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Post by White Knight on Jun 6, 2009 9:36:09 GMT -5
Good morning to all. Now where do I start, hum I suppose I’ll start with you Mr. B Scott R. in concern/ing Wings if I may ask and I’m sure others have thought this or asked about this question. Is wings incorporated or not and if not I’m sure you understand the legal ramifications’ that can happen or what you all have left yourselves open for especially if there is anything found false, negligible, inaccurate, or taken at or for, but not limited to face value ect. What Do I mean if I understand this correctly: If Wings is incorporated then only the board members are held liable to a limited liability suite and not so much as too those passing on the information to you. It comes back on all of you (past or present members, pending on time, date, and year) on the board because you all have elected to, in this case, post it as the truth/gospel/one hundred % facts!!! NOW if Wings, wings or any of its affiliates are not incorporated then all are open to a major law suit individually for any and all inaccuracies in or as defamation/ defamatory/slander of any sort ect: against innocent people including but not limited to those falsely charged, charged then charges dropped via court or negotiated, accused and not charged because of insufficient evidence as cynical as it may be.
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Post by White Knight on Jun 6, 2009 9:37:32 GMT -5
Now to bandtroll whoever you are you have opened yourself up for a major problem we have asked you simple question that have no merit to your name or personal residence. But we are saying and you do understand by not answering our questions you do admit guilt. And if you do belong to a government profession of any sort you can be held liable for distortion of facts and other uncomforting situations this may or could befall on you, which also includes if you are an attorney /lawyer, I would think. Remember a company that has dificaultys, reorganizing or going bankrupt are always in denial despite the accuracy of the rumor mill. Who is is it that always get it right is it not generally the rumor mill /or those in the know? Just because our facts have not made it to court yet does not mean that they should be dismissed and because they are not enshrined in ink as yet does not make them dismissible because there are too many people( you must admit) that have too much info and facts to counter the nay Sayers. Will you continue to side step the questions or will you continue to narrow your self down to who you are?
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Post by White Knight on Jun 6, 2009 9:39:19 GMT -5
As to Cherie Kropp I would really have to thank the master, for your work you have done though I do not fully agree with you or Ilylo. HE (the Lord) has been able to use all of you to or in exposing wrong within the fellowship that we on the inside could not because of reprisals that would have followed on the heels of such exposures. IN saying this this will either straighten the kingdom here in this earth or set it to further deterioration, if immediate attention is not heeded; Now in saying this anyone, who, should gloat, in the possible demise of the fellowship which is highly unlikely but may shrink to almost nonexistence which incidentally is fitting to the scriptures. So beware of what may befall you for GOD is not slack.
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Post by sharon on Jun 6, 2009 10:49:33 GMT -5
White Knight, it is the "gloating" that I've read on this board from those who enjoy seeing the demise and difficulties within the truth's fellowship that really worry me.....if there was no such glee within the conversations that are carried on and on about the truth's fellowship on this board as well as others, then all could be assumed to "be the exact work of God"...but the gloating and gleefulness certainly marks Satan's part in it all and though God can and will use the exposures of the truth about the truth's fellowship, He will also turn against the gloaters and the gleeful respiters. That is a fact and that is what concerns me about the hatred and anger that has consumed some who correspond on this board and I do pray that they do not fall victim to the results of that hatred and anger, I pray that they receive the full mercies and love of our Lord before the ends of their lives. I do not wish that any should perish just because of the angst, anger and hatred bred within the souls of any mankind. I think of Jesus and His death on the cross and I do not wish it that my Lord and Saviour would have died in vain for anyone due to Satan's clutches on them.
"Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy mind and with all thy soul. And love thy brethren as thyself!"
May that be fulfilled in all of us!
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Post by bandtroll on Jun 6, 2009 12:48:32 GMT -5
And if you do belong to a government profession of any sort you can be held liable for distortion of facts and other uncomforting situations this may or could befall on you, which also includes if you are an attorney /lawyer, I would think. I haven't distorted any facts so that is not an issue, regardless of who I am. I am not answering any questions as to who I am/am not. So far only the "King/Queen of England" is the only person that it has been proven I am not. I would hope that NOTHING you are doing with your civil case is based on anything I have posted here. I would suggest that you do have answers for the questions I have asked or the "other side" is going to have a field day with you in court. As to who I am, at this point I do not feel you would believe anything I would say about myself unless I provided you with my name, address, photo, etc and THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. (I will try to keep my posts brief, as this thread seems to have been sidetracked with the game of "guess who.")
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Post by jhjmr on Jun 6, 2009 14:52:46 GMT -5
Don't care who you are, don't care what your opinion is, don't care what you are speculating, don't care what you do and don't care when you do it. On this board you can say, pretend, state or question anything. Only thing that counts is what is said in court. Isn't England glad you aren't the King nor Queen. I heard the sign across the water!
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Post by jhjmr on Jun 7, 2009 15:10:50 GMT -5
Haven't heard from any Wings member. I would guess one is out enjoying the weekend crusin on his bike. Since we have heard of some quitting Wings, who is head now and how did they decide who would be part of Wings. Is Wings licensed? Did some members quit Wings because there appeard to be a witch hunt in the progress with all the false accusations that were made in Mi. of people that Wings could have had on a suspious list? Maybe someone did talk and then run? Or afraid that someone else could get everyone in hot water. But when you become a group that is out to help police or provide information about people that they have kept, is it legal without having a license to do so? We need to understand the makings of Wings and the legal ability they have. Because supplying information about a accusation that was never charged is actually slander to that person. No one is suppose to have false allegations except the prosecutor that would have had the choice of charging or dismissing the allegations. If you aren't charged, then there sure wasn't sufficent evidence to charge. Just wondering how all this plays out legally?
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Post by White Knight on Jun 7, 2009 18:56:09 GMT -5
Good evening how are we all doing this evening. Last wk I had the privilege to talk with Lyle S; we have crossed paths over several years. It was good see him again there were two sister workers here as well from MI. Today I had the privilege to be in company with Berry B, I was invited to NY I hope I get the privilege in having JF & BD along with some of the others I have been talking to about this case, so we, can all, get to the bottom of this mess and clear it up. That way all parties involved can stop this thing: he said she said we said they said I never said that to you must have misheard me you’ve take and blown it all out of proportion I didn’t mean it that way you misunderstood me and so on and so forth. I’ll have lots of paper work of wrong doings for them all to poor over and or phone #s to call. All I really want is unity and peace ect to flourish in the Kingdom and the hardship, heart aches to stop. As to the rest that belongs in the Masters hands and he knows what is what, the devil and our adversaries has had and is having a field day with all these atrocities. As I have long stated if there is a perpetrator of any sort in this mess that has done amiss to the twins I sincerely hope they are dealt with for their sakes and ours. That is before, during and should there be after this case. Yours Sincerely: WK.
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Post by White Knight on Jun 7, 2009 18:56:57 GMT -5
I would advise all to keep posting despite the disputed conflict bandtroll is going through with them self and inability to answer logical question and inability to distinguish someone asking who they are. In this, one only has a phobia of being caught with their hand in the cookie jar sort of speak. And if you are in the fellowship you are definitely not in the right spirit.
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Post by jphillips on Jun 7, 2009 19:06:52 GMT -5
I would advise all to keep posting despite the disputed conflict bandtroll is going through with them self and inability to answer logical question and inability to distinguish someone asking who they are. In this, one only has a phobia of being caught with their hand in the cookie jar sort of speak. And if you are in the fellowship you are definitely not in the right spirit. And with this intellectual 'pearl of enlightenment,' stick in the saddle bandtroll. An EX
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Post by bandtroll on Jun 7, 2009 20:57:27 GMT -5
I would advise all to keep posting despite the disputed conflict bandtroll is going through with them self No conflict here There is a difference between inability and choosing not to. I am choosing not to. OK, got me on this one. No idea what you are hinting at. (Not sure you and yours really want to know answers to all the questions you are asking.) OUCH. I'm biting my tongue on this one for now.
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Post by White Knight on Jun 7, 2009 22:32:04 GMT -5
Sept 27, 2008, 4:41pm, bandtroll wrote: I haven't said much about how I 'feel' about this case, and I doubt it would change how I feel, unless the facts were on their side. I do know people who have been accused, and I do understand what having this on ones record can mean. (But 'Rest of your life' is just a slight exaggeration, right?) Yes, what you were trying to do makes sence, thanks for the input. ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ How do you explain this" I haven't said much about how I 'feel' about this case, and I doubt it would change how I feel, unless the facts were on their side."So you are saying if the facts aren't on their side there's no point in listening to anyone else?
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Post by bandtroll on Jun 8, 2009 6:38:44 GMT -5
And if you are in the fellowship you are definitely not in the right spirit. Depending on how one reads this, it does sound like you are saying that ANYONE in ‘the fellowship’ is not in the right spirit (Because ‘the fellowship’ itself is wrong?) And if you are in the fellowship you are definitely not in the right spirit. If you are directing this at me, I’m sorry you find my defense of those accused and not found guilty and my first hand accounts of the mentally ill ‘in the wrong spirit.’ I’m guessing that those who defended you when you were accused had the ‘right spirit?’ Why the double standard? Remember, WE ARE KNOWN BY THE COMPANY WE KEEP And if you are in the fellowship you are definitely not in the right spirit. If the following is your idea of the ‘right spirit,’ add the definition of ‘right spirit’ to the things we disagree on. Bandtroll, in my opinion, you are either not telling the truth, or are incompetent. Bandtroll, I am saying that you seem to have a cavalier attitude to some posting here ... I will add again, it seems very suspect that you don't have a motive, or else you are very naive about too many things. You could at least be honest. So, with that clear ed up, we'll discuss Bandtroll. Come on, do you think we are so stupid … JHJMR, and Sharon, I believe that bandtroll should be dismissed, and considered for what they are. … In future posts, I choose to ignore Bandtroll as they are involved, and ignorant, believing that people don't see ulterior motives here. Remember you are the one doing the disinformation not us. If Bandtroll needs attention, let him get it some other way. Ignorance is bless. Who really cares what his opinion, his attitude, his comments or anything else means. ... You have our sympathy Bandtroll. Appartently you can't help it!! Bandtroll has the learned, albeit ignorant view, that if it doesn't come from the High Courts, it is not a fact. Must be nice to live in that world, with rose colored glasses and who knows what they are smoking? ... Bandtroll has stated that they have a different view. So does Charles Manson, but I have not seen anyone flocking to Charlie's cell in the mental facility in California to hear his view. I have not seen anyone on here flocking to Bandtroll's "arena" to get or hold their views. ... Does Bandtroll want others reports or accounts of what has happened out there? NO!!! ... As long as Bandtroll can keep the fire going, this mess is not going to be straightened out, and the division that exists will only deepen. ... Simply, Bandtroll can not be trusted and does not want the facts as they state, and is putting their reputation at stake, as a close minded agent for someone. I know you are psychic and can tell whom is just wildly accusing on here, but that is a gift that you alone possess... why don't you help us all out, and spoon feed us your version of what these witnesses "didn't see" so that we will not continue to make "inaccurate statements" thus clouding your agenda and your issues. I am sure that if a car exploded in your face and scorched your skin, and your superiors said that it didn't happen, you would look in the mirror at your burned skin, and think you had been in the sun too long, because you certainly did have a car explode in your face, you were told that did not happen, by the authorities, you are expecting all on here to give credence to facts. Maybe you have been in the sun too long and didn't wear proper headgear. That would be the only explanation for me to understand your attitude and opinions. ... You are certainly more qualified to tell these people that what they have seen and experienced is false, and they are hallucinating. ... Perhaps fanning the flames and keeping the division fits your purpose and agenda. I hope that with the exit of the main disinformation person, that the story could go forth in Bandtroll's little deluded world, ... Bandtroll has stated so many contradictory things here in an attempt to confuse those that are following the story ... that I am sure that bandtroll's feet are sore, from all of the switching back and forth. ... We should really have pity on bandtroll I also think that bandtroll has such a good prospective on "incompetency" being somewhat of an expert on the subject. Makes you wonder how people like that make decisions that affect others so much, when they are questionable in thieri own thinking. Bandtroll, I will type this real slow, so please read it real slow. Maybe you will get it. Only an idiot would not see that. Gene, thanks for the clarification. I was beginning to think that Bandtroll was the "queen" if you catch my drift. The above should also answer the question as to why the ratio of readers to posters is so low. Most people do not enjoy getting personally attack for asking questions or voicing their opinions. I have not seen anyone on here flocking to Bandtroll's "arena" to get or hold their views.
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Post by fred on Jun 8, 2009 6:46:06 GMT -5
ManFred......" intellectual pearls of wisdom" is a 'gem'. Not sure about the intellect but I struggle to understand the English used in many of the said posts.
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Post by bandtroll on Jun 8, 2009 7:37:46 GMT -5
But are those the people that Jesus said we should be like? Were they the ones we were to look to as examples of the 'right spirit?'
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Post by bandtroll on Jun 8, 2009 8:04:24 GMT -5
How do you explain this" I haven't said much about how I 'feel' about this case, and I doubt it would change how I feel, unless the facts were on their side." So you are saying if the facts aren't on their side there's no point in listening to anyone else? No, I'm saying that 'how I feel' about the case is not likely to change unless what is proven/admitted as facts change. And the only way I would know if the 'proven/admitted facts change' is to continue to listen to every side, which I do.
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Post by Scott Ross on Jun 8, 2009 8:32:22 GMT -5
It seems like a little personal argument of children who never stop saying --- you did it, no I didn't, you did. For us non involved, it would be nice to see facts and details as it would make more sense of this thread. If no one can produce facts in the form of details then why continue this thread at all. For the few who go back and forth, perhaps it would be better if you did it by PM. I mean really.The problem is that there is no way to 'know' what is fact and what isn't. For those that are directly involved, they know what has happened personally to them. However, the rest of those that read here have no way of knowing if what they are posting are in fact 'facts'. I have heard from quite a few people 'off board' about what has been going on in Michigan, and often what I hear 'off board' does not match up to what I read 'on board'. As always, I would welcome any court documents to be posted (with personal details marked out) so that a real sense could be made of what has happened. There are people posting here that say they have those documents, but don't post them. Look at how many pages of nothing is discussed. Forgive me in my take -- but enough is enough. I'm with you on that!!! It would really help if the facts being posted here could be backed up by the court rulings. Perhaps someone who was close to the case could give us a time line of: 1- The original charges in the child abuse case. 2- The court ordered actions required in that case. 3- The ruling of the court in that case. This would take care of the original charge of child abuse, and the results of the actions by the family and the court ruling. It should all be on court documents. Then.... The time line of the CSA issues that happened. 1- Date that the CSA issue was presented to the authorities. 2- Dates of the various court hearings regarding the case as it evolved. 3- How many were actually charged in the case. 4- The outcome of the investigation. 5- What the results were of the court case of the twin that admitted to filing a false report and the sentence handed down. 6- The results (when available) of the court hearing of the second twin and the ruling of the court. I am pretty sure that most of these court documents are available, and I am sure that if those who are posting here scanned in and posted those documents (minus personal details) then a lot of this 'he said she said' stuff could be put to rest. No matter what else happened in all of the mess over there, it is ultimately the actions of the court that determines what must be accepted as 'fact' in all of this. I do not mean to minimize the impact any of this has had on those involved at all. Posting what they have been through is certainly educational and informative to all that read here. However there seems to be a lot of finger pointing at the 'other side' without any way of backing that up with any publicly available information to verify it as 'fact'. In that case, there is no way for anyone here to determine whether the 'facts' are in fact true. We hear of charges being dismissed, and that should be easy to show through the court documents which are available to those concerned. (again leaving out any personal details) It sure would make things easier to understand..... Scott
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Post by bandtroll on Jun 8, 2009 8:33:23 GMT -5
But are those the people that Jesus said we should be like? Were they the ones we were to look to as examples of the 'right spirit?' Obviously you are laying a claim that some have gotten dirt on themselves just because they are in the company of others who are dirty--- ? If you know this to be fact, please detail the facts. My comments were only in reply to the 'right spirit' post. And quotes were to show the almost continual attack mode. I was not implying anything about the case itself. I do agree, but am not willing to let this become a 'one sided' thread. In fact before I was gone for two weeks I posted an "until later" post so I could go back and comment later without kicking this thread back to page one. But in the two weeks I was gone others jumped in and here we are. I think it would be great is someone would post the details AND list was is a proven fact and what is assumed (not yet proven.) But we can't seem to agree that somethings aren't yet proven. (Feel free to just click on my name and then click on IGNORE.)
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Post by bandtroll on Jun 8, 2009 8:38:45 GMT -5
For the few who go back and forth, perhaps it would be better if you did it by PM. I do agree, but am not willing to let this become a 'one sided' thread.[/quote] ... and more to remind people there is two sides than to try and convince anyone I'd PM.
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Post by White Knight on Jun 8, 2009 19:53:55 GMT -5
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Post by White Knight on Jun 8, 2009 20:07:07 GMT -5
For the few who go back and forth, perhaps it would be better if you did it by PM. I do agree, but am not willing to let this become a 'one sided' thread. ... and more to remind people there is two sides than to try and convince anyone I'd PM.[/quote] If you haven't been in the court room and you are relying on what other people have being saying here how can you sit there and spout of the things you are saying without seeing it for yourself or furthermore you never witnessed any of the court proceedings nor seen or witnessed what we have witnessed so either clam up or produce what you have witnessed in the same court hearing we've been in!!!
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Post by White Knight on Jun 8, 2009 20:10:00 GMT -5
bandtrol Re: Michigan « Reply #137 on Sept 24, 2008, 6:49pm » ________________________________________ I'm trying to understand why the twins are in the hospital? "Why now?" Or have they been in the hospital ever since the investigator said 'no more'?
“Does anyone have dates on this case?” Yes
“When did the twins start accusing people?” IN November 07 of sexual misconduct/assault “When did they first go to the police?” September, 4th, 2007 @1:15pm. “How many times did they go to the police?” To my understanding, there are more than 7 very large reports files by them. Under the heading COMPLAINANT: INTERVIEW COMPLAINANT: “When did the investigator say 'no more'?” In around March/ April 2008 “When were charges filed against the twins?” June 2008 “When did they go into the hospital?” By court order 9-19- 2008 “And their court date was 9/19?” 2008 all this has already been posted. WK
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Post by White Knight on Jun 8, 2009 20:34:31 GMT -5
White Knight, it is the "gloating" that I've read on this board from those who enjoy seeing the demise and difficulties within the truth's fellowship that really worry me.....if there was no such glee within the conversations that are carried on and on about the truth's fellowship on this board as well as others, then all could be assumed to "be the exact work of God"...but the gloating and gleefulness certainly marks Satan's part in it all and though God can and will use the exposures of the truth about the truth's fellowship, He will also turn against the gloaters and the gleeful respiters. That is a fact and that is what concerns me about the hatred and anger that has consumed some who correspond on this board and I do pray that they do not fall victim to the results of that hatred and anger, I pray that they receive the full mercies and love of our Lord before the ends of their lives. I do not wish that any should perish just because of the angst, anger and hatred bred within the souls of any mankind. I think of Jesus and His death on the cross and I do not wish it that my Lord and Saviour would have died in vain for anyone due to Satan's clutches on them. "Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy mind and with all thy soul. And love thy brethren as thyself!" May that be fulfilled in all of us! Yes you are right my sister in Christ. We have well come to that conclusion long ago. But as long as we live in this world there will always be matters to be looked after. This board will soon self destruct and then what will happen. Will this and other maters not still be in the Lords hands? We have done our part now we must hand it over into His hands until we are moved to do otherwise. Yours Sincerely. G, re:WK
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Post by pianoman on Jun 9, 2009 4:30:38 GMT -5
White Knight, you really shouldn't post those facts on here. You are going to bend Bandtroll's nose out of joint.
Since the one twin has plead guilty to felony lying (fact) I am going to withdraw my life savings and bet that the other twin is telling the truth.
As I have stated before, the remaining twin has no credibility, and is IN FACT, the one on trial for felony lying. I guess that is not solid enough.
Also as I have stated before, as Scott, and Bandtroll have been adamant about, "let's let the court decide", where that is a wonderful sentiment, how will that tell the whole story.
If the second twin is found guilty or pleads guilty, (per Bandtroll's "facts") I am sure that the courts are going to have a wonderful press conference and announce all of the lies that were told, and vindicate the falsely accused.
Once again, Bandtroll, you want to have your facts, why do you not talk about the facts that one twin lied and made up all of the accusations?
We are questioning how the list of 200 names came up so clear, when those that are closest to this case tell me that the twins didn't know all 200. Do you know something that the family members don't, or are you "speculating" in the fashion that you condemn others for?
Do I know who you are? Does it matter to you?
If you think that "the other side" is going to have a field day, you need a refresher course in credibility.
Once someone lies in court, their whole testimony can be stricken, or were you absent on that lecture?
The prosecution needs enough proof to charge this twin with lying. They must have it.
What tidbit are we missing that if a civil suit is filed, and more than the twins are named, that the side that files will be made to look foolish. I think there is enough solid evidence, involving those that shouldn't be involved (??) that some real monkey business is going to be looked at by any court. Lets look at some real facts again, if you don't mind.
There was a list of 200 names. None were charged with CSA.
Your postman or doctor, that someone doesn't know their name but knows them, theory falls apart on this point. Has anyone that has picked a person out of a lineup ever said, "that one, number three, is Joe Smith", when they did not know the name of the offender. Let's take that apart a bit. If they are numbered for the person to ID them, does that person need help in picking a name? Nope, the police provide that. Oppps sorry.
I don't care if you are in the fellowship or not, or call yourself a Christian. If you are either, you are really a troubled person, and when UK01 talks about Jesus hanging out with the lowest sinners, that is what he came for. One of the problems today with most Christians is that they forget that living right before those in need is what Jesus did.
Yes this is a kind of personal attack, because you know full well that no matter what the courts decide as your "facts" the other side will never get their story out, and that is what you want. That is despicable.
Why can't family members or those accused tell their "facts" as they are the facts to them. If they can't post their facts, at least loan them your crystal ball so they can have your insight and wisdom on what the facts are, pertaining to them.
Once again, I will not let this be sidetracked anymore than you will let it become "one sided".
This isn't about you and me, this is about those that lied, and those that were lied about, and those caught in the middle. If you have one shred of decency and compassion, you will let up on your legalistic theories.
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Post by rjs on Jun 9, 2009 18:53:25 GMT -5
Are the list of 200 names professing folks from Michigan?
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Post by emy on Jun 9, 2009 21:49:17 GMT -5
<< ... this is about those that lied .. >>
Not yet proven that Twin 2 lied. Yes, there is evidence (not proof) to charge her, but until a jury declares her guilty, it's not a proven fact.
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Post by bandtroll on Jun 9, 2009 22:10:05 GMT -5
White Knight, you really shouldn't post those facts on here. You are going to bend Bandtroll's nose out of joint. Since the one twin has plead guilty to felony lying (fact) I am going to withdraw my life savings and bet that the other twin is telling the truth. As I have stated before, the remaining twin has no credibility, and is IN FACT, the one on trial for felony lying. I guess that is not solid enough. When/where on this thread has anyone said that the twins did not lie? Where has anyone said that any of the 200 were guilty? The court case may reveal if the twins acted alone and/or if they were incompetent at the time they made the list. Those seem to be two of the biggest 'questions' on this thread. Courts usually don't hold press conferences, that is left up to the lawyers. I don't think there would be anything stopping them from doing just that. Not sure what else there is to say ?? The courts didn't charge any of the 200, but instead charged the twins with lying. (As I have said many times) I don't condemn anyone for speculating or assuming, as long as they state that is what they are doing. But on this thread too often the speculations are stated as if they were facts. Not likely. It shouldn't No. Credibility comes from facts, not assumptions. I'm assuming that the twins/anyone else named will plead the fifth. The 'field day' I was referring to was a lawyer picking apart all the assumptions. We both assume that. Only what I have stated before. Unless the ones who were there (twins/ex-workers) talk, there is not enough evidence (IMO) to win the case. It's a he said/she said argument with the burden of prove on the side filing the suit. And, IMO, those posting here on the side of the civil suit do not know a lot about mental illness, which is (or could be played to be) a major part of this case. Agreed. There's more to this part of the story but I'm not going to dig for it right now. Not troubled at all. (And in what way am I living wrong, by believing in 'innocent until proven guilty?) As far as I know, the 200 accused have gotten their story out, and will continue to do so. No one has any way of proving/dis-proving this, but I'd guess that more people know about this case because of what the 200 and their supporters have said/done than heard about the original allegations. As far as I know, no one has stopped them (nor tried to). But there does seem to be those that want stop those that hint at there may be another side. Agreed IE, stop defending those who haven't yet been found guilty ... trying to explain some insight into mental illness. Really, where's the compassion in that?
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Post by bandtroll on Jun 10, 2009 12:50:51 GMT -5
Everyone is digging for supposedly different information than what has been made known. Different or more? Yes, some who have been accused have not been found guilty, admitted guilt or cleared. ?? I doubt it was a shock to very many. (I do find it interesting that when some decide to 'list the fact's', that they actually do, this is not the first time on this thread. They manage to leave out those questionable statements that have been stated as fact before ?? The statements that have caused this thread to go on and on ) Based on these statements she has been banned from seeing ANYONE. Why do you ask why she was banned from seeing the ex-workers? What about why she was banned from seeing her family? Or anyone else that could influence her? Agreed
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