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Post by déjà vu on Nov 18, 2010 17:06:34 GMT -5
Subject: HAS THE CHURCH WITH NO NAME FINALLY TAKEN A NAME?
The following advertisement appeared in the Church Notices of Tyrone Constitution, a Northern Ireland provincial weekly newspaper:
Are you feeling tired of life,
Depressed or disappointed
With religion? If so…
COME TO OUR
BIBLE SERVICES
Now being held in
Blacksessiagh Orange Hall
Lough Muck Road
Omagh
Every Sunday
7.00pm – 8pm
Services are being conducted by
THE PRESENT DAY
2 BY 2 APOSTLES (St Luke’s Gospel 10 verse 1)
We have a message from
God for you – All welcome
Tel: 07592123485
T. Gamble
H. McKnight
Since Tommie Gamble is acknowledged as the head worker in Ireland it would appear that the 2by2 appellation is an acceptable designation. I also find it interesting that they refer to Luke’s Gospel as St Luke’s since nowhere in Scripture do we find the Gospel writers using this title and was one that was post early church and very much a Roman Catholic designation.
Is there any other evidence of the usage of this or any other name in advertisements?
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Post by samantha on Nov 18, 2010 17:57:06 GMT -5
The workers would never refer to The Gospel of Luke as Saint Luke. That is the giveaway. The slip up! Who has tried ringing that number? It is most likely false as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 18:21:41 GMT -5
The workers would never refer to The Gospel of Luke as Saint Luke. That is the giveaway. The slip up! Who has tried ringing that number? It is most likely false as well. I agree, it looks like a hoax to me.
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Post by sharonw on Nov 18, 2010 18:55:03 GMT -5
Doesn't the KJV say "St. Luke"?
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Post by emy on Nov 18, 2010 19:27:49 GMT -5
Doesn't the KJV say "St. Luke"? Yes
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 19:28:44 GMT -5
I agree, it looks like a hoax to me. Hmm. The phone number has the correct amount of digits for the network; it is a legitimate newspaper; it would correspond to the field that TG and HM are in at the moment. Other than that, I don't know.. To ring that number, use the prefix 0044 and drop the first 0 in the number. It should start: 004475... blankets Okay, so who volunteers to call? ?
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Post by Gene on Nov 18, 2010 20:06:30 GMT -5
I agree, it looks like a hoax to me. Hmm. The phone number has the correct amount of digits for the network; it is a legitimate newspaper; it would correspond to the field that TG and HM are in at the moment. Other than that, I don't know.. To ring that number, use the prefix 0044 and drop the first 0 in the number. It should start: 004475... blankets From the USA, dial 011 44 759 212 34 85
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Post by Gene on Nov 19, 2010 5:40:48 GMT -5
Can someone provide the date this was published, and better yet, a scan?
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Post by melissa on Nov 19, 2010 5:47:21 GMT -5
Is there really a place called Lough Muck Could be.
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Post by kencoolidge on Nov 19, 2010 6:17:43 GMT -5
Meetings as an antidote to depression? Sam For some it has been the cause ken
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Post by CherieKropp on Nov 19, 2010 8:36:04 GMT -5
Can someone provide the date this was published, and better yet, a scan? "Have patient," Gene!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 8:48:20 GMT -5
Can someone provide the date this was published, and better yet, a scan? "Have patient," Gene! I understand that the ad is real (or unreal depending on your POV), but it is currently being checked out for accuracy with the OP.
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Post by rational on Nov 19, 2010 9:04:39 GMT -5
I agree, it looks like a hoax to me. Hmm. The phone number has the correct amount of digits for the network; it is a legitimate newspaper; it would correspond to the field that TG and HM are in at the moment. Other than that, I don't know.. To ring that number, use the prefix 0044 and drop the first 0 in the number. It should start: 004475... blankets Numbers starting with 07592 1 are allocated to Telefonica O2 (UK) Limited. Designated for mobile use. You can call and at least leave a message.
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Post by sharonw on Nov 19, 2010 9:22:37 GMT -5
Emy verified that the KJV says "St. Luke", so it is not unreasonable that any one preparing an advertisement would most likely recite the bible's statements...so the truth of the study is verifiable. I don't believe it is a hoax for that reason. I know workers often are more formal for such things and nothing wrong with that.
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Nov 19, 2010 9:28:29 GMT -5
Meetings as an antidote to depression? Sam For some it has been the cause ken For some just life in general.
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Post by sharonw on Nov 19, 2010 9:36:25 GMT -5
Sam For some it has been the cause ken For some just life in general. This can be very true...but ONLY if those present are alive in Christ!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 10:00:20 GMT -5
Confirmed: the ad is accurate as posted on the OP.
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Post by Claire on Nov 19, 2010 10:20:43 GMT -5
Is there really a place called Lough Muck Could be. there's a Lough Muck in co donegal. google has this one (near Omagh) as "loughmuck road". looks splendidly bucolic on streetview
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Post by irvinegrey on Nov 19, 2010 13:14:28 GMT -5
Advertisements from the Tyrone Constitution attached. These appeared on at least two consecutive weeks 28th October and 4th November. Lough Muck Road is in Omagh Co Tyrone. Attachments:
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Post by popcorn on Nov 19, 2010 14:10:20 GMT -5
Never heard workers calling themselves apostles. Still sounds like a hoax to me!
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Post by alexander on Nov 19, 2010 14:16:48 GMT -5
From the advertisement: "Present Day 2x2 Apostles"
I like it! Finally, some workers that aren't publicly afraid to tell it like it is- and that is that they believe that they are present day apostles.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 14:19:38 GMT -5
From the advertisement: "Present Day 2x2 Apostles" I like it! Finally, some workers that aren't publicly afraid to tell it like it is- and that is that they believe that they are present day apostles. Yes, you have to give Tommie credit for saying what he believes. He even believes he has the words to cure depression! Whoa, now that's a great deal!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 15:38:42 GMT -5
Never heard workers calling themselves apostles. Still sounds like a hoax to me! Well, does anyone who posts here plan on going? It'd be a little too far for me unless someone wants to ante up for the plane ticket--and I'd need to leave about now. It sounds like no one has called the number...Popcorn, how about you?
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Post by alexander on Nov 19, 2010 16:16:20 GMT -5
From the advertisement: "Present Day 2x2 Apostles" I like it! Finally, some workers that aren't publicly afraid to tell it like it is- and that is that they believe that they are present day apostles. Yes, you have to give Tommie credit for saying what he believes. He even believes he has the words to cure depression! Whoa, now that's a great deal! So how does a worker that gets depression cure himself? Go to another worker's gospel meetings?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 16:47:19 GMT -5
Yes, you have to give Tommie credit for saying what he believes. He even believes he has the words to cure depression! Whoa, now that's a great deal! So how does a worker that gets depression cure himself? Go to another worker's gospel meetings? It's really quite ludicrous to suggest that he can cure depression with his preaching. First of all, there are many professing people who suffer from depression and it has nothing to do with meetings, God, or godlessness. Clinical depression is a serious illness and is only mitigated or exacerbated by experiences, beliefs and relationships, not caused or cured by those things. The pitfall of suggesting that his preaching will cure depression is that now all professing people in his jurisdiction who suffer from depression will be viewed as lacking God and that in turn will cause them to suffer their depression in silence and darkness. At best Tommie might have a sermon or two that will mitigate the symptoms of depression for a brief time. Good positive thinking helps. However, I doubt that one of his famous rousing dress code sermons will lift anyone out of a depression but rather sink them further into it.
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Post by CherieKropp on Nov 19, 2010 16:56:35 GMT -5
From the advertisement: "Present Day 2x2 Apostles" I like it! Finally, some workers that aren't publicly afraid to tell it like it is- and that is that they believe that they are present day apostles. Leslie White told an outsider that the workers called themselves "apostles" the other day...
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Post by blankets on Nov 19, 2010 16:59:54 GMT -5
So how does a worker that gets depression cure himself? Go to another worker's gospel meetings? It's really quite ludicrous to suggest that he can cure depression with his preaching. First of all, there are many professing people who suffer from depression and it has nothing to do with meetings, God, or godlessness. Clinical depression is a serious illness and is only mitigated or exacerbated by experiences, beliefs and relationships, not caused or cured by those things. The pitfall of suggesting that his preaching will cure depression is that now all professing people in his jurisdiction who suffer from depression will be viewed as lacking God and that in turn will cause them to suffer their depression in silence and darkness. At best Tommie might have a sermon or two that will mitigate the symptoms of depression for a brief time. Good positive thinking helps. However, I doubt that one of his famous rousing dress code sermons will lift anyone out of a depression but rather sink them further into it. Actually, one can feel depressed without having clinical depression. The words "feeling depressed" don't particularly mean that the person is suffering from clinical depressed. Ever 'felt down'? Ever been 'in low spirits'? Ever 'felt depressed'? We all have. But that doesn't constitute clinical depression. Definition of DEPRESSED (from Merriam-Webster) 1 : low in spirits : sad; especially [but not only]: affected by psychological depression *words in parentheses inserted by me* We see many examples of people in the Bible who were feeling down, low, depressed but their spirit's were lifted by God. Is this not still so in our day? I don't speak of clinical depression; it's widely understood that that is a different issue. But to the person that is feeling down/depressed because of a lack of God in their life, God can help. His word can help. His Gospel can help. And for this we are eternally glad. blankets
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Post by sharonw on Nov 19, 2010 17:00:04 GMT -5
From the advertisement: "Present Day 2x2 Apostles" I like it! Finally, some workers that aren't publicly afraid to tell it like it is- and that is that they believe that they are present day apostles. Leslie White told an outsider that the workers called themselves "apostles" the other day... I find that very believable...LW has said that many times when I've heard him preach.
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