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Post by What Hat on Oct 31, 2011 14:55:56 GMT -5
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Post by irvinegrey on Oct 31, 2011 15:03:47 GMT -5
Very simple; Theology is a separate department. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to clarify this.
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Post by irvinegrey on Oct 31, 2011 15:04:34 GMT -5
Very simple; Theology is a separate department. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to clarify this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 15:11:32 GMT -5
Well clarified. Well clarified
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Post by What Hat on Oct 31, 2011 15:27:45 GMT -5
Very simple; Theology is a separate department. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to clarify this. I would suggest in the strongest terms that if you wish to conduct "research" that you do so on a private basis and not on a public forum. If you just wish to shoot the breeze like the rest of us, no problem. Here are a couple of paragraphs from your school's Institutional Code of Practice for Research Degree Programmes19.1.1 Approval from an appropriate research ethics committee must be sought for research which involves human participants, material or data. Approval from other regulatory bodies should be sought when necessary. 19.1.2 Participants of research should give informed consent, normally in writing, to take part in the research, except where undertaking the research without consent is mandated by law or Governmental or institutional regulation or explicitly approved in the ethical application for the research. It is important that this consent be obtained using language that the individual understands. Whilst the form of consent may vary according to the circumstances, informed consent generally requires the participant to: i) have the capacity to consent; ii) have been provided with all information regarding the research that may affect their willingness to participate; iii) be aware that participation is voluntary and they may withdraw at any time; iv) understand that not participating or withdrawing will have no effect on their subsequent treatment; v) be asked to participate without undue pressure; and, vi) understand they may ask questions and receive answers regarding their participation. 19.1.5 Observational studies are sometimes conducted in naturalistic settings in which the 'participants' are unaware that an investigation is taking place. Unobtrusive observation raises significant ethical questions regarding informed consent and invasion of privacy. Before conducting unobtrusive observational studies it is essential to undertake an assessment of the extent to which human dignity may be jeopardised and that threat must be weighed against the value of the study.
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Post by apple on Oct 31, 2011 16:37:08 GMT -5
what, like Irvine I too am conducting research via the Internet of a group of people. The guidelines are very simple when doing any kind of research online:
1. avoid anything illegal
2. do not involve vulnerable or young people
3. get the consent of anyone you wish to quote or include in your research
4. do not pass on any private information to third parties without consent
Obviously the guidelines are more detailed than that but that is the general jist. Irvine has always been open with us about studying the meetings and open about his own involvement in the meetings. Naturally Irvine is interested in interacting with us on online forums because it would be the best method for him to understand our beliefs, our attitudes and our doctrines. Let's be honest, we are a secretive bunch as it is- not many of us are going to openly tell an outsider, never mind an outsider researching us, that we think will be the only ones going to heaven and outsiders will always go to hell. The anonymity of the Internet enables us the rare freedom to say what we really think about the meetings, certain workers and outsiders- both good and bad. Offline one simply does not discuss such things so it means Irvine depends on forums like this one to understand our viewpoint on biblical teachings, workers & so on.. and in doing so is doing no wrong.
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Post by What Hat on Oct 31, 2011 17:19:58 GMT -5
what, like Irvine I too am conducting research via the Internet of a group of people. The guidelines are very simple when doing any kind of research online: 1. avoid anything illegal 2. do not involve vulnerable or young people 3. get the consent of anyone you wish to quote or include in your research 4. do not pass on any private information to third parties without consent Obviously the guidelines are more detailed than that but that is the general jist. Irvine has always been open with us about studying the meetings and open about his own involvement in the meetings. Naturally Irvine is interested in interacting with us on online forums because it would be the best method for him to understand our beliefs, our attitudes and our doctrines. Let's be honest, we are a secretive bunch as it is- not many of us are going to openly tell an outsider, never mind an outsider researching us, that we think will be the only ones going to heaven and outsiders will always go to hell. The anonymity of the Internet enables us the rare freedom to say what we really think about the meetings, certain workers and outsiders- both good and bad. Offline one simply does not discuss such things so it means Irvine depends on forums like this one to understand our viewpoint on biblical teachings, workers & so on.. and in doing so is doing no wrong. If he wasn't open, the glaring deficiencies of his approach would not be so evident. So congratulations for being open. I would argue that the bias so evident in Grey's line of inquiry will bias those who respond to him, and also bias what they say. I don't know if Grey is credible or not because I have not seen any of his work. He sounds like a highly religious individual whose all too evident biases will inhibit anyone who does not already share his views. As someone who has been an apologist for the movement, I would not like to be quoted in his work, given what I think the outcome will be. That is, pro-Establishment, pro-orthodoxy, and against religious diversity.
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Post by JO on Oct 31, 2011 17:50:30 GMT -5
...my research project is on target to be completed with the timescale that Queen's University has given me and with the help of God it will be (DV). Do you think you're working for Queen's University.......or God?
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Post by apple on Oct 31, 2011 18:06:27 GMT -5
I would argue that the bias so evident in Grey's line of inquiry will bias those who respond to him, and also bias what they say. We are all biased one way or another by our experiences, our backgrounds, our parents, our friends, our educators, our families and by media. I don't know if Grey is credible or not because I have not seen any of his work. I do know that Irvine is credible because I've met him several times.
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Post by alexander on Oct 31, 2011 18:10:46 GMT -5
Mr. Grey, what is your interest in the 2x2 fellowship? Specifically, why research this fellowship?
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Post by What Hat on Oct 31, 2011 18:34:38 GMT -5
I would argue that the bias so evident in Grey's line of inquiry will bias those who respond to him, and also bias what they say. We are all biased one way or another by our experiences, our backgrounds, our parents, our friends, our educators, our families and by media. So what. It is the act of bias I am concerned with here, not innate bias. The question on 'cults' is pre-loaded to discourage input from those who think it is not a cult, and encourage response from those who think it is. Just watch. Feeding frenzy in the shark tank. That's not enough for me, especially after I saw your checklist. He might be credible; I just haven't seen anything that would tell me one way or the other. From my point of view, a good section of the Christian theology world would not be able to write an unbiased study of the friends. Diarmid MacCulloch or J. Gordon Melton could. Many other theologians are just too centrist and orthodox in their thinking to do serious academic work in this area. I suspect Irvine Grey is the same, especially based on his archaic definition of the word 'cult'.
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Post by Sylvestra on Oct 31, 2011 18:43:28 GMT -5
what, like Irvine I too am conducting research via the Internet of a group of people. The guidelines are very simple when doing any kind of research online: 1. avoid anything illegal 2. do not involve vulnerable or young people 3. get the consent of anyone you wish to quote or include in your research 4. do not pass on any private information to third parties without consent Obviously the guidelines are more detailed than that but that is the general jist. Irvine has always been open with us about studying the meetings and open about his own involvement in the meetings. Naturally Irvine is interested in interacting with us on online forums because it would be the best method for him to understand our beliefs, our attitudes and our doctrines. Let's be honest, we are a secretive bunch as it is- not many of us are going to openly tell an outsider, never mind an outsider researching us, that we think will be the only ones going to heaven and outsiders will always go to hell. The anonymity of the Internet enables us the rare freedom to say what we really think about the meetings, certain workers and outsiders- both good and bad. Offline one simply does not discuss such things so it means Irvine depends on forums like this one to understand our viewpoint on biblical teachings, workers & so on.. and in doing so is doing no wrong. If he wasn't open, the glaring deficiencies of his approach would not be so evident. So congratulations for being open. I would argue that the bias so evident in Grey's line of inquiry will bias those who respond to him, and also bias what they say. I don't know if Grey is credible or not because I have not seen any of his work. He sounds like a highly religious individual whose all too evident biases will inhibit anyone who does not already share his views. As someone who has been an apologist for the movement, I would not like to be quoted in his work, given what I think the outcome will be. That is, pro-Establishment, pro-orthodoxy, and against religious diversity. On the contrary, how many people have set out to prove a point, and instead proved the opposite! I think of the book "The Real Anita Hill", where the author set out to prove that Clarence Thomas was all she accused him of.....only to write a book basically in defense of Clarence Thomas! So, now, what, you can step up and volunteer to tell him about the 2x2's from the "inside" and maybe you can sucker him into the group! E
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Post by What Hat on Oct 31, 2011 18:59:18 GMT -5
If he wasn't open, the glaring deficiencies of his approach would not be so evident. So congratulations for being open. I would argue that the bias so evident in Grey's line of inquiry will bias those who respond to him, and also bias what they say. I don't know if Grey is credible or not because I have not seen any of his work. He sounds like a highly religious individual whose all too evident biases will inhibit anyone who does not already share his views. As someone who has been an apologist for the movement, I would not like to be quoted in his work, given what I think the outcome will be. That is, pro-Establishment, pro-orthodoxy, and against religious diversity. On the contrary, how many people have set out to prove a point, and instead proved the opposite! I think of the book "The Real Anita Hill", where the author set out to prove that Clarence Thomas was all she accused him of.....only to write a book basically in defense of Clarence Thomas! So, now, what, you can step up and volunteer to tell him about the 2x2's from the "inside" and maybe you can sucker him into the group! E You would get better work from an atheist, if it's all the same to you. If an orthodox Christian writes about Islam, they are inclined to say that Muslims worship Mohammed instead of Jesus Christ. They even use the term Mohammedans as an analog of Christian. But Mohammed is not their "Jesus Christ", he is only a prophet, although a pre-eminent prophet. You simply cannot write about another religion using your own religion as a frame of reference. The terms of reference I see Grey using are very similar. He thinks he can compare a particular group against some kind of objective yardstick of truth to determine if that "group" is a "cult", which in his case clearly means less that truth, that is, inferior. That is centrist, Establishment thinking, and in today's academic world it belongs on the trash heap. This is the kind of drivel that Pat Robertson's people write in Amerika, not at a serious university. I'm very disappointed in QUB.
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Post by JO on Oct 31, 2011 20:04:25 GMT -5
I also question the value of research undertaken by someone with such a biased view. A knowledge of the creeds that were constructed by the early church councils to combat various heresies that had arisen would be helpful in elucidating important doctrines such as the Trinity and the Deity of Christ. These are the Apostles Creed, Athanasian Creed and the Nicene Creed. I can always provide the text if required. I am sure some will say that these are 'man-made' so not acceptable but then again many of your hymns in Old and New are from the pen of Anglican clergymen and even a monk!
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Post by Done4now on Oct 31, 2011 20:09:49 GMT -5
Actually, as someone who attended Uni in the UK (and obtained a Master's degree there) I am still confused about Mr. Grey's credentials.
If Mr. Grey is currently working on a degree--then the University is obligated to consider him a degree candidate. He would not be properly considered a "post-graduate" researcher until he finishes any degree that he has underway at that University.
So what are you Mr. Grey? Are you a degree candidate--working on this project as part of your thesis (as previously claimed) or are you a "post-graduate" researcher--which implies that there is not currently an actual degree in progress (as you now say)?
If there is a degree in progress--where are you in the process? I had previously assumed that you were ABD--however now it doesn't all fit....because as I am sure you know, if your official designation is ABD, you cannot be considered a "post-graduate researcher" at a university that currently has you on ABD status.
If you are still working on a Master's degree, are there deadlines for when you must complete all degree requirements? On another thread, your friend rxnmbuts expressed worry that lack of cooperation on the part of the F/W is holding your degree up?
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Post by sharonw on Oct 31, 2011 20:12:16 GMT -5
I also question the value of research undertaken by someone with such a biased view. A knowledge of the creeds that were constructed by the early church councils to combat various heresies that had arisen would be helpful in elucidating important doctrines such as the Trinity and the Deity of Christ. These are the Apostles Creed, Athanasian Creed and the Nicene Creed. I can always provide the text if required. I am sure some will say that these are 'man-made' so not acceptable but then again many of your hymns in Old and New are from the pen of Anglican clergymen and even a monk! As it was mentioned we all have our biases due to our experiences, particularly the negative ones. No as far as university research is concerned IF Mr. Grey was an ex-Mormon, or ex-Mennonite, he would look at the information he gathered about the 2x2 fellowship with much the same bias as he does being an ex 2x2. We cannot get rid of our inherent biases nor even not our inherited ones either!
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Post by What Hat on Oct 31, 2011 20:14:11 GMT -5
I also question the value of research undertaken by someone with such a biased view. A knowledge of the creeds that were constructed by the early church councils to combat various heresies that had arisen would be helpful in elucidating important doctrines such as the Trinity and the Deity of Christ. These are the Apostles Creed, Athanasian Creed and the Nicene Creed. I can always provide the text if required. I am sure some will say that these are 'man-made' so not acceptable but then again many of your hymns in Old and New are from the pen of Anglican clergymen and even a monk! I can't believe that Mr. Grey would not have taken in current historical accounts about the role of creeds in the active and bloody repression of various alternative non-Trinitarian doctrines within the Christian world.
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Post by What Hat on Oct 31, 2011 20:28:40 GMT -5
I also question the value of research undertaken by someone with such a biased view. As it was mentioned we all have our biases due to our experiences, particularly the negative ones. No as far as university research is concerned IF Mr. Grey was an ex-Mormon, or ex-Mennonite, he would look at the information he gathered about the 2x2 fellowship with much the same bias as he does being an ex 2x2. We cannot get rid of our inherent biases nor even not our inherited ones either! Of course we can. Within the academic world there is a standard of neutrality which you have to meet. If you begin to take studies at a university level, you'll quickly find this out. You can't entirely eliminate bias from your personal beliefs, but you can eliminate significant amounts of it from your academic work. Again, I am not speaking about bias in Irvine's personal beliefs but the bias apparent in his definition of 'cults'. Granted theological schools aren't quite liberal arts colleges, but I would have thought QUB a cut above Oral Roberts University or something of that ilk.
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Post by Sylvestra on Oct 31, 2011 20:52:06 GMT -5
I also question the value of research undertaken by someone with such a biased view. As it was mentioned we all have our biases due to our experiences, particularly the negative ones. No as far as university research is concerned IF Mr. Grey was an ex-Mormon, or ex-Mennonite, he would look at the information he gathered about the 2x2 fellowship with much the same bias as he does being an ex 2x2. We cannot get rid of our inherent biases nor even not our inherited ones either! sharonw, you do know that Mr. Grey is not an Ex-2x2, right?
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Post by rnstrbnsn on Oct 31, 2011 21:27:49 GMT -5
Rules: 1 No personal attacks, insults or threats. 2 Obscene and/or objectionable material will be deleted. 3 Nothing libelous. 4 Stick to the topic. 5 Strict privacy of personal details must be respected. This includes but is not limited to posting: email addresses, date of birth, addresses and phone numbers. Topics that don't relate to the "Truth" fellowship or posts that are off-topic may be removed. The admin/moderators have the right to edit, move or delete any post deemed inappropriate. The admin/moderators may, at their sole discretion, ban any member who continues to post against the 5 rules as stated above, or who is deemed to be causing or prolonging a disruption to the Truth Meetings Board.
Alias, “what”, have you read these rules recently? Maybe the mods will clean up your attack upon a man who gave his definition of the word “cult” very clearly in his opening post, which has been disallowed and redifined by the “what” alias, and ignored by the “what” alias, on that thread too, who has started this attack thread to perhaps bully the alias “irvinegrey” even further with all the assistants the “what” alias can muster here too.
There is little defense of the cult at all, but attack attack attack. If you all choose to make yourselves angry, may I please enjoy helping you all by calling your choice church/sect/group/secretno-namething a cult just as it shows itself to be right here on this thread?
The researchers visiting this board should be able to use a lot of quotations credited to the various aliases posted on this thread too.
Classic cult defensive practices - what?
By the way, who is what?
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Post by What Hat on Oct 31, 2011 21:54:33 GMT -5
Rules: 1 No personal attacks, insults or threats. 2 Obscene and/or objectionable material will be deleted. 3 Nothing libelous. 4 Stick to the topic. 5 Strict privacy of personal details must be respected. This includes but is not limited to posting: email addresses, date of birth, addresses and phone numbers. Topics that don't relate to the "Truth" fellowship or posts that are off-topic may be removed. The admin/moderators have the right to edit, move or delete any post deemed inappropriate. The admin/moderators may, at their sole discretion, ban any member who continues to post against the 5 rules as stated above, or who is deemed to be causing or prolonging a disruption to the Truth Meetings Board. Alias, “what”, have you read these rules recently? Maybe the mods will clean up your attack upon a man who gave his definition of the word “cult” very clearly in his opening post, which has been disallowed and redifined by the “what” alias, and ignored by the “what” alias, on that thread too, who has started this attack thread to perhaps bully the alias “irvinegrey” even further with all the assistants the “what” alias can muster here too. There is little defense of the cult at all, but attack attack attack. If you all choose to make yourselves angry, may I please enjoy helping you all by calling your choice church/sect/group/secretno-namething a cult just as it shows itself to be right here on this thread? The researchers visiting this board should be able to use a lot of quotations credited to the various aliases posted on this thread too. Classic cult defensive practices - what? By the way, who is what? As I said on the other thread, please let me know, if and when you have something specific from my posts to comment on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 22:11:02 GMT -5
Actually, as someone who attended Uni in the UK (and obtained a Master's degree there) I am still confused about Mr. Grey's credentials. If Mr. Grey is currently working on a degree--then the University is obligated to consider him a degree candidate. He would not be properly considered a "post-graduate" researcher until he finishes any degree that he has underway at that University. So what are you Mr. Grey? Are you a degree candidate--working on this project as part of your thesis (as previously claimed) or are you a "post-graduate" researcher--which implies that there is not currently an actual degree in progress (as you now say)? If there is a degree in progress--where are you in the process? I had previously assumed that you were ABD--however now it doesn't all fit....because as I am sure you know, if your official designation is ABD, you cannot be considered a "post-graduate researcher" at a university that currently has you on ABD status. If you are still working on a Master's degree, are there deadlines for when you must complete all degree requirements? On another thread, your friend rxnmbuts expressed worry that lack of cooperation on the part of the F/W is holding your degree up? I don't know if this helps or not but it looks straightforward to me: Irvine Grey was born and brought up on a farm in Killadeas, Co Fermanagh, Northern Ireland. He holds the degrees of Bachelor of Theology from Queen’s University, Belfast and Master of Arts in Theology from the University of Manchester. He is currently involved in postgraduate research for a Master of Philosophy at Queen’s University. His research is examining the history, sociology and theology of a religious movement that had its beginnings in Co Tipperary, Ireland in 1897.The 2x2 work is a thesis for a second Master's Degree..... in Philosophy this time. I think you guys are jumping on him a bit heavy.......robutussin on the other hand, seems to give as good as he gets!
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Post by Happy Feet on Oct 31, 2011 22:33:11 GMT -5
So WHAT, would you prefer if Grey shut up and did his research on something else? The very fact that someone does research on something is because they have a bias or interest in that to start with. Nothing is value free. We all come with bias in this world. You have yours, but he is not allowed to have his!! There have been others who have done research on the group which some of us have precipitated in. I guess you would have a problem with the books and websites too, what.
You say cults are anything contrary to our thinking. So you attack someone whose thinking is contrary to yours. Seems like you are becoming a spokesperson for the 2x2s.
Do your own research, what, to prove it otherwise. What are you afraid of? If there is nothing to find then why worry,what?
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Post by What Hat on Oct 31, 2011 22:45:08 GMT -5
Actually, as someone who attended Uni in the UK (and obtained a Master's degree there) I am still confused about Mr. Grey's credentials. If Mr. Grey is currently working on a degree--then the University is obligated to consider him a degree candidate. He would not be properly considered a "post-graduate" researcher until he finishes any degree that he has underway at that University. So what are you Mr. Grey? Are you a degree candidate--working on this project as part of your thesis (as previously claimed) or are you a "post-graduate" researcher--which implies that there is not currently an actual degree in progress (as you now say)? If there is a degree in progress--where are you in the process? I had previously assumed that you were ABD--however now it doesn't all fit....because as I am sure you know, if your official designation is ABD, you cannot be considered a "post-graduate researcher" at a university that currently has you on ABD status. If you are still working on a Master's degree, are there deadlines for when you must complete all degree requirements? On another thread, your friend rxnmbuts expressed worry that lack of cooperation on the part of the F/W is holding your degree up? I don't know if this helps or not but it looks straightforward to me: Irvine Grey was born and brought up on a farm in Killadeas, Co Fermanagh, Northern Ireland. He holds the degrees of Bachelor of Theology from Queen’s University, Belfast and Master of Arts in Theology from the University of Manchester. He is currently involved in postgraduate research for a Master of Philosophy at Queen’s University. His research is examining the history, sociology and theology of a religious movement that had its beginnings in Co Tipperary, Ireland in 1897.The 2x2 work is a thesis for a second Master's Degree..... in Philosophy this time. I think you guys are jumping on him a bit heavy.......robutussin on the other hand, seems to give as good as he gets! It's nothing personal. I don't believe I have said anything negative about him outside of the topic at hand. rn* giving as good as he gets? You must be joking. He couldn't punch his way out of a wet paper bag full of workers' notes.
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Post by What Hat on Oct 31, 2011 22:56:38 GMT -5
So WHAT, would you prefer if Grey shut up and did his research on something else? The very fact that someone does research on something is because they have a bias or interest in that to start with. Nothing is value free. We all come with bias in this world. You have yours, but he is not allowed to have his!! There have been others who have done research on the group which some of us have precipitated in. I guess you would have a problem with the books and websites too, what. Good question. I would like to see someone write a decent academic paper on the friends for a change. I have seen only one paper that was of very good quality, and the person who wrote it hasn't granted permission to release it. Anything before 1950 is abysmal. Melton's entry on the 'Two by twos' isn't bad. Also the religious tolerance site I quoted has done a reasonable job. I am not hopeful about Grey's work at the present time based on what he has written. Cherie has done an excellent job for the most part on the history. No I did not say that. I have seen that now in a couple of posts. Hardly. But I have no axe to grind against them for any reason. You must be confusing me for one of the friends. It makes no difference to me personally, as I keep saying.
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Post by Done4now on Oct 31, 2011 23:03:33 GMT -5
Actually, as someone who attended Uni in the UK (and obtained a Master's degree there) I am still confused about Mr. Grey's credentials. If Mr. Grey is currently working on a degree--then the University is obligated to consider him a degree candidate. He would not be properly considered a "post-graduate" researcher until he finishes any degree that he has underway at that University. So what are you Mr. Grey? Are you a degree candidate--working on this project as part of your thesis (as previously claimed) or are you a "post-graduate" researcher--which implies that there is not currently an actual degree in progress (as you now say)? If there is a degree in progress--where are you in the process? I had previously assumed that you were ABD--however now it doesn't all fit....because as I am sure you know, if your official designation is ABD, you cannot be considered a "post-graduate researcher" at a university that currently has you on ABD status. If you are still working on a Master's degree, are there deadlines for when you must complete all degree requirements? On another thread, your friend rxnmbuts expressed worry that lack of cooperation on the part of the F/W is holding your degree up? I don't know if this helps or not but it looks straightforward to me: Irvine Grey was born and brought up on a farm in Killadeas, Co Fermanagh, Northern Ireland. He holds the degrees of Bachelor of Theology from Queen’s University, Belfast and Master of Arts in Theology from the University of Manchester. He is currently involved in postgraduate research for a Master of Philosophy at Queen’s University. His research is examining the history, sociology and theology of a religious movement that had its beginnings in Co Tipperary, Ireland in 1897.The 2x2 work is a thesis for a second Master's Degree..... in Philosophy this time. I think you guys are jumping on him a bit heavy.......robutussin on the other hand, seems to give as good as he gets! doesn't matter how many degrees that a person has --if they are currently enrolled in a degree program--then that University considers them a current student in a degree program--not a "post-graduate". The designation of "post-graduate" means a degree'd researcher who is NOT currently enrolled in a degree program (for researchers with less than a doctoral degree--PhDs are called post-doctoral researchers). He is either one or the other. He cannot hold both titles at the same Uni at the same time. I suspect that IG is simply careless about his language--which to me indicates a larger problem (perhaps applicable to his use of terms like "cult"). robutussin simply puts me to sleep.... edited to add: and in spite of the fact that his persona on here is not very scholarly or precise in his language--I do want to say that I have great respect for him going to Univ as a non-traditional student. Good for you IG.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 23:16:10 GMT -5
I don't know if this helps or not but it looks straightforward to me: Irvine Grey was born and brought up on a farm in Killadeas, Co Fermanagh, Northern Ireland. He holds the degrees of Bachelor of Theology from Queen’s University, Belfast and Master of Arts in Theology from the University of Manchester. He is currently involved in postgraduate research for a Master of Philosophy at Queen’s University. His research is examining the history, sociology and theology of a religious movement that had its beginnings in Co Tipperary, Ireland in 1897.The 2x2 work is a thesis for a second Master's Degree..... in Philosophy this time. I think you guys are jumping on him a bit heavy.......robutussin on the other hand, seems to give as good as he gets! doesn't matter how many degrees that a person has --if they are currently enrolled in a degree program--then that University considers them a student--not a "post-graduate". The designation of "post-graduate" means a degree'd researcher who is NOT currently enrolled in a degree program (researcher less than a doctoral degree--PhDs are called post-doctoral researchers). He is either one or the other. He cannot hold both titles at the same Uni at the same time. I suspect that IG is simply careless about his language--which to me indicates a larger problem (perhaps applicable to his use of terms like "cult"). edited to add: and in spite of the fact that his persona on here is not very scholarly or precise in his language--I do want to say that I have great respect for him going to Univ as a non-traditional student. Good for you IG. Well you got me baffled. I only have a Bachelor's degree so I have never gotten hung up on the terminology after that level.....I got out of there as quick as possible after that. However, I would consider someone engaged in post-graduate research as someone researching for a thesis for Master's degree or higher. Count me in the language-challenged section! Now take two robutussin posts and go to sleep!
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Post by Alan Vandermyden on Oct 31, 2011 23:21:26 GMT -5
Well you got me baffled. I only have a Bachelor's degree so I have never gotten hung up on the terminology after that level.....I got out of there as quick as possible after that. However, I would consider someone engaged in post-graduate research as someone researching for a thesis for Master's degree or higher. Count me in the language-challenged section! I'm currently working on my MA, and I'm considered a graduate student. I believe post-graduate refers to someone doing research - a project or whatever - after receiving a PhD. Someone working on a second PhD (or MA) is still a graduate student, if I understand correctly.
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