was the town alcoholic. Everybody knew my dad was a drunk. [..] I'd go out in the barn and see my mother beaten so badly she couldn't get up, lying in the manure behind the cows. [..]"
McDowell's experience is thus confounded by personal problems and yields no evidence of any former acquaintance with the basic arguments against Christianity and for atheism. Instead, McDowell merely asks "Does Christianity Work?" When religion "didn't work" for him earlier, he "chucked" it, and later adopted it simply because he saw it "working" for other people.
McDowell "was in a serious car accident" within a few months of his conversion. McDowell's father then had a bedside conversion (based on McDowell's example, not on evidence) and foreswore alcohol. McDowell concludes: "You can laugh at Christianity. You can mock and ridicule it. But it works. It changes lives." So does alchohol. The question is not whether Christianity can change lives. The question is whether it is true.
I'll check out Lee Strobel later.
i'm suprised at you DMG...not every atheist goes through the same process as you to arrive at the conclusion that there is no God...how very "christian" of you to deny they were fellow atheists LOL
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 5, 2014 23:57:59 GMT -5
Many people like to claim that the were atheists who "converted " to Christianity
I'll give you Josh McDowell's story first. See if you think that he was really ever an atheist to start with.
Atheist Deconversion Brian Holtz Josh McDowell
McDowell claims he is an ex-atheist, but his story merely says he "went to church morning, noon and night, but it didn't help. I'm very practical, and when something doesn't work, I chuck it. So, I gave up religion."
McDowell claims he "used to wait for a Christian to speak up in the classroom so I could tear him or her up one side and down the other", but at the beginning of his conversion he "found out that Buddha, Mohammed and Confucius never claimed to be God, but Jesus did." McDowell doesn't specify how he ever "tore up" Christians while being ignorant of their fundamental claim. (Jesus in fact is recorded not as claiming to be God, but rather as repeatedly drawing distinctions between himself and God.)
McDowell's conversion clearly was counfounded by dissatisfaction with his personal life:
"[Some Christians] appeared to possess an inner, constant source of joy. They were disgustingly happy. They had something I didn't have. [..] I discovered that becoming a Christian was rather ego-shattering. [..] If you've ever been around happy people when you're miserable, you understand how they can bug you. They would be so happy and I would be so miserable that I'd literally get up and run right out of the student union. It came to the point where I'd go to bed at ten at night, and I wouldn't get to sleep until four in the morning. [..]"
"I used to blow my stack if somebody just looked at me cross-eyed. I still have the scars from almost killing a guy my first year at college. My temper was such a part of me that I didn't try to consciously change it. [..]"
"I had a lot of hatred in my life. It wasn't something outwardly manifested, but there was a kind of inward grinding. I was ticked off with people, with things, with issues. But I hated one man more than anyone else in the world: my father. I hated his guts. To me he was the town alcoholic. Everybody knew my dad was a drunk. [..] I'd go out in the barn and see my mother beaten so badly she couldn't get up, lying in the manure behind the cows. [..]"
McDowell's experience is thus confounded by personal problems and yields no evidence of any former acquaintance with the basic arguments against Christianity and for atheism. Instead, McDowell merely asks "Does Christianity Work?" When religion "didn't work" for him earlier, he "chucked" it, and later adopted it simply because he saw it "working" for other people.
McDowell "was in a serious car accident" within a few months of his conversion. McDowell's father then had a bedside conversion (based on McDowell's example, not on evidence) and foreswore alcohol. McDowell concludes: "You can laugh at Christianity. You can mock and ridicule it. But it works. It changes lives." So does alchohol. The question is not whether Christianity can change lives. The question is whether it is true.
I'll check out Lee Strobel later.
i'm suprised at you DMG...not every atheist goes through the same process as you to arrive at the conclusion that there is no God...how very "christian" of you to deny they were fellow atheists LOL to you too, wally!
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Post by bubbles on Sept 6, 2014 1:34:51 GMT -5
Jordan Maxwell has spent his life studying the bible, all religions,christianity, the occult, symbolism, astrotheology. In his defence his life has been threatened, (because of the things he has revealed)he lost everything in his quest to find out the truth. Also he deals in facts.
Facts are what the atheists claim they need for evidence.
He is a learned and interesting speaker. He doesnt claim to be christian.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 6, 2014 1:42:49 GMT -5
Fwiw
Christians wouldnt go to Jordan Maxwell, David Ike or Michael to learn religion or christianity. NONE of those men are representatives of religion. They would go to church or study the bible.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 7, 2014 2:01:09 GMT -5
Jordan Maxwell has spent his life studying the bible, all religions,christianity, the occult, symbolism, astrotheology. In his defence his life has been threatened, (because of the things he has revealed)he lost everything in his quest to find out the truth. Also he deals in facts.
Facts are what the atheists claim they need for evidence. He is a learned and interesting speaker. He doesnt claim to be christian. Jordan Maxwell is just one more charlatan making a living by publishing conspiracy ideas.(as if we didn't have enough already)
Can anyone give any facts he has produced?
He claims his life was threatened,- is there any proof that it was?
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Post by bubbles on Sept 7, 2014 5:25:55 GMT -5
Dmich
Have you read any of his books? Have you heard him speak?
You are very quick to label people. I dont have a problem buying a book or cd its how people live.
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Post by faune on Sept 7, 2014 15:57:29 GMT -5
Dmich Have you read any of his books? Have you heard him speak? You are very quick to label people. I dont have a problem buying a book or cd its how people live. Bubbles ~ To be honest with you, I haven't read any of Jordan Maxwell's books either. It's just his connection to all these alien encounters that are also peddled by Michael Tsarion and David Icke, that I take issue with him myself.
My guess is that DMG probably shares the same gut reaction, but she can speak for herself. Personally, he's has good communication skills, which makes his books popular, but some of the things he promotes in all these conspiracy theories seem just a little over the top for me to accept as feasible? JMT
en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Maxwell
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Post by bubbles on Sept 7, 2014 17:11:04 GMT -5
Dmich Have you read any of his books? Have you heard him speak? You are very quick to label people. I dont have a problem buying a book or cd its how people live. Bubbles ~ To be honest with you, I haven't read any of Jordan Maxwell's books either. It's just his connection to all these alien encounters that are also peddled by Michael Tsarion and David Icke, that I take issue with him myself.
My guess is that DMG probably shares the same gut reaction, but she can speak for herself. Personally, he's has good communication skills, which makes his books popular, but some of the things he promotes in all these conspiracy theories seem just a little over the top for me to accept as feasible? JMT
en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Maxwell
Yes ok I hear you. 3-4yrs ago my sons had been listening to different many researchers and whistleblowers. I thought they were off the wall. One of them said 'mum can you just listen to one guy you dont have to believe it just keep an open mind.' So I did his name was phil schneider. He was top secret ex military. He got shot. I think jordan was next. I find him interesting to listen to. He deals in facts and gives you proof. I dont understand why someone would argue a point based on critics comments. I dont have a lot of time for critics maybe because of my past experience with them. They are usually miserable individuals with no time on their hands except to gossip and pull other people down with a thirst for revenge.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 7, 2014 17:14:25 GMT -5
Fwiw
I have respect for people who share their life experience to people who hang on the words of a critic. And accept a critics word as truth.
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Post by faune on Sept 7, 2014 17:56:29 GMT -5
Bubble ~ I have to admit, I have had limited exposure to Jordan Maxwell and his works. I only know what the critics have said about him and it didn't exactly encourage me to look forward, if you know what I mean, especially in the area of reptilian shape-shifters among us and in positions of power and prestige in government. It all sounds too much like a science fiction novel to me, to be honest. However, I do know that Jordan Maxwell very popular with the youth today, as the link I posted earlier conveys, along with David Icke and Michael Tsarion. www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1031
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 7, 2014 18:19:25 GMT -5
Dmich Have you read any of his books? Have you heard him speak? You are very quick to label people. I don't have a problem buying a book or cd its how people live. I don't have a problem buying a book either. In fact I have so many I am selling a lot on Amazon. About 1000 listed now.
I just don't think is laudable to publish a book as if it were reality just to line one's own pockets by deceiving people.
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Post by xna on Sept 7, 2014 19:28:50 GMT -5
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