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Post by guest2 on Jul 19, 2006 16:52:14 GMT -5
As far as I am aware, Gene and his partner are "not" practicing homosexuals, but rather have a deep affection for one another, like close buddies, and thus have concluded they are gay because they prefer the close company of each other to those of the opposite sex. Therefore they see themselves firmly in the gay camp. Have we lost all sense of reason and our vision ? What's wrong with being very good pals with one another ? Now if Gene had a desire for "Baer Botty," then that would transform the whole scenario ! However, I can now understand Gene's points of view influenced by feelings that he belongs to a certain persuasion, but really he does not meet the criteria of participation. These two good chums are caught up in the confusion of the modern interpretations for gay and partner. Yes they are "gay" (happy, joyful) when in each other's company, and because of their close friendship are "partners" (friends, pals). Now I can see why Gene thinks there is no wrong in their relationship. You may be right about their relationship. I don't know. but fwiw, should any such couple have consumated their relationship and continue to enjoy one another, I would be happy, and happily wish them a long and happy life together. Just as I would any other such couple. It's really a shame dogmatic Christians can't let themselves do this too.
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Post by juju on Jul 19, 2006 17:31:26 GMT -5
HHHMMMMM I'm actually dissapionted that Gene isn't homosexual...I wanted him to be a role model for my son.
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Post by Jessi on Jul 20, 2006 19:48:22 GMT -5
I am not the only one who interprets this verse this way. I would say that you could not find a man or woman of the reformed faith who would disagree with me that a woman is allowed to sing in church! It isn't about whether I'm a woman or not. It's about what the Bible says -- for me. Why is this such a hurdle? What's YOUR agenda? Christ the Lord's Jessi Aha! So you are talking about a reformed faith. It's about what the Bible says - - for you. Aha aha! So why are we talking about homosexuality? Clay - I knew you would notice. hahaha 'sme Psalm 40:15, 70:3 What are you talking about, Hawk?
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Post by Jessi on Jul 20, 2006 20:41:14 GMT -5
CONFESSION:
About my views on homosexuality: I AM A SINNER. This was one of my many sins.
I don't condemn people or attack them personally for their lifestyles of homosexuality. I don't "go after them" pointing my finger. That isn't for me to judge them personally. God is their judge. I am pointing out what I have learned from studying the Holy Word, hoping to warn some.
There was a time in my life when I, too, was under the wrath of God, dancing (usually in a gay bar) "over hell on a rotten covering" (Jonathan Edwards, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God), defying the only Sovereign One whose finger was upon me and kept me from falling into the pit. He had only to withdraw His hand.
I thought I was gay. For years, I was family. That was where I swore I belonged. I believed this so much, I divorced my husband and cast him aside for ALL THAT great, hot new life. I had plans.
I was a fool. Then, I was not straight, not gay, just Jessi. That's how I dealt with it. I, too, justified and reasoned and whittled away at the truth of God's word . . . but it remained heavy on my heart. Then, I just couldn't take it anymore. When I really began to study the Bible and pray for understanding, it was crystal clear. Everything pertaining to salvation is crystal clear to the one God wishes to tell.
I never was gay. I just thought I was. I wasn't ever a Christian until I accepted the Word of God, Christ the Lord. I only thought I was.
This, I believe God put on me to bear . . . but, true to his promise that He would never give me more than I could bear, He took it upon Himself and by His stripes I am healed.
Christ's Forever, Jessi
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Post by justamom on Jul 20, 2006 20:48:55 GMT -5
I am happy that you got things worked out in your life and you are now happy and content with how your life is today....
Being content in ones life is a big accomplishment, not everyone can reach....
I know it has taken me many years to find that contentment and I am so happy that I have...
Good luck in your future.. have a great day..
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Post by still a sin on Jul 20, 2006 21:22:34 GMT -5
Homosexuality is a sin.
End of story.
Anything else considered a sin is a moot point. God says homosexuality is an abomination to Him. If there is any mind you cannot change by reason, argument or "feelings," - it is His.
Homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of God.
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Post by mrleo on Jul 20, 2006 21:26:51 GMT -5
Thanks for telling us more about yourself, Jessi. It is good to hear that after such a confusing journey you have found peace and contentment.
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Post by Jessi on Jul 20, 2006 21:50:01 GMT -5
Thanks, mrleo, justamom - But I don't think peace and happiness is what I have. I don't think as a Christian, I will ever achieve peace and happiness in this life. That's not my goal. Especially now. Jesus didn't promise a great time and lots of happiness and wealth and health.
I do have peace with God through Christ the Lord.
I am joyful and grateful that I will go to heaven. But on this earth, in this tent, I have not found peace nor contentment in the sense of "no more trials". I don't expect to, really. While it's great that I am saved, there are many who are not. There is still a lost world.
I haven't achieved a thing. Christ has done it all. He is mighty to save. I am only saved as a by-product of the glory of God achieved through the Cross of Christ. Everything is for HIS glory.
Jesus is King, Jessi
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Post by mrleo on Jul 20, 2006 21:55:47 GMT -5
I guess what I was intending to convey is that it's good hear that you have found THE place where you feel you belong--and after a long and difficult search, that is surely a source of comfort?
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Post by justamom on Jul 20, 2006 23:58:54 GMT -5
What Leo said.. that is what I was trying to say also.. guess I didn't say it very well....
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Post by Jessi on Jul 21, 2006 17:02:04 GMT -5
Thanks, guys. I understand and appreciate what you were trying to say.
Christ's, Jessi
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Post by society is not God on Jul 21, 2006 22:51:45 GMT -5
Do WHAT? Accept what society has decided is OK, even though GOD has CLEARLY stated it IS NOT?
If society suddenly believes it is ok for a man to have sex with a 17 year old, is it OK in the eyes of God?
If society believes it is ok for teachers to have sex with their underage students, is OK in the eyes of GOD?
If society believes it is OK to for a man to have multiple wives, is it OK in the eyes of GOD?
If society believes it is OK to for a mother to lie down with her son sexually, is it OK in the eyes of GOD?
The answer to all the above is NO!
Society can DECIDE whatever it wants......but GOD and HIS words are NOT changing.
God says homosexuality is an abomination:
Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.
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Post by where does God say on Jul 21, 2006 23:59:40 GMT -5
that you can only have one wife?
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Post by Be Real on Jul 22, 2006 9:49:43 GMT -5
If society suddenly believes it is ok for a man to have sex with a 17 year old, is it OK in the eyes of God? So it seems. Most of the women in the bible would have been married and would have had a couple of children. Big if. I was not aware that this was accepted by society. Where do you live? I think this time it is society that is putting on the brakes. God has approved of multiple wives and concubines throughout the bible. Sarai sent Abram into her handmaid, Hagar to have sex. Think Hagar was more than 17? Rachel sends her husband Jacob to have sex with her maid, Bilhah. And then he did it again! Leah, Jacobs other husband, wants to get in on this action so she offers her maid Zilpah to Jacob and there additional sons. An odd thing - Jacob was tricked into marrying Leah by Laban. But it wasn't until he has sex with Leah all night that he woke up to the fact that he was 'sleeping' with the wrong sister! As it turns out, this was OK. And God has recorded the reason: "And Laban said, It must not be so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn." So there are hints in the Bible that societies values can be used as justification for some things. God did not object to Lot's daughters getting their Dad drunk and then getting pregnant by him. Moses and Aaron were the offspring of Amram and his wife Jochebed, who was also his aunt. Of course in Leviticus it does say "And thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister, nor of thy father's sister: for he uncovereth his near kin:they shall bear their iniquity." But throughou the Bible there has been a lot of uncovering going on!! So lets' not be so quick with the NO, here. God is a pretty open guy. He has an open mind. Seems to accept a lot more from people than some people accept from people. Although, as seen above, Moses and Aaron were the reslt of someone uncovering the nakedness of someone who was their near kin. Lot's daughters were certainly near kin. Think God changed His mind? God says homosexuality is an abomination:
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Post by Jessi on Jul 22, 2006 13:00:15 GMT -5
So lets' not be so quick with the NO, here. God is a pretty open guy. He has an open mind. Seems to accept a lot more from people than some people accept from people.
Jacob was a sinner. As all mankind is. He was faithless, at first, trying to do everything on his own. He was a liar, a cheat and ran away from trouble after starting it. He was dishonest and unfaithful. Big sinner. Like me.
God does not approve of people having multiple wives. Men did it anyway. They were punished for this in many ways. Solomon. David, his father. Jacob, whoever else did it, there were consequences. God punishes those he loves (Rev 3:19).
The punishment just doesn't happen when man thinks it should. Instantly. Sometimes, sometimes not. Depending, I believe, on who and what God is trying to teach.
About the example of MOAB:
He was born because Lot's two daughters had sex with him (Gen 19:31-37). When we follow what happens to the Moabite tribe, we know the punishments of God.
But we can also glean his mercies from this same punished tribe: Ruth 2:2+, Luke 3:32. From DUST TO GLORY! Glory!
Jacob's God can be my God, too, then. I can relate to Jacob. Sometimes God chooses the most unlikely people to bring Him glory. From every tongue and people and tribe and nation are his people (Rev 5:9).
Christ is King, Jessi
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Post by Error on Jul 22, 2006 22:46:16 GMT -5
God does not approve of people having multiple wives. Could you please back this up with sctupture? David was punished not for having more than one wife but for taking another man's wife. What were the consquences for Jacob taking more than one wife? What were the consquences for Jacob fathering multiple children by his wives' maids? It sounds like the punishment happens as a random event and then, if it fits, it is tied to some earlier sin. How do you know if the opunishment was related tothe sin in any way? About the example of MOAB: He was born because Lot's two daughters had sex with him (Gen 19:31-37). When we follow what happens to the Moabite tribe, we know the punishments of God. But we can also glean his mercies from this same punished tribe: Ruth 2:2+, Luke 3:32. From DUST TO GLORY! Glory! Jacob's God can be my God, too, then. I can relate to Jacob. Sometimes God chooses the most unlikely people to bring Him glory. From every tongue and people and tribe and nation are his people (Rev 5:9). Christ is King, Jessi [/quote]
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Post by sugar coating on Jul 26, 2006 20:34:03 GMT -5
The Bible says this:
Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.
Nowhere else in the Bible does it say that a man CAN lieth with mankind as he lieth with a woman and have it NOT be an abomination.
Homosexuality is NOT ok with God.
Stop trying to sugar-coat homosexuality. God does NOT approve of it.
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Post by mrleo on Jul 26, 2006 21:51:27 GMT -5
The Bible also says this:
Pro 6:16-19 These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Don't try to sugarcoat your discord-sowing agenda.
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Post by discord on Jul 27, 2006 12:30:15 GMT -5
The only way to sow true discord is to support and ENCOURAGE something that God says is wrong. If you support the homosexual life-style you are sowing discord, because it goes against God's word.
God is CLEAR in His Word that it offends Him to the point of it being an abomination.
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Post by lying tongue on Jul 27, 2006 12:33:31 GMT -5
A "lying tongue" regards words spoken (or written) that say something is right when it is not.
God says homesexuality is wrong.
To say it is ok pertains to having a "lying tongue."
God does not say homosexuality is ok. To say it is ok, or that HE SAYS it is OK is a LIE.
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Post by jumper on Jul 27, 2006 12:58:11 GMT -5
I find it interesting that so often the argument against homosexuality devolves to an argument against bestiality or other -ities. well that is because to straight pple it is unfathomably disgusting what you do and where you stick that thing. its compared to beastiality because its more fathomable to do a sheep then stick it a guys arse.
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Post by Oh really on Jul 27, 2006 15:16:03 GMT -5
well that is because to straight pple it is unfathomably disgusting what you do and where you stick that thing. its compared to beastiality because its more fathomable to do a sheep then stick it a guys arse. You assume a lot, are relatively clueless, don't know what you're talking about and really need to find a better venue to express your fantasy's!
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Post by 92NXJ2G on Jul 27, 2006 15:54:10 GMT -5
You assume a lot, are relatively clueless, don't know what you're talking about and really need to find a better venue to express your fantasy's! get a grip on reality dude.. lets face it, all of the fag lovers only can do it because they dont think about what really happens in the bedroom. but everyone excepts the fags is grossed out by the thought of some guy jamming his d_ick in some guys ss. everyone thinks gay sex is disgusting. they are disgusting pple.
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Post by dear92NXJ2G on Jul 27, 2006 16:11:44 GMT -5
blah blah grunt oink blah grunt oink grunt . yes dork you really need to find a better venue to express your fantasy's
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Post by Makes you wonder on Jul 27, 2006 20:05:46 GMT -5
but everyone excepts the fags is grossed out by the thought of some guy jamming his d_ick in some guys ss. everyone thinks gay sex is disgusting. they are disgusting pple. Don't you wonder why a fairly high percentage of heterosexual couples engage in anal sex? Apparently everyone does not share your feelings. Have to wonder what your thoughts are concerning oral sex.
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Post by Private parts on Jul 28, 2006 8:24:36 GMT -5
but everyone excepts the fags is grossed out by the thought of some guy jamming his d_ick in some guys ss. everyone thinks gay sex is disgusting. they are disgusting pple. Don't you wonder why a fairly high percentage of heterosexual couples engage in anal sex? Apparently everyone does not share your feelings. Have to wonder what your thoughts are concerning oral sex. What is this obsession some have regarding where others put their private parts? If someone decides they want to stick their pe nis in a blender what is it to anyone else? As fas as I can see, people are in charge of where they put their pe nis and for what gets put in their vagina or any other opening they might have or create and, if it is between consenting adults, why would anyone care? If I decide to allow a donkey to mount me in the privacy of my own home why sould that be a concern of anyone? It would be between me and my God. Well, I guess the donkey and his God too. The point is, why do you care if a person is a homosexual or not?
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Post by Reality on Jul 28, 2006 8:28:22 GMT -5
but everyone excepts the fags is grossed out by the thought of some guy jamming his d_ick in some guys ss. Can we take this to mean that you have no problem with females who are homosexual since it does not involve this behavior?
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Post by immaturity on Jul 28, 2006 13:27:12 GMT -5
This conversation has become perverse and disgusting in itself.
These are adults on this board?
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