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Post by Admin on Jul 30, 2008 19:26:55 GMT -5
Q: worker83, how do you put this in words as you preach in your missions I wonder?
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Post by Admin on Jul 30, 2008 19:38:17 GMT -5
Yes, good point ("he always preached the gospel, and used words when necessary"). But words are important sometimes too. Especially not using the wrong ones.
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Post by worker83 on Jul 30, 2008 21:52:47 GMT -5
Me too ! Every other post !
hmm I would think if someone is confident in his belief, be it right or wrong, but to him it is right, he is likely not open to the message being presented. This is something new to me to hear that workers don't present a clear message (Oh, sure I've seen and heard the ones who have a poor presentation, or so nervous, they just bumble around but even they sometimes in their sincerity have a real impact on those listening - so the message is received - God is using that poor soul - that's the message that God intended to get across perhaps more than the words the man had prepared )
I don't think the meaning here was to 'work out their salvation' in works - but rather by faith and following/obedience to the Spirit - it works out. Notice I said Spirit - not the workers nor traditions - only the Spirit - that doesn't exclude either the workers or traditions - only as the Spirit is working in them. Some who post see no Spirit in the workers, others see only the Spirit in them and not the human vessels that they are . . .
'restore the life of God to us' and then 'it takes God's life in us to be spiritually alive' - I'm not understanding the choice of words here - Nor "Christ in the Christian puts God back into the man" - when was God in the man ?? I'm not sure what you mean here, please . . .
That's more what I understand - that Christ lives in us -
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Post by Admin on Jul 30, 2008 22:56:26 GMT -5
hmm I would think if someone is confident in his belief, be it right or wrong, but to him it is right, he is likely not open to the message being presented. This is something new to me to hear that workers don't present a clear message (Oh, sure I've seen and heard the ones who have a poor presentation, or so nervous, they just bumble around but even they sometimes in their sincerity have a real impact on those listening - so the message is received - God is using that poor soul - that's the message that God intended to get across perhaps more than the words the man had prepared ) No, not the bumbling presentation. I was meaning when the teaching is not clear. An ambiguous message, in other words. I can listen and take it one way, someone else the opposite. It happens, I assure you 'restore the life of God to us' and then 'it takes God's life in us to be spiritually alive' - I'm not understanding the choice of words here - Nor "Christ in the Christian puts God back into the man" - when was God in the man ?? I'm not sure what you mean here, please . . . There's more important questions for you, worker83, than delving into this. But I believe the answers are in a whole-of-humanity viewpoint going back to Adam. Also, we are spiritually dead until God places his Spirit within. That is God's prerogative. It is the only criterion for defining saved or unsaved, in my understanding. Thanks for your time
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