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Feb 11, 2009 20:22:53 GMT -5
Post by JO on Feb 11, 2009 20:22:53 GMT -5
OK, I believe George Walker told the truth when he wrote to Selective Service authorities. He certainly didn't pretend his organization was founded on the shores of Galilee. Now will you agree that William Irvine started the mission Wilson McClung, George Walker, Jack Carrol etc worked in.....and from that mission an organization evolved over time - Sunday AM meetings, a convention and special meetings system, overseers and workers' lists etc? ~~~ I will say this WI and the early workers decided to RETURN and CONTINUE the truth and way of Jesus as they read the Scriptures. Let us leave at that... NO argument from me. ;D
That was a noble goal. But will you agree that William Irvine started the mission Wilson McClung, George Walker, Jack Carrol etc worked in.....and from that mission an organization evolved over time - Sunday AM meetings, a convention and special meetings system, overseers and workers' lists etc?
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Feb 11, 2009 20:25:12 GMT -5
Post by Sharon on Feb 11, 2009 20:25:12 GMT -5
In order to understand how to help the problems that are existing within the truth's fellowship, we have to have an understanding how they got there! So it is of some priority to understand just exactly what WI contributed beyond gathering up some young men/women and making workers out of them according to his interpretation of Mt. 10. Thus if his evident delusions of grandeur via him thinking he was one of the two witnesses spoke about in Revs. was also working within the "beginnings" of his "experiment", then we can see why the residual workers would have wanted to "distance" themselves very greatly from anything that had WI's stamp to it....that would not take a medical degree to figure that out and since the beginning workers are dead and gone...we only have "facts' laid before us at this point. It was mentioned in another post, that Willie Jamieson visited WI in Jerusalem many years after his excommunication and found the man sadly lacking! WJ had gone there as a friend to help him if he could. WI let him know that his cigar was more enjoyable then his old buddies in the work. After that visit, how much more "distancing" happened within the 2X2's? We're not apt to know this....HOWEVER the fact does come out from the early workers' testimony and from all the unwillingness to "discuss William Irvine" all down through the years to the past very little while, that WI was an embarrassment to the fellowship in general and that there was a very large effort to "distance" anything to do WI by the workers. Thus the "founding" that WI did, was no longer viable! A new "founding" became! Or if you wish, call it another splintering sect! Sorry, but that is what appears to have happened and is understandable. There is little evidence of the physical changes, except in order to lean away from WI, perhaps more "men's commandments became doctrine". The sufferings of the whole fellowship at the time WI's delusions of grandeur and immoral lifestyle becoming apparent was perhaps the main reasons to "distance" themselves so far from him........which in the long run, may have given this day and age the sins of the fathers? ? I'm not saying this is definite or set in concrete, but just trying to come up with an understanding of what happened so we can help to change what needs to be changed and keep the love for our Lord and Saviour that many have within the truth's fellowship alive and well!
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Feb 11, 2009 20:34:11 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on Feb 11, 2009 20:34:11 GMT -5
FYI, WmI didn't begin believing he was one of the 2 witnesses until after he was put out of the sect. He was put out in 1914 and didnt get his "revelations" until 1918 that the "Age of Grace" had ended back in 1914 when WW One started. I'm not sure that he got the one that he was to be one of the 2 witnesses in 1918 even--I think it came a little later. It's not worth taking time to check out tho. In order to understand how to help the problems that are existing within the truth's fellowship, we have to have an understanding how they got there! So it is of some priority to understand just exactly what WI contributed beyond gathering up some young men/women and making workers out of them according to his interpretation of Mt. 10. Thus if his evident delusions of grandeur via him thinking he was one of the two witnesses spoke about in Revs. was also working within the "beginnings" of his "experiment", then we can see why the residual workers would have wanted to "distance" themselves very greatly from anything that had WI's stamp to it....that would not take a medical degree to figure that out and since the beginning workers are dead and gone...we only have "facts' laid before us at this point. It was mentioned in another post, that Willie Jamieson visited WI in Jerusalem many years after his excommunication and found the man sadly lacking! WJ had gone there as a friend to help him if he could. WI let him know that his cigar was more enjoyable then his old buddies in the work. After that visit, how much more "distancing" happened within the 2X2's? We're not apt to know this....HOWEVER the fact does come out from the early workers' testimony and from all the unwillingness to "discuss William Irvine" all down through the years to the past very little while, that WI was an embarrassment to the fellowship in general and that there was a very large effort to "distance" anything to do WI by the workers. Thus the "founding" that WI did, was no longer viable! A new "founding" became! Or if you wish, call it another splintering sect! Sorry, but that is what appears to have happened and is understandable. There is little evidence of the physical changes, except in order to lean away from WI, perhaps more "men's commandments became doctrine". The sufferings of the whole fellowship at the time WI's delusions of grandeur and immoral lifestyle becoming apparent was perhaps the main reasons to "distance" themselves so far from him........which in the long run, may have given this day and age the sins of the fathers? ? I'm not saying this is definite or set in concrete, but just trying to come up with an understanding of what happened so we can help to change what needs to be changed and keep the love for our Lord and Saviour that many have within the truth's fellowship alive and well!
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Feb 11, 2009 20:42:01 GMT -5
Post by JO on Feb 11, 2009 20:42:01 GMT -5
Siwells, I accept that William Irvine became an embarrassment to the fellowship and I fully understand why the early workers preferred to downplay his role as the man who started the mission Wilson McClung, George Walker, Jack Carrol etc worked in.
However that doesn't justify lying about the early days. From William Irvine's mission an organization evolved over time - Sunday AM meetings, a convention and special meetings system, overseers, workers' lists etc.
Still today many people (like Nathan it seems) continue to support the lie.
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Feb 11, 2009 20:42:05 GMT -5
Post by Sharon on Feb 11, 2009 20:42:05 GMT -5
FYI, WmI didn't begin believing he was one of the 2 witnesses until after he was put out of the sect. He was put out in 1914 and didnt get his "revelations" until 1918 that the "Age of Grace" had ended back in 1914 when WW One started. I'm not sure that he got the one that he was to be one of the 2 witnesses in 1918 even--I think it came a little later. It's not worth taking time to check out tho. In order to understand how to help the problems that are existing within the truth's fellowship, we have to have an understanding how they got there! So it is of some priority to understand just exactly what WI contributed beyond gathering up some young men/women and making workers out of them according to his interpretation of Mt. 10. Thus if his evident delusions of grandeur via him thinking he was one of the two witnesses spoke about in Revs. was also working within the "beginnings" of his "experiment", then we can see why the residual workers would have wanted to "distance" themselves very greatly from anything that had WI's stamp to it....that would not take a medical degree to figure that out and since the beginning workers are dead and gone...we only have "facts' laid before us at this point. It was mentioned in another post, that Willie Jamieson visited WI in Jerusalem many years after his excommunication and found the man sadly lacking! WJ had gone there as a friend to help him if he could. WI let him know that his cigar was more enjoyable then his old buddies in the work. After that visit, how much more "distancing" happened within the 2X2's? We're not apt to know this....HOWEVER the fact does come out from the early workers' testimony and from all the unwillingness to "discuss William Irvine" all down through the years to the past very little while, that WI was an embarrassment to the fellowship in general and that there was a very large effort to "distance" anything to do WI by the workers. Thus the "founding" that WI did, was no longer viable! A new "founding" became! Or if you wish, call it another splintering sect! Sorry, but that is what appears to have happened and is understandable. There is little evidence of the physical changes, except in order to lean away from WI, perhaps more "men's commandments became doctrine". The sufferings of the whole fellowship at the time WI's delusions of grandeur and immoral lifestyle becoming apparent was perhaps the main reasons to "distance" themselves so far from him........which in the long run, may have given this day and age the sins of the fathers? ? I'm not saying this is definite or set in concrete, but just trying to come up with an understanding of what happened so we can help to change what needs to be changed and keep the love for our Lord and Saviour that many have within the truth's fellowship alive and well! Okay, it wasn't "evident" he got the revelation he was until after he was put out.....or was that just a reason that he was put out, Cherie? I'm sorry, but you don't appear to be following me here! Your own facts have proposed that he was excommunicated because of some abnormal thinking....so it's possible that before this became a known fact to one and all, that there were some of the workers and/or friends who were privy to the fact his delusions of grandeur were actually in the works? He possibly was put out before what he was thinking or believing became preached? Is that a possibility? Sounds reasonable, doesn't it? WI was in a position to have really created a terrible problem for the whole fellowship if he'd been left to start preaching his abnormal ideas....why it took the others this long to realize he had a problem, I cannot tell you!
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Feb 11, 2009 20:47:10 GMT -5
Post by lin on Feb 11, 2009 20:47:10 GMT -5
JO wrote "Lin, I can say "me too" to your statement that the history "has absolutely no effect on my service to God".
But how can that be a reason for lying about the beginnings?
As long as I'm not the one lying,I don't worry about.
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Feb 11, 2009 20:56:36 GMT -5
Post by Sharon on Feb 11, 2009 20:56:36 GMT -5
Siwells, I accept that William Irvine became an embarrassment to the fellowship and I fully understand why the early workers preferred to downplay his role as the man who started the mission Wilson McClung, George Walker, Jack Carrol etc worked in. However that doesn't justify lying about the early days. From William Irvine's mission an organization evolved over time - Sunday AM meetings, a convention and special meetings system, overseers, workers' lists etc. Still today many people (like Nathan it seems) continue to support the lie. jo, What I'm not so sure of, is the truth's fellowship that is known today is exactly what it was during WI's tenure! Like I said before, because of the embarrassment and the residual workers critical and severe desire to "distance" themselves from WI and any influence he might have had upon the fellowship as a whole...do we not have what in all reality would be called a "splinter" off of what WI actually founded? And what he founded was a splinter off the FM? I remember the very adamant hush-hush about WI in my very early childhood.....I cannot recall the exact conversation and it only came up once that I remember and it was WI's name and that was all that was said and the workers there and I cannot remember who they were exactly hushed that talk with that air that young people always recognize as "grown-up talk"....that's what I remember. It really didn't grab my attention enough to pursue it at a later date and had no real recollection of it until approx. 2 yrs. ago!
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Feb 11, 2009 21:21:22 GMT -5
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Feb 11, 2009 21:27:27 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 21:27:27 GMT -5
All evidence and known facts support this as perfectly accurate.
(Slight modification to the above quote to include GW and JC).
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Feb 11, 2009 21:36:12 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 21:36:12 GMT -5
[/img] [/quote] Regardless of this overall discussion, this workers' list of 1905 is really quite amazing. To develop something like this from two workers pre-1899 to 200 workers in 1905 is really quite stunning. Someone could build a company of this size in 6 years with the appropriate amount of capital. However, this is nothing like that. This is not only a totally volunteer group, but they also gave up all their possessions and other engagements in life to do this. Nothing short of amazing.........
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Feb 11, 2009 21:39:36 GMT -5
Post by JO on Feb 11, 2009 21:39:36 GMT -5
JO wrote "Lin, I can say "me too" to your statement that the history "has absolutely no effect on my service to God". But how can that be a reason for lying about the beginnings? As long as I'm not the one lying,I don't worry about. Lin, I care about it because I don't like to see people deceived and hurt. Neither do I want to be seen as a supporter or defender of anything dishonest. I think you care more than you're letting on!
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Feb 11, 2009 21:40:21 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on Feb 11, 2009 21:40:21 GMT -5
Sharon, I dont disagree with your distancing concept, etc. I've been down that road of thought myself. I've collected various workers comments about it also... See Chapter 11 of mybook for what took place. www.tellingthetruth.info/founder_book/11wmibook.phpChapter 11: Wm. Irvine's Growing Discontent The Workers’ Growing Discontent The Founder is Rejected - The Scandal 1914 - Stepping Down The Living Witness Doctrine Ed Cooney's Renunciation The Workers Regroup The Impossible Questions Who Would Take Irvine's Place? The Workers Take Charge Hiding the Founder -The Cover-Up Ask a Worker: Who Was Wm. Irvine?
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Feb 11, 2009 21:45:59 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on Feb 11, 2009 21:45:59 GMT -5
Where is George Walkers testimony that mentions Edward Cooney? I dont guess I've seen it? All evidence and known facts support this as perfectly accurate. (Slight modification to the above quote to include GW and JC). ~~~ According to George Walker's testimony, William Irivine, Edward Cooney, and with the help of other workers and the friends.... It seems it was a TEAM effort in RETURN to the METHODS (New Testament church and apostolic ministry) and teachings taught and CARRIED out by Christ and His apostles.
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Feb 11, 2009 21:57:31 GMT -5
Post by emy on Feb 11, 2009 21:57:31 GMT -5
1 Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Perhaps the thoughts of WI's coworkers were not so much of distancing themselves as having the charity to hide his sins. I spent a bit of time around George Walker when I was very young, and that would fit what I know of him.
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Feb 11, 2009 21:59:00 GMT -5
Post by Happy Feet on Feb 11, 2009 21:59:00 GMT -5
All evidence and known facts support this as perfectly accurate. (Slight modification to the above quote to include GW and JC). ~~~ Thanks, CD.... ;D
According to George Walker's testimony, William Irivine, Edward Cooney, and with the help of other workers and the friends.... It seems it was a TEAM effort in RETURN to the METHODS (New Testament church and apostolic ministry) and teachings taught and CARRIED out by Christ and His apostles.
One person could NOT have put all those ideas together by himself WITHOUT the help from others.... MANY of the early workers had knowlege of the Scriptures from their previous denomination.
The Holy Spirit was given many of the workers, the friends revelation how the New Testament church operates.
As CD pointed out! it was truly amazing! 200 workers from 1899-1905. It was a miracle indeed.200 converts in 6 years as all who professed in those early years all became workers. Billy Graham has more converts in one meeting than that. Seems like women did not work those days outside of house keeping jobs so the work might not have been such a bad option. How many were women? How many of these continued for their lifetime and how many dropped out of the work? Many have attempted to return to the Scriptures, many Churches are started this way which is not unique to WI. Do you mean George Walker was trying to hide his sins, emy? What kind of sins was George trying to hide?
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Feb 11, 2009 22:03:29 GMT -5
Post by JO on Feb 11, 2009 22:03:29 GMT -5
As CD pointed out! it was truly amazing! 200 workers from 1899-1905. It was a miracle indeed. [/color][/quote] I agree Nathan, it was amazing. But that doesn't alter the fact that William Irvine started the mission Wilson McClung, George Walker, Jack Carrol etc worked in. From William Irvine's mission an organization evolved over time - Sunday AM meetings, a convention and special meetings system, overseers, workers' lists etc. My concern is that still today many people continue to support the rewriting of history to exclude William Irvine's role as the man who started the mission.
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Feb 11, 2009 22:04:49 GMT -5
Post by lin on Feb 11, 2009 22:04:49 GMT -5
I was thinking tonight about this great debate that is raging about WI.I think the debate is very murky and the reason is, there are two sides to a church. There is the natural side or the human side. This side of the church has an originator here on earth. It has organization,structure,and a body. We could say this is where WI and those early men fit in. They brought origin. The organization,structure and body has changed many times through the years. This can be documented and explained with history. That's not all bad.Then there is the spiritual side of the church. This is what the church brings into the lives of the people. A relationship with God. This is a separate subject and is not as much documented because it is a personal subject. Each persons experience is different. This also is an indication of the effectiveness of the church
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Feb 11, 2009 22:11:04 GMT -5
Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Feb 11, 2009 22:11:04 GMT -5
Someone could build a company of this size in 6 years with the appropriate amount of capital. However, this is nothing like that. This is not only a totally volunteer group, but they also gave up all their possessions and other engagements in life to do this. Nothing short of amazing......... I find this no more amazing than the growth of the early church in the first century. Such miracles have occurred multiple times throughout the ages. Mormanism is truly amazing to me.
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Feb 11, 2009 22:15:36 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 22:15:36 GMT -5
All evidence and known facts support this as perfectly accurate. (Slight modification to the above quote to include GW and JC). ~~~ Thanks, CD.... ;D
According to George Walker's testimony, William Irivine, Edward Cooney, and with the help of other workers and the friends.... It seems it was a TEAM effort in RETURN to the METHODS (New Testament church and apostolic ministry) and teachings taught and CARRIED out by Christ and His apostles.
One person could NOT have put all those ideas together by himself WITHOUT the help from others.... MANY of the early workers had knowlege of the Scriptures from their previous denomination.
The Holy Spirit was given many of the workers, the friends revelation how the New Testament church operates.
As CD pointed out! it was truly amazing! 200 workers from 1899-1905. It was a miracle indeed.Yes it was a team effort, under the direction of the founder of the mission, William Irvine.
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Feb 11, 2009 22:19:05 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 22:19:05 GMT -5
Someone could build a company of this size in 6 years with the appropriate amount of capital. However, this is nothing like that. This is not only a totally volunteer group, but they also gave up all their possessions and other engagements in life to do this. Nothing short of amazing......... I find this no more amazing than the growth of the early church in the first century. Such miracles have occurred multiple times throughout the ages. Mormanism is truly amazing to me. Yes, it rivals the growth of the 1st century church until it took some wrong turns into secularlism. I'm pretty impressed with the Mormons too. 2x2 success flamed out fairly early, but the Mormons were able to sustain it over a much longer period of time.
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Feb 11, 2009 22:21:10 GMT -5
Post by ClayRandall on Feb 11, 2009 22:21:10 GMT -5
Yes, it does leave the founder question open and is a partial answer. I personally see no problem with that, as the 'founder' issue is a highly contentious one. Whereas I can't see anyone being able to disagree with the statement that Irvine was the first leader of the movement. It also admits fully of all the known historical facts about the group. "What", You and I have talked privately and I can tell that you are a thoughtful and reasonable man. So, you know that when I use the term "2x2" it's just for convenience (in other words, not in a perjorative sense). You also know that, as a Catholic, I accept 2x2s as Christians. With that out of the way, here's the question: If Irvine was the first leader of the movement but not the founder, where was this movement before Irvine? All the evidence provided by Cherie and others support very strongly the argument that this particular movement did not exist until William Irvine came along. I say this with confidence after evaluating Nathan Barker's clumsy attempts to prove apostolic succession. The 2x2 movement did not exist until Irvine in the same way that the Declaration of Independence did not exist until the "Founding Fathers" of America created it. Did these American founding fathers create it ex nihilo? Of course not, they constructed it using established concepts of democracy and government, but the U.S "movement", if you will, began with them. What do you think about this line of argument? Clay
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Feb 11, 2009 22:22:11 GMT -5
Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Feb 11, 2009 22:22:11 GMT -5
Well, I trust we have settled the issue. There is next to no chance that Irvine was a "finder" not a "founder", though it the "finder" theory remains more likely than that Jesus was born of a virgin, unless God is involved in either miracle.
It still seems very clear to me that the "founder" proponents are stating clearly that God was not involved, but the "finder" proponents insist it was God's doing. I mean, that's what this whole debate is about, isn't it? Why not just come out and say it? "Hey, you misled f&w idiots, God isn't gonna do miracles for you, only for ME."
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Feb 11, 2009 22:23:21 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 22:23:21 GMT -5
~~~ Thanks, CD.... ;D
According to George Walker's testimony, William Irivine, Edward Cooney, and with the help of other workers and the friends.... It seems it was a TEAM effort in RETURN to the METHODS (New Testament church and apostolic ministry) and teachings taught and CARRIED out by Christ and His apostles.
One person could NOT have put all those ideas together by himself WITHOUT the help from others.... MANY of the early workers had knowlege of the Scriptures from their previous denomination.
The Holy Spirit was given many of the workers, the friends revelation how the New Testament church operates.
As CD pointed out! it was truly amazing! 200 workers from 1899-1905. It was a miracle indeed. 200 converts in 6 years as all who professed in those early years all became workers. Billy Graham has more converts in one meeting than that. Seems like women did not work those days outside of house keeping jobs so the work might not have been such a bad option. How many were women? How many of these continued for their lifetime and how many dropped out of the work? Many have attempted to return to the Scriptures, many Churches are started this way which is not unique to WI. Do you mean George Walker was trying to hide his sins, emy? What kind of sins was George trying to hide? Whow, hold it believer. Remember, the meeting system was established in 1902, and this was the 1905 workers list. It was only until 1902 that you either went into the work.......or you attended the church of your choice. What occurred between 1901 and 1905 is nothing short of amazing when you really picture what was going on.
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Feb 11, 2009 22:25:52 GMT -5
Post by Happy Feet on Feb 11, 2009 22:25:52 GMT -5
I think William Irvine may have had delusions of grandeur from the beginning when he started preaching that all churches were wrong, playing with women, jumping out the back window after preaching etc.
Nathan, many Churches are started by someone claiming to try and get back to the Bible.
I doubt if getting converts to sell everything and give Irvine the money was getting back to the Bible. Most today still give their money to the work rather than the poor as they preach.
It says 1899 - 1905 clearday - don't know where you got 1902 from?
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Feb 11, 2009 22:31:55 GMT -5
Post by ilylo on Feb 11, 2009 22:31:55 GMT -5
I was thinking tonight about this great debate that is raging about WI.I think the debate is very murky and the reason is, there are two sides to a church. There is the natural side or the human side. This side of the church has an originator here on earth. It has organization,structure,and a body. We could say this is where WI and those early men fit in. They brought origin. The organization,structure and body has changed many times through the years. This can be documented and explained with history. That's not all bad.Then there is the spiritual side of the church. This is what the church brings into the lives of the people. A relationship with God. This is a separate subject and is not as much documented because it is a personal subject. Each persons experience is different. This also is an indication of the effectiveness of the church ...which could be said for any church, lin. The 2x2 church is nothing special.
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Feb 11, 2009 22:32:06 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 22:32:06 GMT -5
Well, I trust we have settled the issue. There is next to no chance that Irvine was a "finder" not a "founder", though it the "finder" theory remains more likely than that Jesus was born of a virgin, unless God is involved in either miracle. It still seems very clear to me that the "founder" proponents are stating clearly that God was not involved, but the "finder" proponents insist it was God's doing. I mean, that's what this whole debate is about, isn't it? Why not just come out and say it? "Hey, you misled f&w idiots, God isn't gonna do miracles for you, only for ME." You bring out an interesting point DC. "Founder" means no God involved, "Finder" means God involved. I think this is a genuine concern amongst F&Ws. However, it is a baseless worry. Many activities in the history of mankind were founded with the involvement of God, as we believe. WI's founding of the mission which involved Wilson McClung, George Walker and Jack Carroll does not eliminate the involvement of God. Not by a long shot.......
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Feb 11, 2009 22:33:28 GMT -5
Post by ilylo on Feb 11, 2009 22:33:28 GMT -5
Well, I trust we have settled the issue. There is next to no chance that Irvine was a "finder" not a "founder", though it the "finder" theory remains more likely than that Jesus was born of a virgin, unless God is involved in either miracle. It still seems very clear to me that the "founder" proponents are stating clearly that God was not involved, but the "finder" proponents insist it was God's doing. I mean, that's what this whole debate is about, isn't it? Why not just come out and say it? "Hey, you misled f&w idiots, God isn't gonna do miracles for you, only for ME." And thus, dietcoke screams out for relevance, and for anyone to listen to his pointless drivel.
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Feb 11, 2009 22:35:06 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 22:35:06 GMT -5
I think William Irvine may have had delusions of grandeur from the beginning when he started preaching that all churches were wrong, playing with women, jumping out the back window after preaching etc. Nathan, many Churches are started by someone claiming to try and get back to the Bible. I doubt if getting converts to sell everything and give Irvine the money was getting back to the Bible. Most today still give their money to the work rather than the poor as they preach. It says 1899 - 1905 clearday - don't know where you got 1902 from? 1902 is when meetings in the home were established. If you look closely at the list, you will see that the real growth in workers occurred between 1901 and 1905. Someone should crunch some numbers and do a bar graph on this.
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