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Post by shiloh on Jun 19, 2010 8:32:50 GMT -5
www.africancrisis.co.za/Article.php?ID=47276&This BS has got to stop NOW! This is awful. All forms of racism are wrong. South Africa is a failed state. Crime rampant. Murder out of control. The Afrikaaners have no place to go. I don't understand why South African wasn't divided into white and black areas in 1994. The whites once relied on the white police force during apartheid. Today they have no protection from the majority. Just as apartheid was wrong, this new policy of forcing whites off of land by any means is WRONG. Somehow there is less sympathy towards descendents from European settlers in the evil Imperialism and Colonialism. White farmers have owned the land for decades. Again, about 25 percent of the land of South Africa should have been used as an Afrikaan homeland. Then they could have built up a nation and a police and military force. Nelson Mandela wasn't the right man to lead the country in 1994. Too much media stardom. After decades in jail, he would`lack leadership skills. You can't be in prison for decades and not feel bitter and you have every right to be bitter. SA needed a black educated and traveled president with some experience in a governmental position. This great multicultural society has gone to hell in a handbasket.
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Post by rational on Jun 19, 2010 9:25:13 GMT -5
Today they have no protection from the majority. Just as apartheid was wrong, this new policy of forcing whites off of land by any means is WRONG. Sometimes democracy just doesn't work. That seems to be especially true if you are in the minority. White farmers have owned the land for decades. Again, about 25 percent of the land of South Africa should have been used as an Afrikaan homeland. Then they could have built up a nation and a police and military force. One might question why the Afrikaners would get 25% of the land when they represent only about 10% of the population? Does the fact that they took the land and had it worked by essentially slave labor give them extraordinary rights?
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jun 19, 2010 10:57:27 GMT -5
Sometimes democracy just doesn't work. That seems to be especially true if you are in the minority. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for supper. On the other hand our constituational republic protects the rights of the minority.
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Post by shiloh on Jun 19, 2010 13:09:43 GMT -5
People today cannot be blamed for something that happened a century ago. At one time, there was close to 20 percent of the population that was Afrikaan. There is nobody alive today who either kicked anyone off of their land or had their land confiscated. If I was Afrikaan, I would move to Australia, Canada, Britain etc.. This is injustice and the rest of the world needs to act.
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Post by rational on Jun 19, 2010 19:16:58 GMT -5
People today cannot be blamed for something that happened a century ago. No one is blaming anyone. You wanted to give 25% of the land to people who represent 10% of the population. Isn't that what you are talking about? Whites being pushed off their land. Today. Sure, back in the first part of the 1900s whites did represent 20% of the population but that is not the case today so can you explain the 25% you wished to grant them? And if you are going to look historically, at one time there were 0% white in South Africa. It is, of course, unjust. So was the behavior of the whites who oppressed the natives for their own personal gain. And that brings into question the whites who occupy a position that is a direct result of the oppression. Do you think the non-white population is being treated fairly now? Have you read about the conditions in the mines? Would you work there?
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Post by shiloh on Jun 20, 2010 12:17:06 GMT -5
Ratinal, why stress over numbers. Numbers aren't the issue. This reverse racism is the issue. Forcing people off their own lands in other to mend an injustice of the past. Why can't people see beyond the influences of the liberal media who badmouth light skinned peoples for every social ill in other countries?
The incompetance of the southern African governments to develop commercial farming and run industries is appaling. 2000 white people have been murdered since 1994. Don't take my word. Get on YOU TUBE and do a search of South African white farmers. Genocide that conjures images of Germany in 1945.
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Post by emy on Jun 20, 2010 13:31:15 GMT -5
Just a little more information about south Africa that came across my screen recently. I guess the World Cup turned lots of eyes that way.
While the eyes of the world are on South Africa as it hosts the 2010 World Cup Football games, we are sitting here next door (Zimbabwe) shivering in the dark and the cold. For the past four months we've been experiencing 16 hour a day power cuts, only having electricity in the middle of the night. All our protestations have been met with assurances that these cuts were to enable vital maintenance which in turn would allow for uninterrupted power during the World Cup Football Games. That has turned out to be a myth.
In my home area first we missed the excitement prior to the concert at the Soweto stadium, then we missed the official opening of the World Cup games, then, to top it all off, we missed the first match between South Africa and Mexico. When the electricity did finally come on, after everything was over, we were more concerned about the essentials of life than about football. Essentials like a hot meal - the first for days, washing and ironing, charging telephones and batteries and catching up on the news.
With the world's cameras just a few hundred kilomteres away over the border, and the great spectacle of extravagance being unfolded in South Africa, its hard to believe the dark ages events taking place in Zimbabwe. Behind the football smokescreen an MDC MP was arrested and spent days in police custody for giving out donated vitamins, dietary supplements and common aspirin tablets. This comes shortly before the long awaited and very overdue constitutional outreach programme begins, a programme in which this MP has been heavily involved.
Also lost in the football smoke is Farai Maguwa, a researcher into human rights violations at the Marange diamond fields who was arrested, denied bail and has remained in custody for the second week. This comes days before Zimbabwe again tries to get Kimberley Process approval to sell diamonds.
We wonder if any of the international camera crews might cross the border and report on the new wave of farm seizures in many parts of the country. In the past week 16 commercial farmers who had court orders protecting them have come under renewed eviction attempts. This is happening at a time when the Commercial Farmers Union have said that Zimbabwe is set to record its lowest ever wheat output of about 10 000 tonnes. To put this into context, Zimbabwe used to produce between 250 and 300 thousand tonnes of wheat prior to land invasions. Zimbabwe will will need to import up to 400 thousand tonnes of wheat in the coming year in order to meet national requirements.
Finally, the last puff in the smoke cloud obscuring Zimbabwe from international attention, comes the news that our leaders are again to call for mediation to settle outstanding issues in their power sharing agreement. Still no governors, no deputy minister of agriculture, no resolution on unilateral appointments of Reserve Bank Governor and Attorney General. Most people agree that this is all now a waste of time and that we should proceed with a new constitution and elections and stop all this stalling.
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Post by shiloh on Jun 20, 2010 18:15:33 GMT -5
Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe needs to be overthrown. Along with other despots like Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung IL, Raul Castro, etc..
When are the governments of South Africa and Zimbabwe going to start protecting the lives and economic well being of the white minority? They kill them and drive them out at their own peril.
People in Zimbabwe live about 45 years. Mexicans live 73 according to world almanac 2009. Every day in South Africa 50 people are murdered.
Until the governments decide to protect the white minority, the economies of South Africa and Zimbabwe will sink into ruin. Street battles are common scenes in Capetown and Johannesburg.
Do some YOU TUBE searches and hear grieving families tell about family members shot, stabbed, beaten with an ax in front of their families.
The photos of the White Genocide in Southern Africa are sickening. Where is Desmund Tutu who was always in the news during Apartheid. Where is the US and European governments? How about some sanctions on these nations. In Zimbabwe it is national policy but in South Africa the government is allowing the thugs to do their dirty work. Put pressure on the UN and other groups.
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Post by rational on Jun 20, 2010 21:20:55 GMT -5
Ratinal, why stress over numbers. Numbers aren't the issue. It was you that mentioned giving 10% of the population 25% of the land. Not too difficult to see in the case of SA. You seem to have shifted from South Africa to southern Africa. Which did you wish to discuss? Let's see. That works out to 125 murders a year or one every 3 days. Reuters reported on June 4, 2010 that 50 people are murdered a day. Sounds like those white murders are far below normal. Maybe another source. 2002 figures (latest I could find): Homicide rate for the entire population was 48 per 100,000 (US was 5.6 per 100.000 for the same time) Black homicide rate was 80 per 100,000 The white homicide rate was about 20 per 100,000. These figures may be misleading depending whether the rates are based on, for example, white murders per 100,000 whites or white murders per 100,000 total population. I didn't. But neither will I waste time listening to some unsubstantiated YouTube broadcast. Of course these things are wrong. But the reporting has to make one wonder. People like Ilana Mercer and organizations like World Net Daily do no favors to anyone with their distortions and highly sensationalized reporting. It has the same effect as Reefer Madness . The distortions are evident so the reader, left to their own devices to determine what is accurate, dismiss it all.
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Post by shiloh on Jun 21, 2010 12:42:07 GMT -5
Let's all pray for South Africa and Zimbabwe. Pray that the evil thugs will be brought down and peace can prevail.
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Post by shiloh on Jun 21, 2010 12:50:19 GMT -5
The ANC has a terroristic background. The country needs a party unconnected to the past. It is the past that the country needs to move away from. If there is some general who fired on unarmed protesters in Soweto in 76 or Sharpville in 60, arrest him. But blaming EVERY Afrikaaner today for what happened then is plain wrong. And I think we all agree on that. On You Tube, I listened to a weeping mother who had her 9 year old girl slain in the back seat of her car as she drove through Johannesburg.
Blacks need to stop blaiming whites and start blaming the ANC. The most important thing in life is to feel SAFE. I live on a small farm. I wouldn't want some Indian pushing me out to correct some historic injustice.
Pretoria needs to be held accountable for this crime wave that has nobody feeling safe...black or white. On one YOU TUBE video, the security official says if you don't like it here LEAVE. Instead of doing his job to make the place safer.
Zimbabwe and South Africa are failed states. And until they make the commercial farmers feel safer, they will continue their economic slide into more poverty and violence. Every maimed and slain farmer only intensifies the economic ruin of the nations.
Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe needs to be hung on a lamp post for his evil deeds.
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Post by shiloh on Jun 21, 2010 13:10:17 GMT -5
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Post by Jason Storebo on Jul 3, 2010 3:09:06 GMT -5
Would it not have been better, perhaps, if whites had never settled in South Africa? Of course the same can be asked if it would not have been better if whites had never settled North...and South America.
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Post by shiloh on Jul 3, 2010 10:15:25 GMT -5
South Africa should have been divided into 2 countries long ago. The current system can't last very long without serious problems. I believe God favoured Europeans because they were Christians and thus the Indians were defeated.
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Post by rational on Jul 4, 2010 20:51:37 GMT -5
South Africa should have been divided into 2 countries long ago. The current system can't last very long without serious problems. I believe God favoured Europeans because they were Christians and thus the Indians were defeated. I believe the team with the lowest morals won.
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