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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2010 17:16:38 GMT -5
The VOT team wishes to apologize to our readers that VOT is currently offline.
However, we are making every effort to get back up and running as soon as possible.
We also wish to thank everyone for all the support and love during this brief hiatus. Your thoughts and prayers are appreciated. Somehow the words "love those that hate you and do good to those who despitefully use you" come to mind....but that is all in good humor~
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Post by What Hat on Nov 1, 2010 18:24:50 GMT -5
We read that short story in high school literature. Thanks What. Proof writing about nothing can become an opera. I haven't read Gogol's Nose but read one or two others and they are quite good. My son and I saw a touring production of Gogol's The Overcoat and it was very profound, and sad as well. It was entirely pantomimed, no spoken words.
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Post by What Hat on Nov 2, 2010 8:43:32 GMT -5
The VOT team wishes to apologize to our readers that VOT is currently offline.
However, we are making every effort to get back up and running as soon as possible.
We also wish to thank everyone for all the support and love during this brief hiatus. Your thoughts and prayers are appreciated. Hey, don't worry about us. We're doing fine without the site.
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Post by emy on Nov 2, 2010 13:56:36 GMT -5
The VOT team wishes to apologize to our readers that VOT is currently offline.
However, we are making every effort to get back up and running as soon as possible.
We also wish to thank everyone for all the support and love during this brief hiatus. Your thoughts and prayers are appreciated. Hey, don't worry about us. We're doing fine without the site. ;D
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Nov 2, 2010 14:21:39 GMT -5
The VOT team wishes to apologize to our readers that VOT is currently offline.
However, we are making every effort to get back up and running as soon as possible.
We also wish to thank everyone for all the support and love during this brief hiatus. Your thoughts and prayers are appreciated. Hey, don't worry about us. We're doing fine without the site. They could say the same about this one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2010 14:33:57 GMT -5
Hey, don't worry about us. We're doing fine without the site. They could say the same about this one. That's true, but the fact that they are offline would indicate that they aren't doing so fine....with or without us~
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Post by DumSpiroSpero on Nov 2, 2010 14:44:51 GMT -5
I dunno - I think criticism is a good thing sometimes... I know for myself, if someone has a critical eye on what I'm doing, I tend to be more careful about what it is I'm doing and how I'm doing it.
The Australian Democrats (cmpletely different to the Democrats in the USA) were a minority party in the Senate, and flourished in the 80s and 90s before fading out in the last 10 years.
Their catch phrase was "keeping the b*****ds honest" - this referred to their vocal criticism and holding to account of the two major political parties, Labor and Liberals
I think sites like VOT have had a fairly important role in causing a large amount of introspection amongst the 2x2 - self examination is a good thing and it sometimes (usually) takes an outside influence to start the process.
Just my thoughts on the matter
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2010 15:11:09 GMT -5
I think sites like VOT have had a fairly important role in causing a large amount of introspection amongst the 2x2 - self examination is a good thing and it sometimes (usually) takes an outside influence to start the process. Just my thoughts on the matter I agree. We heard at special meeting that the older you get, the less likely you are to be corrected by anyone but that doesn't mean that you are necessarily any better than you were back when your parents/peers/bosses were correcting you. Whether or not you agree with them, it's a useful exercise to ponder what is being said.
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Post by sharonw on Nov 2, 2010 15:22:34 GMT -5
I think sites like VOT have had a fairly important role in causing a large amount of introspection amongst the 2x2 - self examination is a good thing and it sometimes (usually) takes an outside influence to start the process. Just my thoughts on the matter I agree. We heard at special meeting that the older you get, the less likely you are to be corrected by anyone but that doesn't mean that you are necessarily any better than you were back when your parents/peers/bosses were correcting you. Whether or not you agree with them, it's a useful exercise to ponder what is being said. Most often those things said that are truthful hurt the worst...maybe have been over stated...but are truthful...I think this is exactly what happened...but when you have multiple people stating the same things, then yes, things will "seem" overstated and made too much of, but it takes multiple people and experiences to bring out that which is the painful truth!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2010 15:31:55 GMT -5
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Post by Happy Feet on Nov 2, 2010 16:18:35 GMT -5
From his website: Q1. Are you the only true church/believers? His response: We do not know. There was a church in Murfreesboro, TN, but that has since dissolved. Other than that, we have not yet, as of this date, found another church that is in the truth (1 John 4:6), and we have been to many. Will we find one? Actually, the real question is, will Christ find one? Q2. Is Darwin Fish the only true pastor in the world? (Darwin Fish is the name the guy calls himself) His answer: Please read question #1. Q3. Can you name any other true believers/teachers in history (outside of the Bible) since the early church (100 AD) until now? No, and some are aghast that we would answer in such a way. They erroneously conclude, therefore, that we must be a cult. But, here again is another man-made standard by which fools judge (Matthew 7:1-2). Where in the Word of God does it say we should be able to name true believers of the past? Nowhere. For a more detailed response to this question, see our article, Believers Of The Past. Q4. How many people are in your church? Currently there are about 50 people. We have often been wrongly accused of evil because our size is small. But we know truth is not by majority vote (2 Peter 2:2), and narrow is the way and few find it (Matthew 7:13-14; Luke 13:24). (Seems like there are only 50 who are and who have ever been saved since 100AD)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2010 16:24:34 GMT -5
From his website: Are you the only true church/believers? We do not know. There was a church in Murfreesboro, TN, but that has since dissolved. Other than that, we have not yet, as of this date, found another church that is in the truth (1 John 4:6), and we have been to many. Will we find one? Actually, the real question is, will Christ find one? Is Darwin Fish the only true pastor in the world? (Darwin Fish is the name the guy calls himself on his website) If he is the one true preacher then you would think he would give his name. Please read question #1. Q3. Can you name any other true believers/teachers in history (outside of the Bible) since the early church (100 AD) until now? No, and some are aghast that we would answer in such a way. They erroneously conclude, therefore, that we must be a cult. But, here again is another man-made standard by which fools judge (Matthew 7:1-2). Where in the Word of God does it say we should be able to name true believers of the past? Nowhere. For a more detailed response to this question, see our article, Believers Of The Past. Q4. How many people are in your church? Currently there are about 50 people. We have often been wrongly accused of evil because our size is small. But we know truth is not by majority vote (2 Peter 2:2), and narrow is the way and few find it (Matthew 7:13-14; Luke 13:24). I read through his website; interesting that he thought it was okay to go preach to the people going in to the church he was ousted from and not seem that perhaps they might take that well. He claims Darwin Fish is his real name; well, sure why not? Parents are entitled to a little humor, no???
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Post by What Hat on Nov 2, 2010 19:08:53 GMT -5
I dunno - I think criticism is a good thing sometimes... I know for myself, if someone has a critical eye on what I'm doing, I tend to be more careful about what it is I'm doing and how I'm doing it. The Australian Democrats (cmpletely different to the Democrats in the USA) were a minority party in the Senate, and flourished in the 80s and 90s before fading out in the last 10 years. Their catch phrase was "keeping the b*****ds honest" - this referred to their vocal criticism and holding to account of the two major political parties, Labor and Liberals I think sites like VOT have had a fairly important role in causing a large amount of introspection amongst the 2x2 - self examination is a good thing and it sometimes (usually) takes an outside influence to start the process. Just my thoughts on the matter There's a way to do criticism properly, and they don't do it.
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Post by What Hat on Nov 2, 2010 19:10:19 GMT -5
I agree. We heard at special meeting that the older you get, the less likely you are to be corrected by anyone but that doesn't mean that you are necessarily any better than you were back when your parents/peers/bosses were correcting you. Whether or not you agree with them, it's a useful exercise to ponder what is being said. Most often those things said that are truthful hurt the worst...maybe have been over stated...but are truthful...I think this is exactly what happened...but when you have multiple people stating the same things, then yes, things will "seem" overstated and made too much of, but it takes multiple people and experiences to bring out that which is the painful truth! I don't think so. Truthful things may hurt, but falsehoods hurt far worse.
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Post by Gene on Nov 2, 2010 19:28:11 GMT -5
I dunno - I think criticism is a good thing sometimes... I know for myself, if someone has a critical eye on what I'm doing, I tend to be more careful about what it is I'm doing and how I'm doing it. The Australian Democrats (cmpletely different to the Democrats in the USA) were a minority party in the Senate, and flourished in the 80s and 90s before fading out in the last 10 years. Their catch phrase was "keeping the b*****ds honest" - this referred to their vocal criticism and holding to account of the two major political parties, Labor and Liberals I think sites like VOT have had a fairly important role in causing a large amount of introspection amongst the 2x2 - self examination is a good thing and it sometimes (usually) takes an outside influence to start the process. Just my thoughts on the matter There's a way to do criticism properly, and they don't do it. Right, which is why reasonable people do not care for Fox News. (Wow, what a loaded statement. Did I just write that? ;D)
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Post by emy on Nov 2, 2010 19:37:08 GMT -5
There's a way to do criticism properly, and they don't do it. Right, which is why reasonable people do not care for Fox News. (Wow, what a loaded statement. Did I just write that? ;D) Many reasonable people like Fox News! Let's re-state that: Right, which is why reasonable liberal people do not care for Fox News. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2010 19:49:58 GMT -5
Right, which is why reasonable people do not care for Fox News. (Wow, what a loaded statement. Did I just write that? ;D) Many reasonable people like Fox News! Let's re-state that: Right, which is why reasonable liberal people do not care for Fox News. ;D Thanks emy because I think I'm reasonable and I like Fox News. But for sure a liberal wouldn't`
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Post by Gene on Nov 2, 2010 19:58:15 GMT -5
Many reasonable people like Fox News! Let's re-state that: Right, which is why reasonable liberal people do not care for Fox News. ;D Thanks emy because I think I'm reasonable and I like Fox News. But for sure a liberal wouldn't` If they'd just name it Fox Opinions, or Fox Editorials, or Fox The Way We See It, I'd be happier. Unfortunately, they have not yet asked me what would make me happy. Jesus was a liberal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2010 20:09:20 GMT -5
You know Gene, those of use who are conservatives feel like CNN and the rest of the world should be called News the Way I See It also. See the thread on news bias in the secular section. That's the problem with we human folk: we think our views are correct and whatever substantiates that position is unbiased.
Bet there's no news in Heaven!
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Post by Gene on Nov 2, 2010 20:18:05 GMT -5
You know Gene, those of use who are conservatives feel like CNN and the rest of the world should be called News the Way I See It also. See the thread on news bias in the secular section. That's the problem with we human folk: we think our views are correct and whatever substantiates that position is unbiased. Bet there's no news in Heaven! I know that, Hberry. Most of what I write these days on TMB is with tongue planted firmly in cheek. As for no news in heaven? Well, I think of it like this: Liberals are going to hell. Conservatives are going to heaven. That means the NY Times will be in hell, and Fox will be in heaven. Where does that leave us? No news in heaven.
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Nov 2, 2010 20:21:35 GMT -5
Bet there's no news in Heaven! pssst, Tommy, did you hear? Janet's halo fell off during worship and she got demoted to third chair harpist...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2010 20:23:56 GMT -5
Bet there's no news in Heaven! pssst, Tommy, did you hear? Janet's halo fell off during worship and she got demoted to third chair harpist... LOL: The Universal Enquirer???
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Post by DumSpiroSpero on Nov 3, 2010 3:45:18 GMT -5
I dunno - I think criticism is a good thing sometimes... I know for myself, if someone has a critical eye on what I'm doing, I tend to be more careful about what it is I'm doing and how I'm doing it. The Australian Democrats (cmpletely different to the Democrats in the USA) were a minority party in the Senate, and flourished in the 80s and 90s before fading out in the last 10 years. Their catch phrase was "keeping the b*****ds honest" - this referred to their vocal criticism and holding to account of the two major political parties, Labor and Liberals I think sites like VOT have had a fairly important role in causing a large amount of introspection amongst the 2x2 - self examination is a good thing and it sometimes (usually) takes an outside influence to start the process. Just my thoughts on the matter There's a way to do criticism properly, and they don't do it. There's probably right and wrong ways to excommunicate ppl, deal with CSA, treat people, minister to the flock etc etc etc. Criticism from the hurt, shamed, shunned, and mistreated, and even their self appointed spokespeople is likely to seem a little harsh and bitter. I'm not excusing anyone, just suggesting that a natural balance often requires extremes at both ends - kind of a bell curve, if you like.
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Post by alexander on Nov 3, 2010 5:21:47 GMT -5
I don't think so. Truthful things may hurt, but falsehoods hurt far worse. Very nice statement. God cannot lie and satan is the father of lies. Be not deceived my fellow brethren.
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Post by sharonw on Nov 3, 2010 6:58:47 GMT -5
Most often those things said that are truthful hurt the worst...maybe have been over stated...but are truthful...I think this is exactly what happened...but when you have multiple people stating the same things, then yes, things will "seem" overstated and made too much of, but it takes multiple people and experiences to bring out that which is the painful truth! I don't think so. Truthful things may hurt, but falsehoods hurt far worse. Yes, because man's pride allows it to....IF things are truely false, in all reality it should just bounce off our backs simply BECAUSE we know that it IS false! It seems to me when people respond to false allegations then that tends to give them credence...but yet I'm well aware through my own self, that it is nigh unto impossible NOT to respond! Maybe this is where God tells us to turn the other cheek...don't give it credence! God KNOWs the truth even though mankind thinks He doesn't!
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Post by sharonw on Nov 3, 2010 7:02:09 GMT -5
You know Gene, those of use who are conservatives feel like CNN and the rest of the world should be called News the Way I See It also. See the thread on news bias in the secular section. That's the problem with we human folk: we think our views are correct and whatever substantiates that position is unbiased. Bet there's no news in Heaven! You may be right....Solomon as the wisest human on earth said it! "There is no new thing under the sun!" Oops he said "under" the sun!
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Post by Barry G on Nov 3, 2010 8:05:13 GMT -5
If they'd just name it Fox Opinions, or Fox Editorials, or Fox The Way We See It, I'd be happier. I spent some (rare) time listening to the CBC, CBS and NPR last night during the election coverage. The reporters sounded like they were the party leadership in how they asked their questions. I have no problem with changing the name to 'Fox Opinions,' but only if the the rest of the 'news' networks do the same.
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Post by todd on Nov 3, 2010 8:21:14 GMT -5
I don't think so. Truthful things may hurt, but falsehoods hurt far worse. Very nice statement. God cannot lie and satan is the father of lies. Be not deceived my fellow brethren. That was the trouble with VOT... they were constant liers (as harsh as that sounds). I caught them out way too many times. They had 2 choices... either admit they were wrong, or kick me out so that they could continue to wallow in their anguish without anyone correcting the false statements and assumptions. I got kicked out.
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