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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2012 22:07:35 GMT -5
Thanks Scott. spiders has said that they have rejected those guidlines. Maybe they would change their mind, if they run them past Ms Southy.
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Post by CherieKropp on Apr 20, 2012 10:30:44 GMT -5
I want apologize for an earlier post I made (which has been removed) that upset and outraged some TMB readers. In no way was my intention to attack the family, who I have never had any contact with. I truly thought that it might possibly help the family gain closure.
My post came out of my personal point of view: that if my children had done the same, I would have been asking “Why why why?” all my life and would have wanted to know – no matter how painful, until something made sense.
However, I now realize that was just my limited POV, and I don’t know anything about the circumstances or views of the family, and I sincerely regret that I ever made that post. If I could relive this past week over again, I assure you: I would not make that post.
I have some dear friends whose 31 yr old son was killed last year in a one car accident (his auto). He was a good driver, didn’t speed, etc. He entered the freeway from an access ramp, going fairly slow--yet his car left the road suddenly, rolled over and he died. There were no other cars around. I know how the parents grieved, fretted and stewed and revisited the accident scene. Why Why Why? What caused him to leave the road? Later the son came to the mother in a dream and said, “Mom, I was trying to buckle my seat belt.” Now THAT made sense to them – as he frequently forgot to buckle his seat belt, and they often reminded him about it. The family relaxed. The WHY was finally answered for them; THAT made sense to them as the real reason he lost control of his vehicle.
Realizing that my post could possibly cause additional pain to the family, I asked Scott to remove all traces of it from TMB, which he did. Thank you, Scott. I certainly would never intentionally bring additional pain to the family who unexpectedly experienced the loss of 2 children. I myself have 2 children—and I can empathize and sympathize, but I realize my feelings are not necessarily representative of others feelings.
Again, I really regret ever making the post and I’m very sorry that I did so.
Sincerely,
Cherie Kropp
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Apr 20, 2012 11:53:47 GMT -5
The workers ew do not even want to allow stable friends to have bible studies with interested outsiders....I cannot see how that hurts anyone....seems both parties stand to learn more....a new point of view often changes our minds, eh? That's strange. We are encouraged to do it. We have a new person in our meeting now,who didn't have to stand up in a meeting. I hate generalized statements. Especially if they aren't fact.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 12:00:04 GMT -5
A number of years ago a family decided to have separate bible studies for a woman friend who was showing an interest in meetings, in an attempt to encourage her. They mentioned it to the brother workers who, although they did not tell them to stop, they disapprovingly told them "Be it on your own head!" as if they were doing something very wrong in the sight of God.
The couple decided to stop the meetings since they were not worker approved. Soon afterwards the woman ceased attending gospel missions.
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Apr 20, 2012 12:02:44 GMT -5
A number of years ago a family decided to have separate bible studies for a woman friend who was showing an interest in meetings, in an attempt to encourage her. They mentioned it to the brother workers who, although they did not tell them to stop, they disapprovingly told them "Be it on your own head!" as if they were doing something very wrong in the sight of God. The couple decided to stop the meetings since they were not worker approved. Soon afterwards the woman ceased attending gospel missions. A number of years ago? Could be the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 12:07:36 GMT -5
A number of years ago a family decided to have separate bible studies for a woman friend who was showing an interest in meetings, in an attempt to encourage her. They mentioned it to the brother workers who, although they did not tell them to stop, they disapprovingly told them "Be it on your own head!" as if they were doing something very wrong in the sight of God. The couple decided to stop the meetings since they were not worker approved. Soon afterwards the woman ceased attending gospel missions. A number of years ago? Could be the problem. Yes Lin, things may have changed (I don't know, but I have my doubts). However, rather than Shaz'z statement being strange, it might at worst be "former practice?"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 14:06:05 GMT -5
A number of years ago a family decided to have separate bible studies for a woman friend who was showing an interest in meetings, in an attempt to encourage her. They mentioned it to the brother workers who, although they did not tell them to stop, they disapprovingly told them "Be it on your own head!" as if they were doing something very wrong in the sight of God. The couple decided to stop the meetings since they were not worker approved. Soon afterwards the woman ceased attending gospel missions. A number of years ago? Could be the problem. Right in our own home we were having bible studies with some people outside the meetings. While the workers were staying in our home, we invited them to join us and they declined. And this wasn't very long ago. We know a worker who has bible studies with outsiders. I happened to bring up the topic when some local workers were staying with us and the response was "huh, well he hasn't had anyone profess from that has he?"
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Post by Greg on Apr 20, 2012 14:19:18 GMT -5
We know a worker who has bible studies with outsiders. I happened to bring up the topic when some local workers were staying with us and the response was "huh, well he hasn't had anyone profess from that has he?" Hmmm. And the number of outsiders they have had perfess...ever? Maybe even had in a mission.
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Post by Greg on Apr 20, 2012 15:00:34 GMT -5
The workers ew do not even want to allow stable friends to have bible studies with interested outsiders....I cannot see how that hurts anyone....seems both parties stand to learn more....a new point of view often changes our minds, eh? That's strange. We are encouraged to do it. We have a new person in our meeting now,who didn't have to stand up in a meeting. I hate generalized statements. Especially if they aren't fact. There are generalities and there absolutes or all inclusives. I think, in general, many, and by that I mean most, of those that profess (accept the woprkers' teaching and desire fellowship with those that are like-minded) make their choice known by standing or raising a hand in a public meeting or special meeting or convention meeting. I think, in general, bible studies involving outsiders are mostly done, and perhaps close to exclusively done with the workers. And likely those are rare. Now some side notes.... A group of women were having one of those nationally known study sessions, BSF I think. Two of the friends were involved as well as some outsiders and one of them was quite vocal and leading if not controlling the study. So, a local worker asks one of the friends if the workers could join the study. And they could. So, what happened at the study? A gospel meeting provided by the senior worker. At an area university workers either could not have them or had to pay a lot for rental space. What to do? Some of the friends attending the university got approval for a club to learn about the Bible. In doing so they could invite any teacher or lecturer they wanted. Who did they invite? The workers. Did the workers teach about the history of the Bible and the background of different writers? No. It was a series of gospel meetings. On a roll now.... Some of the friends went skiing over a weekend. There was no local place for Sunday morning meeting attendence. So they had their own workerless meeting, with emblems. One of these friends mentioned the joy of the meeting to a worker. The worker replied "no true meeting and no emblems unless worker approved." And.... I could relate many, many wonderful stories of fellowship and friendship.
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Post by sharonw on Apr 20, 2012 18:12:17 GMT -5
The workers ew do not even want to allow stable friends to have bible studies with interested outsiders....I cannot see how that hurts anyone....seems both parties stand to learn more....a new point of view often changes our minds, eh? That's strange. We are encouraged to do it. We have a new person in our meeting now,who didn't have to stand up in a meeting. I hate generalized statements. Especially if they aren't fact. It IS fact, Lin...it's time for you to quit picking on me and go find yourself another victim! About 18 months or so ago, there was an native Indian who asked a older professing man about if he knew of any preachers around that preached Jesus Christ. This professing man told him that there were a couple of his church's ministers having gospel mtgs. about 30 miles away and that he, himself was going most every night the gospel mtgs. were held. Al the native Indian said he would go with him if he didn't mind. They went to the gospel mtgs. and the native Indian went to about 6 of those mtgs. and NOT one mtg. mentioned "Jesus" or "Jesus Christ"! The native Indian was quite discouraged and wouldn't go any more. So this professing man and another elder of the fellowship spoke to the overseer and his companion who were the ones who were having the gospel mtgs. at that time, IF they could have some bible studies with that native Indian and they were given a very definite "NO! They were not to even try it." Strange that they would not accept a bit of help from the elder and his relief elder, eh? As it stands, that native Indian has not been contacted by any one in regards to learning of the things in the bible!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 19:11:25 GMT -5
That's strange. We are encouraged to do it. We have a new person in our meeting now,who didn't have to stand up in a meeting. I hate generalized statements. Especially if they aren't fact. It IS fact, Lin...it's time for you to quit picking on me and go find yourself another victim! About 18 months or so ago, there was an native Indian who asked a older professing man about if he knew of any preachers around that preached Jesus Christ. This professing man told him that there were a couple of his church's ministers having gospel mtgs. about 30 miles away and that he, himself was going most every night the gospel mtgs. were held. Al the native Indian said he would go with him if he didn't mind. They went to the gospel mtgs. and the native Indian went to about 6 of those mtgs. and NOT one mtg. mentioned "Jesus" or "Jesus Christ"! The native Indian was quite discouraged and wouldn't go any more. So this professing man and another elder of the fellowship spoke to the overseer and his companion who were the ones who were having the gospel mtgs. at that time, IF they could have some bible studies with that native Indian and they were given a very definite "NO! They were not to even try it." Strange that they would not accept a bit of help from the elder and his relief elder, eh? As it stands, that native Indian has not been contacted by any one in regards to learning of the things in the bible! The heart of this problem is that many workers are completely convinced that God will not work with someone unless it is in the exactly the standard gospel meeting format. I doubt they even realize how presumptive they are.
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Post by Bad ger M on Apr 20, 2012 22:22:19 GMT -5
Can somebody tell me what relativity the last 8 or 9 posts have to do with this Thread?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 22:24:39 GMT -5
Can somebody tell me what relativity the last 8 or 9 posts have to do with this Thread? Read all 3 pages and you will be able to follow the conversation. Threads go off on side roads, then back to the OP. Stick around and watch, it's a beautiful thing!
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Post by Greg on Apr 21, 2012 2:35:15 GMT -5
Can somebody tell me what relativity the last 8 or 9 posts have to do with this Thread? Read all 3 pages and you will be able to follow the conversation. Threads go off on side roads, then back to the OP. Stick around and watch, it's a beautiful thing! And now back to our regularly scheduled program....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2012 19:30:01 GMT -5
I wonder if the attitude toward CSA in Victoria has changed because of the Government inquiry. It will be interesting to see what the input from Workers will be. Please somebody in Victoria keep us posted. It will be a good thing for everybody if attitudes change.
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Post by sharonw on Jun 22, 2012 21:58:03 GMT -5
A number of years ago? Could be the problem. Yes Lin, things may have changed (I don't know, but I have my doubts). However, rather than Shaz'z statement being strange, it might at worst be "former practice?" The occasion I had in mind was just about a year ago....
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