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Post by apple on Mar 8, 2011 13:27:14 GMT -5
What have been the punishments you received from your family for not adhering to 2x2 standards?
In my teens I had privileges taken from me, was hit and screamed at for not wanting to go to convention and meetings.Found an old diary last year from my teens in which I expressed great anger and upset over this. Under the workers' control the meetings has become an environment that encourages physical punishment for children that make the smallest mistake in the meetings, so how many of us here were punished and how?
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Post by ronhall on Mar 8, 2011 13:52:57 GMT -5
Parental control is a fragile thing especially during the teen years. It's hard to get it just right. Too much and there is a back lash. Too little and the same.
Added to the problem is that every kid is different. Often siblings are just the opposite of each other. What works with one doesn't with the other. Then when what works the best for each is used, one or both feel they have been dealt unfairly with.
Now that you've apparently aged into adulthood and are reflecting back at how you were raised, as we all do, likely with the notion that you would not like to make the same mistakes with your own offspring, as we all do, that is a good thing. Be aware that it will be different. Your kids will have different personalities and the pressures on them will be different.
It could be that your kids will love meetings and going to conventions to the point that you might wish they could be just a little more like "normal" kids. Strange things do happen.
Good luck and I certainly wish you the best and know you will try to do your best, as we all do.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Mar 8, 2011 13:59:24 GMT -5
We dont actually have what is called punishment in meetings but a similar thing happens. Because of the examples that teachers, musicians, worship leaders and pastors should be in my organization if you are involved in any kind of sinful behavior you are taken off of the platform and sat down for a time to be able to reflect and rerenew your vow and repent to God without distraction.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2011 13:59:40 GMT -5
What have been the punishments you received from your family for not adhering to 2x2 standards? In my teens I had privileges taken from me, was hit and screamed at for not wanting to go to convention and meetings.Found an old diary last year from my teens in which I expressed great anger and upset over this. Under the workers' control the meetings has become an environment that encourages physical punishment for children that make the smallest mistake in the meetings, so how many of us here were punished and how? Guess it all depends on your family: I was expected to adhere to my parents' views on acceptable behavior, and that was certainly not a matter the workers were ever consulted on. I was spanked a few times when I deserved it but if I had to do it all over again from start to finish, I can't say I'd ask them to change much if anything.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Mar 8, 2011 14:02:32 GMT -5
I cant really see where all of this is a negative thing. Do you want sinful people teaching your children or representing your church?
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Post by apple on Mar 8, 2011 15:31:46 GMT -5
I cant really see where all of this is a negative thing. Do you want sinful people teaching your children or representing your church? I don't see a connection between the thread topic and the question but I will answer your question; all people are sinners including all church ministers in all churches- however some of the workers are involved in coverups, lies, heresies and abuse so no, I would not want them teaching my children (if I had any) or such people representing my church (which is not the 2x2 church).
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Post by apple on Mar 8, 2011 15:34:27 GMT -5
Parental control is a fragile thing especially during the teen years. It's hard to get it just right. Too much and there is a back lash. Too little and the same. Added to the problem is that every kid is different. Often siblings are just the opposite of each other. What works with one doesn't with the other. Then when what works the best for each is used, one or both feel they have been dealt unfairly with. Now that you've apparently aged into adulthood and are reflecting back at how you were raised, as we all do, likely with the notion that you would not like to make the same mistakes with your own offspring, as we all do, that is a good thing. Be aware that it will be different. Your kids will have different personalities and the pressures on them will be different. It could be that your kids will love meetings and going to conventions to the point that you might wish they could be just a little more like "normal" kids. Strange things do happen. Good luck and I certainly wish you the best and know you will try to do your best, as we all do. ronhall you have some wise advice but believe me if I had children they would not be brought up in the meetings.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Mar 8, 2011 17:49:27 GMT -5
I dont believe christians go around sinning all the time so I suppose we disagree on this one. Im not saying they cant and dont. Im saying this isnt typical behavior.
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Post by apple on Mar 8, 2011 18:10:28 GMT -5
I dont believe christians go around sinning all the time so I suppose we disagree on this one. Im not saying they cant and dont. Im saying this isnt typical behavior. I understand what you mean but I do feel it is also important to acknowladge when we are trying not to sin, we still manage to sin.
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Post by buzzybee on Apr 6, 2011 0:24:42 GMT -5
My mother was a single parent with 5 young children at the time. We would be in meeting and she would always sit by the elders wife. (i swear it was a conspiracy) And she would help my mom with the tending! She would snake her arm around the back of the chair. If we as much as moved wrong she would pinch our ears. Now when your 5 years old and don't know its coming....i was for sure it was the hand of God.
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Post by ronhall on Apr 6, 2011 8:59:55 GMT -5
Either that or "The Long Arm of The Law".
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Post by eyedeetentee on Apr 6, 2011 21:18:09 GMT -5
In my teens I had privileges taken from me, was hit and screamed at for not wanting to go to convention and meetings.Found an old diary last year from my teens . . . When you were in your teens. So, last year. Never the less, Buzzybee, I'll let everyone believe you are twenty-something, too.
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Post by buzzybee on Apr 7, 2011 0:18:36 GMT -5
yea, thats right!!!! lol
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Post by sorcron on Apr 7, 2011 1:36:26 GMT -5
What have been the punishments you received from your family for not adhering to 2x2 standards? None. There were times when my father would point out alternate considerations in my teens... but he left the decision up to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 4:51:02 GMT -5
I had a good upbringing with few bad memories -- Mom dealt with the teenages issues quite wisely, and dad did too as well. But with dad we learned to keep the discussions/conflicts out of range of the kind of moral issues where 'worker position' might be called in -- Apart from when such happened, he usually used wisdom in his decisions.
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Post by winston on May 13, 2011 22:28:16 GMT -5
In the meetings I attended in my youth, if any children misbehaved in the least they were removed from the meeting. I can still hear the loud cracks and loud howls as they were outside being spanked by their fathers. They were then returned to the meeting and sat back down in their chairs. Crying babies taken into the bedroom with their mothers.
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Post by ronhall on May 16, 2011 13:51:21 GMT -5
In the meetings I attended in my youth, if any children misbehaved in the least they were removed from the meeting. I can still hear the loud cracks and loud howls as they were outside being spanked by their fathers. They were then returned to the meeting and sat back down in their chairs. Crying babies taken into the bedroom with their mothers. I can relate to that, to some extent. My dad had a good one -- "If you don't stop crying, I'll give you something to cry about." :>( My observation is that the present day parents have much better methods in this area. Not only are they more effective, they are also less intrusive, both to the child and the meeting. I told one young father, "I may decide to covert to Buddhism. If I do, could I count on your being my dad, next life?" :>)
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Post by emy on May 16, 2011 16:03:05 GMT -5
I can relate to that, to some extent. My dad had a good one -- "If you don't stop crying, I'll give you something to cry about." :>( Must be a universal remark! I heard it too - and also used it for my own kids when they were doing the whining cry!
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Post by ronhall on May 16, 2011 20:45:22 GMT -5
Why, you old mean momma, you!!!!
Our kids weren't cryers or whiners. They were terribly active, though. The strategy we used in dealing with them was to keep them busy.
Later during their high school and college years I took an early retirement and we did market gardening. I hesitate to even think about how things might have gone had we not provided something profitable but also extremely labor intensive to keep them occupied. I'm entirely convinced things would have turned out much different.
Now that they each have their own homes on an acre or two, they each have their own gardens and orchards. So I guess we didn't work them so much they grew to hate it.
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Post by melissa71 on May 22, 2011 16:19:00 GMT -5
To directly answer the thread question - GUILT in large quantities was used as punishment. Being told how vain, prideful, rebellious we were and how other F/W were SO disappointed in us--and these rants could last for an hour or so. Or being backhanded across the face and having our lip split open.
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Post by emy on May 22, 2011 17:34:11 GMT -5
These verses come to mind.
Eph. 6:3-4 If you honor your father and mother, “things will go well for you, and you will have a long life on the earth.” Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger by the way you treat them. Rather, bring them up with the discipline and instruction that comes from the Lord.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2011 19:27:24 GMT -5
These verses come to mind. Eph. 6:3-4 If you honor your father and mother, “things will go well for you, and you will have a long life on the earth.” Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger by the way you treat them. Rather, bring them up with the discipline and instruction that comes from the Lord. Yes, and I believe that bringing them up with the discipline and instruction that comes from the Lord would emcompass : spare not the rod and spoil the child.
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Post by Child of God on Jun 2, 2011 23:35:49 GMT -5
To directly answer the thread question - GUILT in large quantities was used as punishment. Being told how vain, prideful, rebellious we were and how other F/W were SO disappointed in us--and these rants could last for an hour or so. Or being backhanded across the face and having our lip split open. wow... I couldn't ever imagine a parent treating their child like that... raising your voice at a child to make a point is one thing, but to rant and rant and hit a child is nothing short of the worst kind of abuse toward a child.... I just can't imagine it.
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