aurora
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Sept 29, 2008 23:41:14 GMT -5
Post by aurora on Sept 29, 2008 23:41:14 GMT -5
aurora, In regards to abuse: Then why aren't your people over here preaching that message to my people? The abuse is still continuing. The victims are still not telling. The lead workers are still covering it up and excusing it for the sake of keeping followers in their meetings even though there may be other workers quoting you. Nothing is being done from inside the 2x2. It's not being dealt with at all here by people inside the 2x2.I believe your experience is as you have told us here. I can say that without a doubt there ARE some workers who are dealing with abuse as they become aware of it. The internet has brought about much more openness and understanding of the scope of the problem, and it will be hard for workers to be moved around without word getting out. There ARE also some members of the truth fellowship that have taken an active role in helping make sure that the overseers deal with these issues. I have been in contact with several of the 'regular' professing folks that have been contacting their overseers and asking for accountability for both past and present abuse that they know about. Just so you know, there are those of us here who believe what you have shared here, and that includes many who are in the truth fellowship. There is no excuse for anyone who covers up the abuse that you have suffered, no matter whether that cover up is from family or members of the fellowship. I can guarantee you that Gem is one of those people who believe you, and I want you to know that she is one of those who are aware of abuse which has occurred and would do what she could to help you if that was in her power. There is a another board titled Breaking the Silence which is a place where you could share your story with others who have also suffered abuse. This is a registered members only board, and only viewable by approved registered members. Within the board there is also another password protected area where abuse survivors can open up to other abuse survivors and get help in healing and 'venting' out of the public view. There are several members of the TMB who are registered there. You are welcome to register and join that board. I am one of the administrators there, and I know that you would be approved to join. wingsbts.proboards52.com/index.cgi?action=logoutScott I'm sorry, Scott! I didn't realize I could not post about abuse on this board. My posts are deleted. Thank you!
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Sept 29, 2008 23:59:52 GMT -5
Post by BaPa on Sept 29, 2008 23:59:52 GMT -5
Nathan, I'm going to give you a little hand here. Perhaps full context is in order.
MSG version Mat 10:1 The prayer was no sooner prayed than it was answered. Jesus called twelve of his followers and sent them into the ripe fields. He gave them power to kick out the evil spirits and to tenderly care for the bruised and hurt lives. Mat 10:2 This is the list of the twelve he sent: Simon (they called him Peter, or "Rock"), Andrew, his brother, James, Zebedee's son, John, his brother, Mat 10:3 Philip, Bartholomew, Thomas, Matthew, the tax man, James, son of Alphaeus, Thaddaeus, Mat 10:4 Simon, the Canaanite, Judas Iscariot (who later turned on him). Mat 10:5 Jesus sent his twelve harvest hands out with this charge: "Don't begin by traveling to some far-off place to convert unbelievers. And don't try to be dramatic by tackling some public enemy. Mat 10:6 Go to the lost, confused people right here in the neighborhood. Mat 10:7 Tell them that the kingdom is here. Mat 10:8 Bring health to the sick. Raise the dead. Touch the untouchables. Kick out the demons. You have been treated generously, so live generously. Mat 10:9 "Don't think you have to put on a fund-raising campaign before you start. Mat 10:10 You don't need a lot of equipment. You are the equipment, and all you need to keep that going is three meals a day. Travel light. Mat 10:11 "When you enter a town or village, don't insist on staying in a luxury inn. Get a modest place with some modest people, and be content there until you leave. Mat 10:12 "When you knock on a door, be courteous in your greeting. Mat 10:13 If they welcome you, be gentle in your conversation. Mat 10:14 If they don't welcome you, quietly withdraw. Don't make a scene. Shrug your shoulders and be on your way. Mat 10:15 You can be sure that on Judgment Day they'll be mighty sorry--but it's no concern of yours now. Mat 10:16 "Stay alert. This is hazardous work I'm assigning you. You're going to be like sheep running through a wolf pack, so don't call attention to yourselves. Be as cunning as a snake, inoffensive as a dove. Mat 10:17 "Don't be naive. Some people will impugn your motives, others will smear your reputation--just because you believe in me. Mat 10:18 Don't be upset when they haul you before the civil authorities. Without knowing it, they've done you--and me--a favor, given you a platform for preaching the kingdom news! Mat 10:19 And don't worry about what you'll say or how you'll say it. The right words will be there; Mat 10:20 the Spirit of your Father will supply the words. Mat 10:21 "When people realize it is the living God you are presenting and not some idol that makes them feel good, they are going to turn on you, even people in your own family. Mat 10:22 There is a great irony here: proclaiming so much love, experiencing so much hate! But don't quit. Don't cave in. It is all well worth it in the end. Mat 10:23 It is not success you are after in such times but survival. Be survivors! Before you've run out of options, the Son of Man will have arrived. Mat 10:24 "A student doesn't get a better desk than her teacher. A laborer doesn't make more money than his boss. Mat 10:25 Be content--pleased, even--when you, my students, my harvest hands, get the same treatment I get. If they call me, the Master, 'Dungface,' what can the workers expect? Mat 10:26 "Don't be intimidated. Eventually everything is going to be out in the open, and everyone will know how things really are. Mat 10:27 So don't hesitate to go public now. Mat 10:28 "Don't be bluffed into silence by the threats of bullies. There's nothing they can do to your soul, your core being. Save your fear for God, who holds your entire life--body and soul--in his hands. Mat 10:29 "What's the price of a pet canary? Some loose change, right? And God cares what happens to it even more than you do. Mat 10:30 He pays even greater attention to you, down to the last detail--even numbering the hairs on your head! Mat 10:31 So don't be intimidated by all this bully talk. You're worth more than a million canaries. Mat 10:32 "Stand up for me against world opinion and I'll stand up for you before my Father in heaven. Mat 10:33 If you turn tail and run, do you think I'll cover for you? Mat 10:34 "Don't think I've come to make life cozy. I've come to cut-- Mat 10:35 make a sharp knife-cut between son and father, daughter and mother, bride and mother-in-law--cut through these cozy domestic arrangements and free you for God. Mat 10:36 Well-meaning family members can be your worst enemies. Mat 10:37 If you prefer father or mother over me, you don't deserve me. If you prefer son or daughter over me, you don't deserve me. Mat 10:38 "If you don't go all the way with me, through thick and thin, you don't deserve me. Mat 10:39 If your first concern is to look after yourself, you'll never find yourself. But if you forget about yourself and look to me, you'll find both yourself and me. Mat 10:40 "We are intimately linked in this harvest work. Anyone who accepts what you do, accepts me, the One who sent you. Anyone who accepts what I do accepts my Father, who sent me. Mat 10:41 Accepting a messenger of God is as good as being God's messenger. Accepting someone's help is as good as giving someone help. This is a large work I've called you into, but don't be overwhelmed by it. It's best to start small. Mat 10:42 Give a cool cup of water to someone who is thirsty, for instance. The smallest act of giving or receiving makes you a true apprentice. You won't lose out on a thing."
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Sept 30, 2008 0:28:47 GMT -5
Post by someguy on Sept 30, 2008 0:28:47 GMT -5
Some people's faults are visible and some people's faults are hidden. Forgiveness is between God and an individual. CA Careful you don't go saying things don't happen when there is documented evidence it does. Saying workers don't abuse people is just foolishness. There are examples that they have and ilylo pointed that out. We know all workers don't abuse and most likely very few do and no one is claiming they all do, but the fact remains workers have, so, claiming otherwise is rather pathetic.
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Sept 30, 2008 6:21:26 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on Sept 30, 2008 6:21:26 GMT -5
Some people's faults are visible and some people's faults are hidden. Forgiveness is between God and an individual. CA Careful you don't go saying things don't happen when there is documented evidence it does. Saying workers don't abuse people is just foolishness. There are examples that they have and ilylo pointed that out. We know all workers don't abuse and most likely very few do and no one is claiming they all do, but the fact remains workers have, so, claiming otherwise is rather pathetic. Also, sad to say, there are a few Friends who have murdered others and some F&W who have been murdered. I have names and newspaper articles supporting this. Likely, you'll say they weren't really one of the friends--however they were REALLY professing and speaking in meetings at the time they murdered someone.
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Sept 30, 2008 6:25:44 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on Sept 30, 2008 6:25:44 GMT -5
Aurora - Scott didn't mean you couldnt post here about CSA-- just that the WINGS board is far more supportive and understanding of the type abuse you have suffered. You dont get the flack you do here when you write the same thing over there. Over there you're telling the choir!
I sure am sorry you pulled your post on all those reasons people dont go to the authorities. Could you repost them on WINGS? Or here? or send to me in a PM? They were excellent and obviously written by someone who "has been there." The world (potential CSA victims) need to know them so they can recognize them for what they are when they are given to them.
Hang in there. Many of us really care about you
Cherie
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Sept 30, 2008 6:44:41 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on Sept 30, 2008 6:44:41 GMT -5
The bottom line is that I was raised with the belief that "the truth" was the only way. The only road to eternal life. If that is the case, and you get excommunicated, you are spiritual toast. It is tantamount to saying a worker has control over your salvation. I don't think so.... Were you excommunicated? I do not think so. Excommunication is for trouble makers. Like a vandal kicked out of a shopping center, the owners of the facilities have a right to remove the problem. Same in Truth, extreme examples, trouble makers are asked to leave for the protection of those they may end up harming. Do not blame spiritual toast on excommunication, blame it on the trouble maker. The workers are not in charge of your salvation. They are messengers, servants, handmaidens. CA: Were all those in the 21 churches or so in Alberta that were closed down "troublemakers?" Some only associated with some who were excommunicated. Some were excommunicated for refusing to say they upheld the workers in everything they said. Have you listened to the audio clip where some were asked a questions and given the ax when they were begging for time to pray about the matter? Audio Clip: www.anotherstep.net/realfiles/Testimonies of the excommunicated in Alberta: thelyingtruth.info/?f=exc&id=alberta
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Sept 30, 2008 6:46:31 GMT -5
Post by bandtroll on Sept 30, 2008 6:46:31 GMT -5
aurora, In regards to abuse: Then why aren't your people over here preaching that message to my people? The abuse is still continuing. The victims are still not telling. The lead workers are still covering it up and excusing it for the sake of keeping followers in their meetings even though there may be other workers quoting you. Nothing is being done from inside the 2x2. It's not being dealt with at all here by people inside the 2x2.I believe your experience is as you have told us here. I can say that without a doubt there ARE some workers who are dealing with abuse as they become aware of it. The internet has brought about much more openness and understanding of the scope of the problem, and it will be hard for workers to be moved around without word getting out. There ARE also some members of the truth fellowship that have taken an active role in helping make sure that the overseers deal with these issues. I have been in contact with several of the 'regular' professing folks that have been contacting their overseers and asking for accountability for both past and present abuse that they know about. Just so you know, there are those of us here who believe what you have shared here, and that includes many who are in the truth fellowship. There is no excuse for anyone who covers up the abuse that you have suffered, no matter whether that cover up is from family or members of the fellowship. I can guarantee you that Gem is one of those people who believe you, and I want you to know that she is one of those who are aware of abuse which has occurred and would do what she could to help you if that was in her power. There is a another board titled Breaking the Silence which is a place where you could share your story with others who have also suffered abuse. This is a registered members only board, and only viewable by approved registered members. Within the board there is also another password protected area where abuse survivors can open up to other abuse survivors and get help in healing and 'venting' out of the public view. There are several members of the TMB who are registered there. You are welcome to register and join that board. I am one of the administrators there, and I know that you would be approved to join. wingsbts.proboards52.com/index.cgi?action=logoutScott I'm sorry, Scott! I didn't realize I could not post about abuse on this board. My posts are deleted. Thank you! I have re-read Scott's post a couple of times and can not see where he said you couldn't post about abuse here. IMO If you want HELP, post and work with those on the other board. If you want to GET THE MESSAGE out, (re-) post here on the TMB. Just by re-reading this thread you will see that there are those that still do not accept/believe that abuse is happening. Most of the people reading this board will never see the stories on the other board. And not every story 'hit's home' with everyone. Maybe your story will hit home with someone who hasn't gotten the message yet. And maybe not even with those you know, but they may finally decide to act on 'other situations they know of.'
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Sept 30, 2008 6:51:24 GMT -5
Post by bandtroll on Sept 30, 2008 6:51:24 GMT -5
Also, sad to say, there are a handful of friends who have murdered others. I can PM you names if you like. I have the newspaper articles. Of course, you'll say they weren't really one of the friends--however they were REALLY professing and speaking in meetings at the time they murdered someone. I was not aware that any 'current' members had commited murder, but was aware of the B&R persons story who was posted here recently. I do think I had heard about every other kind of crime being commited by 2x2's.
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Sept 30, 2008 6:52:53 GMT -5
Post by kencoolidge on Sept 30, 2008 6:52:53 GMT -5
Chosen Apostle wrote
Like a vandal kicked out of a shopping center, the owners of the facilities have a right to remove the problem. Same in Truth, extreme examples, trouble makers are asked to leave for the protection of those they may end up harming.
Lets say that they are defined as trouble makers by those that need correction. Sorta like Paul being called a trouble maker by the Pharissees of his day. I do believe we have a large remnant of Pharisees today in the religious world. I am glad that God knows those that are His and it won't be decided by man.
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Sept 30, 2008 7:03:04 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on Sept 30, 2008 7:03:04 GMT -5
Also, sad to say, there are a handful of friends who have murdered others. I can PM you names if you like. I have the newspaper articles. Of course, you'll say they weren't really one of the friends--however they were REALLY professing and speaking in meetings at the time they murdered someone. I was not aware that any 'current' members had commited murder, but was aware of the B&R persons story who was posted here recently. I do think I had heard about every other kind of crime being commited by 2x2's. Google: delpha spunaugle - I went to the funeral of the man she murdered in Oklahoma City. www.wetv.com/women-behind-bars/episodes/delpha-spunaugle-carmen-ortiz
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Sept 30, 2008 7:57:03 GMT -5
Post by peridot on Sept 30, 2008 7:57:03 GMT -5
[Some people's faults are visible and some people's faults are hidden. Forgiveness is between God and an individual. Everyone's faults are visible to God, none are unnoticed by Him. The phrase "Nothing matters but salvation" has been interpreted by some to mean "nothing matters except what is between me and God. Nothing matters but our head (God) and our feet (ourselves) , right? When you bathe do you just bathe your head and feet? Jesus taught that the whole body in Christ is very important....And forgive our debts, as we forgive our debtors...for if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you....But if ye forgive not men their tresspasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Love thy neighbor as thyself... Jesus taught forgiveness was very important between each one of us; it's not just left between the individual and God.
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Sept 30, 2008 10:05:11 GMT -5
Post by Jim Niles on Sept 30, 2008 10:05:11 GMT -5
A cult is an organization which systematically uses brainwashing or mind control process to change the way its individual members think, in order to subvert their free will and restrict their independent judgement, which alleges to manipulate its members. The aim is to undermine members own self reliance so that they gradually come to place more trust in the insights of the group leadership than in their own judgement. A cult is not necessarily harmful. The whole area of cults and mind control is difficult and contentious. Cults themselves are usually opaque to outside scrutiny. Does this describe the 2X2 religion and their overseer's? Good Morning Cheechette, You have best defined the 2x2's in this short message you wrote. I like you know the capeabilities of these people and it shows in the writings of those still following them on these boards. Sad. i really wonder if some of these mind controled people would even see abuse if it happened before them? Thanks for posting facts, Jim
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Sept 30, 2008 10:09:40 GMT -5
Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Sept 30, 2008 10:09:40 GMT -5
lol, Jim, I trust you see this describes your own church as well. Honestly, you seem to me as brainwashed as any of my friends in the f&w's.
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Sept 30, 2008 10:17:55 GMT -5
Post by Jim Niles on Sept 30, 2008 10:17:55 GMT -5
lol, Jim, I trust you see this describes your own church as well. Honestly, you seem to me as brainwashed as any of my friends in the f&w's. You keep talking about my church. We do not yet attend a church for some of the same reasons we left the 2x2 sect. I agree with you that other religions do some of the same practices. That is why we have not allowed ourselves to be sucked in to another mess. We worship with our family and another family at times that also left. I would appreciate you not assuming you know something about me or my family without getting details first. Jim
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Sept 30, 2008 11:24:33 GMT -5
Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Sept 30, 2008 11:24:33 GMT -5
I would appreciate you not assuming you know something about me or my family without getting details first. Jim ok, sorry. But, Jim, I don't know what your experience was with the f&w's that turned you off so badly...yet you are badly mistaken if you feel everyone shares those feelings. When you say "everyone that matters knows it is a cult", I assume you mean the slim populace of disgruntled former members who have some kind of beef with somebody in the f&w's and switched religions to some other brand of Christianity, refusing to acknowledge that they remain just as brainwashed into believing in God without evidence. Some of these people go so far as to say God "led" them from one set of impossible beliefs to another! And then some--like you--laughingly say the f&w's "don't even know they're brainwashed." religion is religion, Jim. If you haven't, yet, I'd encourage you to study several more outside of Christianity, and find the common good. It's o.k. to be brainwashed I guess, but not helpful at all to pretend someone else is and you're not.
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Sept 30, 2008 11:26:37 GMT -5
Post by bandtroll on Sept 30, 2008 11:26:37 GMT -5
I was not aware that any 'current' members had commited murder, but was aware of the B&R persons story who was posted here recently. I do think I had heard about every other kind of crime being commited by 2x2's. Google: delpha spunaugle - I went to the funeral of the man she murdered in Oklahoma City. www.wetv.com/women-behind-bars/episodes/delpha-spunaugle-carmen-ortiz had made two attempts to solicit help in murdering her fourth husbandFourth husband, and she was a 2x2?
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Sept 30, 2008 11:43:09 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on Sept 30, 2008 11:43:09 GMT -5
had made two attempts to solicit help in murdering her fourth husbandFourth husband, and she was a 2x2? She married a professing man from a long-time professing highly respectable family and she professed about that time. She had been professing for about 10 years when this happened. (His brother owns the rest home workers use in Guthrie, OK)
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Sept 30, 2008 11:55:28 GMT -5
Post by Jim Niles on Sept 30, 2008 11:55:28 GMT -5
I would appreciate you not assuming you know something about me or my family without getting details first. Jim ok, sorry. But, Jim, I don't know what your experience was with the f&w's that turned you off so badly...yet you are badly mistaken if you feel everyone shares those feelings. When you say "everyone that matters knows it is a cult", I assume you mean the slim populace of disgruntled former members who have some kind of beef with somebody in the f&w's and switched religions to some other brand of Christianity, refusing to acknowledge that they remain just as brainwashed into believing in God without evidence. Some of these people go so far as to say God "led" them from one set of impossible beliefs to another! And then some--like you--laughingly say the f&w's "don't even know they're brainwashed." religion is religion, Jim. If you haven't, yet, I'd encourage you to study several more outside of Christianity, and find the common good. It's o.k. to be brainwashed I guess, but not helpful at all to pretend someone else is and you're not. dietcoke, My experience with the 2x2's can be found throughout the many pages of threads on here. i shared the same area with Zorro, Sojourner, Spiderman, and some un-registered members, By saying everyone that matters, I am refering to all those, and the list is a great one that has had tough dealings with the 2x2 sect. I do not believe there are different "brands" of Christianity. Only one, and that is with God. There are different names given to various groups that share similar views on who they perceive God works. I have been studying different aspects and frankly have not yet found one that provides true meaning like the Bible itself does. Jim
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Sept 30, 2008 12:03:25 GMT -5
Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Sept 30, 2008 12:03:25 GMT -5
Yay! Your last post was inspiring, Jim! Lord knows, we have lots of cults to choose from, and maybe you're right that we don't need to choose, even though the social aspect of finding others of a similar brainwashed bent is nice.
Yes, many have had tough dealings with the f&w sect, particularly the "iowa" brand of f&w's. No argument about that. Many others are happily enjoying life, greatly appreciating the benefits of the f&w way, and I hope you're happy for them. One size doesn't fit all.
"Back to the Bible" is a great philosophy. I confess, though, that I think it's best to throw away the first half of the bible and the last book. Jesus is the focus most helpful.
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Sept 30, 2008 12:16:19 GMT -5
Post by H.A.S. on Sept 30, 2008 12:16:19 GMT -5
It's o.k. to be brainwashed I guess, but not helpful at all to pretend someone else is and you're not. Wait a second... It's never OK to be brainwashed. It's also not helpful to pretend that everyone else is brainwashed either. Seems to me like you're trying to justify staying in a church you have personally determined to be a cult. Are you really trying to tell us that it's OK to be a part of the 2x2 cult because everyone else is in a cult too?
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Sept 30, 2008 12:20:15 GMT -5
Post by H.A.S. on Sept 30, 2008 12:20:15 GMT -5
Chosen Apostle wrote Like a vandal kicked out of a shopping center, the owners of the facilities have a right to remove the problem. Same in Truth, extreme examples, trouble makers are asked to leave for the protection of those they may end up harming.Lets say that they are defined as trouble makers by those that need correction. Sorta like Paul being called a trouble maker by the Pharissees of his day. I do believe we have a large remnant of Pharisees today in the religious world. I am glad that God knows those that are His and it won't be decided by man. Took the words right out of my mouth! I couldn't agree more.
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Sept 30, 2008 12:21:46 GMT -5
Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Sept 30, 2008 12:21:46 GMT -5
O.K. to be in a cult? I'm telling you that everyone has different needs.
H.A.S., I think many here are trying to rip the word "brainwashed" away of its "emotionally charged" element and define what it really means, like we are trying to do with the word "cult." If you believe something because of repetitive reinforcement rather than because of evidence, that's brainwashing. Christianity would fall apart without brainwashing. Young kids can learn very little through logical reasoning, and must be brainwashed. You can't send your kids to school without them getting brainwashed.
My "church" is as much a cult as any Christian church, even a little bit more. You can pretty much measure the "cult status" of a Christian denomination by how intense its lifestyle is.
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Sept 30, 2008 13:10:03 GMT -5
Post by Jim Niles on Sept 30, 2008 13:10:03 GMT -5
Good Morning Cherie, You have best defined the 2x2's in this short message you wrote. I like you know the capeabilities of these people and it shows in the writings of those still following them on these boards. Sad. i really wonder if some of these mind controled people would even see abuse if it happened before them? Thanks for posting facts, Jim Jim – I would appreciate your making a correction to your post above. The quote you referred to did not come from me The source was "cheechette" not Cherie. I make it a practice not to entire discussions regarding cults… Thanx, Cherie Sorry, Cherie! I have edited that post. I am human!
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Sept 30, 2008 13:39:55 GMT -5
Post by Sylvestra on Sept 30, 2008 13:39:55 GMT -5
Edy and Niles, it would go a long way with me if people like you would FIRST state which cult you belong to, and which cult practices you follow, so that we could discuss the cult practices of the f&w's on even ground. I don't belong to a "cult". I am part of the body of Christ and fellowship with others in the body of Christ whenever and where ever I find them. I assist in a Christian, non-denominational mission and bible translation program that does not preach are peticular denomination or organization as being "the true right way", except Jesus and his body. Best to you, Edy
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Sept 30, 2008 13:46:37 GMT -5
Post by H.A.S. on Sept 30, 2008 13:46:37 GMT -5
O.K. to be in a cult? I'm telling you that everyone has different needs. H.A.S., I think many here are trying to rip the word "brainwashed" away of its "emotionally charged" element and define what it really means, like we are trying to do with the word "cult." I know, and I think it's a mistake. Some words are meant to be emotionally charged. If you believe something because of repetitive reinforcement rather than because of evidence, that's brainwashing. Correct Christianity would fall apart without brainwashing. Christianity would fall apart without faith. Faith is not the same thing as brainwashing. Young kids can learn very little through logical reasoning, and must be brainwashed. You can't send your kids to school without them getting brainwashed. Do you just make this up as you go along? You either don't have children, or you don't have any faith in them. My "church" is as much a cult as any Christian church, even a little bit more. You can pretty much measure the "cult status" of a Christian denomination by how intense its lifestyle is. I think I've figured out what's going on. You seem to have confused the word religion with the word cult.
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Sept 30, 2008 13:48:50 GMT -5
Post by dragonfly on Sept 30, 2008 13:48:50 GMT -5
It seems like those who have formerly been in the 2x2 way have problems going to/becoming a part of other churches. We have for so long been taught that they are worldly and wrong. I never professed, but was b&r and would consider myself well-indoctrinated. I wonder how some have overcome this and taken the plunge?
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Sept 30, 2008 13:53:11 GMT -5
Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Sept 30, 2008 13:53:11 GMT -5
I don't belong to a "cult". Of course, Edy. Neither do I. Glad we got that straightened out.
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Sept 30, 2008 13:58:11 GMT -5
Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Sept 30, 2008 13:58:11 GMT -5
I think I've figured out what's going on. You seem to have confused the word religion with the word cult. I personally hate the word "cult". I refuse to use the word until other people start throwing it around, then I refuse to turn it into an emotional mudfight, and point out instead that the mudslingers are just as brainwashed and nearly as cultish as my friends in the f&w's. Can we grow up and get rid of the stupid word?
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