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Post by snow on Jan 28, 2015 15:32:48 GMT -5
I don't believe the Bible contradicts itself. I believe it is imperfect man who does not understand. I believe God planned it that way. What I love about humans is that we are all different, within reason. There are some similarities. Who can understand the mind of God? We only see through a glass darkly. God put us on earth to learn to live with each other, in spite of our differences. Learning to tolerate one another. The desire to debate is how God made us. Imagine if we were a bunch of robots all with the same beliefs and opinions. Even all looking the same. What a boring place this world would be. Cults try and take away that uniqueness and tell us how to dress, play, live etc. God gave man a free will. Life is a learning experience. No one knows it all. The reason I think virgo's statements "to just ask God" is that is where error comes in. We all THINK we know what God is saying when in fact it is all mixed up with our own understanding and our own beliefs. We are part human and part spirit. We are not 100% so spiritual that our human understanding and conditioning does not come into play. Like Paul said to pray with the spirit and prays with the understanding. I also notice virgo has nothing spiritual to offer. The spirit reveals things to us but as I said it becomes mixed up with our own experiences. I certainly agree that if everyone was the same, robots, it would be a very boring existence. However, I don't agree that the Bible isn't a book of contradictions. I can certainly see why people have to say that we 'can't know the mind of God' because to me the mind of God is all over the place. The things he has done are horrific and I don't care how many times people try to throw those events into a good light by saying we can't know the mind of God, it will never take away from the fact that there is no excuse for genocide, ever, by any one, God or human. Why do you think that Virgo has nothing spiritual to offer? He does think differently from you about things, but he loves the same God you love and tries his best to follow that, likely the same as you do. Which is what bothers me about religions. The exclusive mindset always sets people against each other, judging whether they have anything to offer. We all have something to offer imo.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 28, 2015 21:17:37 GMT -5
"Love for others is necessary for the evolution of humankind in order for humans to survive as a species."
Sounds like a transcendent concept to me. Rings a little bit like theistic evolution. Either love is just an affect of evolution or love is acting independently upon it, as you seemed to be saying. You say it is necessary. But evolution doesn't have any necessities within itself, so how can love be necessary? If love is only an affect .... then I think my charge of "zombie" is well taken. BTW I don't want to hijack the thread so any more replies on this will be on another thread. What I said was that "Love for others is necessary for the evolution of humankind in order for humans to survive as a species" and that is what I meant.
The working together as a group, caring for one another protecting one another from predators & elements of nature- in fact "Loving one another" was necessary for the survival of our species.
LOVE doesn't have to be transcendent,:
1) beyond or above the range of normal or merely physical human experience. surpassing the ordinary; exceptional.
NOR does LOVE have to be:
2) (of God) existing apart from and not subject to the limitations of the material universe.
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