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Post by ariandgabe on Oct 17, 2008 10:07:18 GMT -5
Dear Eyedeetentee, are you an ex-2X2, or still a member, because their deceitful and twisted influence is still very evident in your writing. You said; “I have seen more love in gay communities than I have ever seen in religion” shows that you have no idea of the ‘LOVE’ Jesus had for us. Gays portray a complacent love much like Mussolini showed to his own people.
As I watched this documentary on the lives of GAYS in America, and this man was fully infected by the AIDS virus yet he frequented the gay bars and solicited sex with uninfected men. On one occasion, he told this guy that he was positive for AIDS, but that did not hinder the other man (who said he was negative) from going in the back-room with him to have sex. Is THIS the kind of ‘love’ you are talking about? In your opinion, this gay partners ‘love’ for each other exceeded those ‘unfair’ and ‘harsh moral’ standards that I point out from scripture, right? Again you said: “should we trample on those who love?”
You mention Fred Phelps, and I think I’m the one referred that YouTube video and (in other POSTS) explained some opinion about them. After searching them out, (they are hard to get a hold of because of all the fame and publicity world wide) I talked to Shirley Phelps at least three times and was going to drive up to visit their church. We hit it off in the beginning, but when I realized that they did not offer people the salvation that comes after revealing their sins, (John the Baptist) I started to question their purpose.
The last time I talked to Shirley Phelps, I reminded her that; it seems to me that you are using Gods Word to make people angry, as if THAT was your SOLE purpose. I quoted scripture to her that we are to reveal the sins and NOT condemn the people, I told her that she was doing things backwards, that they were ‘condemning’ BEFORE they revealed peoples sins without giving them the opportunity to repent.
She then made a desperate attempt to justify her (her fathers) actions, but to no avail, and when she realized that she could not twist scripture with me, she simply hanged up the phone. I tried calling her many times and as soon as she knows that’s me, she hanged up.
As far as my sympathy for gays, first I chose sides as to whom I will serve, Christ or the watered down, look warm, two faced, shallow and selfish version of Christianity that we have today?
If you don’t know what I mean, then let me give you an example: Go to YouTube, look up “Joel Osteen on the gospel’ it is a CNN live News report with Larry King. After that, please post what you understood by that interview, (or IM me) with your opinion.
God bless you and let the Lords Spirit come into your heart so you may truly see.
In Jesus name: Odon
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Post by ariandgabe on Oct 17, 2008 14:17:44 GMT -5
Dear Scott, I believe that my friend Dowdy, when he said: “I believe we are fortunate because our Father wants us to succeed and He gives extra credit for effort’ was merely referring to instances in the Bible like the one; ‘man on the cross next to Jesus, who was justly being put to death for his sins, but still showed support for Christ’s unwarranted suffering when he said to the other man on the cross;
"Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong."You must agree that the man on the cross really got some ‘extra credit’ for his ‘effort’ in speaking up don’t you think? ‘And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." Luke 23:40-43
In similar way my brother in Christ Daniel Dowdy shows me support on my stand on Gods Word and as humbled and undeserving as I feel about that, I thank him with all my heart. Standing firm on Gods Holy Words is a duty, an obligation and the prerequisite to enter His Kingdom for ALL Christians. “Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.” 1 Thess 5:11
As for your statement Scott;
“If you find people ignoring your warnings, not taking you as seriously as you would like, and find that you are constantly in defense of what you have to say”
My Christian duty is to sow the ‘seed’ and it is obvious that a very few take me seriously, but that is expected, or so I’m told in scripture. As for Gene Nelson and dietcoke and many others who take what I say lightly, I leave them with this warning;
Matt 12:36-37 36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." NKJV
Me: “you will realize on Judgment day that I was the ‘only one’ that truly loved you here.” Scott: That is one of the most judgmental statements I have ever seen here on the TMB.
So you say, my Brother, but until I confronted Gene about his proud and ‘in your face’ stand on his homosexuality, everyone (in this POST, I wasn’t referring to other posts he might have been on) was having conversations with him as if he was a ‘true Christian’. No one has reminded him of the danger he was heading into. (Even he acknowledged my meaning in that he said that I felt the need to warn him from going to hell’ and said that he knew what the Bible had to say about it already.)
It was Jesus that asked me to shine the light on sin; “And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, (or POST), shake off the dust from your feet. 15 Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!” Matt 10:14-15
By saying; ‘I was the “only one” that truly loved you here’ I differentiated between the ‘love’ (Eros) and the ‘love’ (Agape) which is the one Jesus was teaching us. It is clear that most of today’s Christians confuse the two as being the one and the same thing. Look at the responses I got back and how people are raging me that why am I trying to ‘ruin’ this beautiful ‘love’ the homosexuals have for each other.
If anyone reading these posts here like what ‘Eyedeetentee’ wrote; ‘I have seen more love in gay communities than I have ever seen in religion.’ And still cannot place verses in Matt 7:3-4 its proper context; “3 and why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?” Then the verse is for you.
I NEVER said to Gene that he was a stinking ‘thief’ because I don’t know if he is or not. All I know and shine Gods light (Word) on is what I read here on these POSTS. I do not ‘condemn’, I let Gods Word do that, and if I do judge someone’s open sin, it is in hopes of revealing it so he/she might be able to repent of it. As I said it before; ‘IT IS OUR CHRISTIAN DUTY TO JUDGE WITH A RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT.’
What is Hippocratic judgment that we are NOT to do?
It is that if I was practicing homosexuality, or lying, stealing, committing adultery, cheating (any cheating even on my taxes), was greedy and would withhold help from those that ask of me even though I had the money to help, a thief, a drunkard, or a blasphemer, and would point my finger at let’s say Gene for his homosexuality and condemning him that he was going to hell for it, THAT would be wrong.
Rom 2:1-3 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. 2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. 3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?
But to tell someone who is named a brother to turn from his sin, is a righteous thing to do;
1 Cor 6:2-6 2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? 4 If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge? 5 I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren? NKJV
1 Cor 5:11-13 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner — not even to eat with such a person. 12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person." NKJV
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Post by rational on Oct 17, 2008 14:44:56 GMT -5
As I watched this documentary on the lives of GAYS in America, and this man was fully infected by the AIDS virus yet he frequented the gay bars and solicited sex with uninfected men. On one occasion, he told this guy that he was positive for AIDS, but that did not hinder the other man (who said he was negative) from going in the back-room with him to have sex. Is THIS the kind of ‘love’ you are talking about? In your opinion, this gay partners ‘love’ for each other exceeded those ‘unfair’ and ‘harsh moral’ standards that I point out from scripture, right? Again you said: “should we trample on those who love?” Sex does not equal love. There are HIV infected women who have sex with men who do not have HIV. There are HIV infected men who have sex with women. It almost sounds like you believe the only way people get AIDS is through homosexual sex when the truth is this is only one of many ways people get infected. I will say it again, you and Jonathon Edwards have a lot in common. All wicked men's pains and contrivande which they use to escape hell, while they continue to reject Christ, and so remain wicked men, do not secure them from hell one moment.
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Post by ddowdy on Oct 17, 2008 15:19:59 GMT -5
Scott the Moderator quoted me:
I believe we are fortunate because our Father wants us to succeed and He gives extra credit for effort.
Then he wrote:
I guess I missed the part about extra credit.
My bible states pretty clearly that our effort means nothing if we are living under the grace of God.
I am happy Scott to provide you with the help you need to understand what I wrote in my earlier post. I am not endorsing legalism over grace with those words. Not by a longshot. Nonetheless, I believe it would be hard to deny that the scriptures do provide us with certain guidelines and, in fact, what is essentially a blueprint for conducting our lives in a manner that pleases God.
I also believe that our efforts to please God although imperfect (and my efforts are most certainly far from perfection), can still be recognized, appreciated, even assisted and rewarded by Him.
There hath no temptation taken you but such is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. I Cor. 10:13 (KJV)
To me this means that God is not a neutral observer with respect to our daily struggles. He is on our side and yes (as I intimated in my earlier post), willing to take that side and help us provided we are putting forth some effort. My reference then and now was to our daily struggles with everyday life and the confrontations we may have with respect to our conduct. It was most assuredly not an attempt to challenge in any way the bedrock principle of salvation through grace.
To what extent can one expect to be rewarded for living a life that is largely successful in adhering to scriptural tenets and guidelines? What about for a consistent and legitimate effort to do so? To be honest, I don't know. Clearly our acceptance of Jesus Christ is the key to our salvation. Still, just as I found it beneficial and rewarding to please my earthly Father during my childhood, I am inclined to believe the same to be true with regard to my heavenly Father during this lifetime.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Oct 18, 2008 13:52:55 GMT -5
Arian Gabe,
Is this your name's origin? "Arius posed the question, "Is Jesus unbegotten?" In other words, he taught that God the Father and the Son did not exist together eternally. Further, Arius taught that the pre-incarnate Jesus was a divine being created by (and possibly inferior to) the Father at some point, before which the Son did not exist. In English-language works, it is sometimes said that Arians believe that Jesus is or was a "creature"; in this context, the word is being used in its original sense of "created being." That doctrine that Arius wrote was based on Scriptures such as John 14:28 where Jesus says that the father is "greater than I" to John 17:20-26 where Jesus asks that the Apostles become "one as we are one" so that all of them including Jesus and God become one, thus demonstrating that the oneness refers to thought and will, and not a physical Trinity, or so Arius believed." (Wikipedia)
Or did you misspell it meaning Aryan?
I will not bother quoting everything you wrote; you know what you said. It is obvious you have a very shallow understanding of love versus sex. Whether I am in or out or never was makes no difference. For you to assume my beliefs without reading what I have written in other threads is ignorant. Your view of homosexuality is limited. It is okay to research. True informed research should be done with the thinking that every coin has three sides - this side, that side, and the unbiased side. In your case, you seem to have done limited research on the topic from the viewpoint that homosexuality is an abomination in your god's eyes. And there is this information that you have retrieved from somewhere about two men meeting to have sex. So you are evidently not looking at relationships in general. You look at your understanding of your god's viewpoint and the sexual side. There is more to it than that. There is more to relationships than your limited view. You obviously did not read what I wrote or you would have made a different statement. But then again, your opinions are biased. That is your problem.
If you choose to base all of your opinions on the bible, that is your right. But do not expect others to revere your word as final or even that of your chosen reading material. In any topic in the bible, there are hundreds or thousands of interpretations or understandings. What you interpret to be right and final may not be the understanding of another. What convicts you may not convict another.
Maybe your convictions are based on your closeted homosexuality. Do you know that when a person stifles and tromps down certain feelings, those feelings can reveal their heads ten fold? When you are sixty years old, you may be the most fabulous queen in the town. Prepare yourself. Who knows, you may be leading gay marches in fifteen years. Then again, you may wake up tomorrow and kill the first person you see whom you believe to be gay.
You seem uptight. Relax. It is okay. Not every limp-wristed guy is gay. You might be surprised to find out how many are not limp-wristed. You might quit your job when you find out how many men around you are gay. But hey, you might feel more at home, too.
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Post by degem on Oct 18, 2008 15:32:43 GMT -5
All I could think of after reading over your posts, ariandgabe, is the parable about the Pharisee and the publican in Luke 18 v 9-14. Verse 9: "And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others. My impression of the Pharisee -no humility, self-righteous, proud, a man so completely wrapped up in himself. An "I " person, selfish and judgemental in his prayers to God.
I disagree 150% with the statement "you will realize on Judgement Day that I was the "only one " that truly loved you here."Who do you think you are to make that kind of statement? That you know how to love others better than the rest of us? NO YOU DON"T>
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Post by mrleo on Oct 18, 2008 20:46:43 GMT -5
If you were truly content to let God's Word do the work, you would find yourself with very little to say. If this were the Preach At Me Because I've Never Heard of This 'Bible' You Speak Of" board, your attitude would make more sense to me...but you're talking to people here who have read the Bible all their lives - cover to cover. They know what it says.
I encourage you to take responsibility for what you say and how it affects others instead of throwing your stones and then hiding behind God.
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Post by MsMarie on Oct 19, 2008 9:33:59 GMT -5
How could anyone consider themselves sinless? It is the human condition from day to day and hour to hour, mostly in thoughts, often in words and sometimes in deeds too. There is no way we could ever be sinless in this life on earth, no not even if we spent half our lives on our knees. The elect and saved are no less sinful than anyone else and certainly not 'better' than others. How could they feel superior, knowing that they have done nothing to deserve salvation? But they do know where to present themselves in humility and repentance and where to obtain mercy, cleansing and forgiveness so that they can stand as righteous, or as the Bible says, justified.
It is all very simple really, cast off your own self righteousness, acknowledge your sinful condition and head for the only place of safety which is Jesus, repent and accept the garment of His sinless righteousness. He has paid the price for your garment and now places this on you so that wearing it, you can be accepted by his Father. You will often stain this garment with sin, but if you wear it, you are assured of forgiveness, cleansing, acceptance and the promise that He will never lose you.
The person who thinks himself sinless? Well we know the story of the two men who went up to pray and that is a good insight into the attitude God wants of us.
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Post by rational on Oct 20, 2008 0:31:36 GMT -5
How could anyone consider themselves sinless? It is the human condition from day to day and hour to hour, mostly in thoughts, often in words and sometimes in deeds too. There is no way we could ever be sinless in this life on earth, no not even if we spent half our lives on our knees. sin - Deliberate disobedience to the known will of God. With this definition people can indeed be sinless.
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Post by MsMarie on Oct 20, 2008 2:36:28 GMT -5
Not so, this is your definition of sin. How would we have any need of Jesus if we could be sinless as He was? It is because He knew we could and can do nothing to save ourselves that He came and took the punishment for sin. We can be made clean but always need to present ourselves for cleansing from the ongoing sin which He has already made provision for.
Many will say that a newborn baby is born with the sin of Adam - hardly deliberate disobedience. Many give in to temptation and fail - deliberate disobedience or weakness? The weak are not necessarily lacking in faith, but need the cleansing and forgiveness and to be strengthened, probably lifelong.
The meaning of 'sin' in old English incidentally, derives from the archery term which was called out when an archer missed the target. Also, many of course, have trouble interpreting what is the 'known' will of God - again perhaps not deliberate disobedience but ignorance. There is a lot of grey rather than black and white.
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Post by rational on Oct 20, 2008 7:37:39 GMT -5
Not so, this is your definition of sin. No, I used a dictionary. If you have a different source, why not share? From the Old English: O.E. synn "moral wrongdoing, offense against God, misdeed
That is an excellent question and there are many people in the world who would say there is no need of Jesus. In fact the majority of people in the world believe that. Stepping back you will see that it is your belief that is represented and not an absolute fact. It is because in has been the christian tradition/belief that man required an intercessor in order to move into eternal paradise and was recorded, by the christian church, in what was then considered to be sacred documents, as the requirement. It is that old circular reasoning that says "this is what god wants and we know that is true because we read it in the the bible and we know the bible is true because in the bible god says it is true." Of course. Because if this is not the case then there is the possibility that someone could grow up without sinning. And what would the church do then? It doesn't matter. As long as there is the possibility of not making it to eternal life the church maintains its power over people. Of course. Religion is a life long commitment. And the doctrine that says man will always be sinful and can not gain salvation without help maintains a captive audience. The workers preach with examples of people who left a meeting and didn't profess and were killed on the way home so are hell bound. The early church painted lurid pictures of what would happen to people in hell. And even today there is that threat of eternal damnation if you do not conform to the rules. The RCC wants to baptize children as soon as they are born and then keep them in a state of fear as long as they are warm. A secular organization set up with these draconian rules would not attract a single member! So the instruction as to what is correct and what is not is clouded by a lot of gray areas? And it is on this fuzzy interpretation that people are betting their souls. Seems iffy to me. Perhaps when you missed the target it was called a sin, i.e.,you had missed the mark. It would appear that the definition of sin was in place before its use in marking targets.
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Post by MsMarie on Oct 20, 2008 8:53:35 GMT -5
Very erudite, but I would still reiterate that not all sin is wilful or intentional or deliberate. Of course any definition is according to the interpretation of the definer, including dictionary compilers. I thought the archery thing might be interesting!
Of course, some sin is as you have said, but the intention to sin deliberately in wilful disobedience to God's will as known to that person, is not found in a true Christian believer. They love God and want to please Him, but being human, have failures.
Yes, you are probably right. God wants us to turn to Him for our help. He wants us to pray to Him and make requests. He told us never to weary in the asking. It is His way of keeping us close to Him, in our human need and gratitude for His mercies to us.
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Post by rational on Oct 20, 2008 10:06:53 GMT -5
Very erudite, but I would still reiterate that not all sin is wilful or intentional or deliberate. Of course any definition is according to the interpretation of the definer, including dictionary compilers. I thought the archery thing might be interesting! I thought it was. There is the aspect to sin of "missing the mark". The interpretation part has always been a question to me. Some things are taken as a literal expression and some are declared allegories by some but not by others. If you believe your eternal life depends on the precise and accurate interpretation how can you be sure you have picked the correct one?
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Post by ddowdy on Oct 20, 2008 14:03:18 GMT -5
eyedeetentee wrote in response to ariandgabe,
"If you choose to base all of your opinions on the bible, that is your right. But do not expect others to revere your word as final or even that of your chosen reading material. In any topic in the bible, there are hundreds or thousands of interpretations or understandings. What you interpret to be right and final may not be the understanding of another. What convicts you may not convict another.
Maybe your convictions are based on your closeted homosexuality. Do you know that when a person stifles and tromps down certain feelings, those feelings can reveal their heads ten fold? When you are sixty years old, you may be the most fabulous queen in the town. Prepare yourself. Who knows, you may be leading gay marches in fifteen years. Then again, you may wake up tomorrow and kill the first person you see whom you believe to be gay.
You seem uptight. Relax. It is okay. Not every limp-wristed guy is gay. You might be surprised to find out how many are not limp-wristed. You might quit your job when you find out how many men around you are gay. But hey, you might feel more at home, too.
The man eyedeetentee is addressing, Odon (ariandgabe) did nothing more than to voice his convictions and provide evidence of the biblical support for those convictions. He didn't get involved in this discourse to insult or injure anyone. To retort by trying to imply that he might himself be a closeted homosexual is not only ludicrous and completely irrational since the allegation has no factual basis, it is also an illumination of the rather pathetic character of the accuser.
As far as Odon's quoting of scriptures to show how he arrived at his position in the debate as well as, to justify that position, it is most certainly your right to repudiate those scriptures. However you try to make the case that they are open to interpretation. In fact, what the bible has to say about homosexuality is in no way ambiguous or, "open to interpretation".
Who cares what portion of homosexuals are "limp wristed"? Or, how many of Odon's co-workers may be homosexual in their sexual orientation? The insertion of these sly insinuations do you no credit and, despite their intent, they cast no aspersion upon the good character of a good man.
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Post by MsMarie on Oct 21, 2008 1:20:05 GMT -5
Very erudite, but I would still reiterate that not all sin is wilful or intentional or deliberate. Of course any definition is according to the interpretation of the definer, including dictionary compilers. I thought the archery thing might be interesting! If you believe your eternal life depends on the precise and accurate interpretation how can you be sure you have picked the correct one? Do you know something - I think we all know perfectly well what sin is and we could bandy back and forth interpretations which would not be helpful to either of us. The Bible says that the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin, ie it is He who opens our eyes to what condition we are in in God's sight, ie awareness which we did not formerly have. I do believe my eternal life depends on believing that Jesus was who He said He was and therefore every word he spoke is vital to us. He gave us many pictures of the condition of sin and what was pleasing to His father and also displeasing. The Gospel is preached to bring people to that awareness from the former ignorance of their condition.
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Post by rational on Oct 21, 2008 10:37:13 GMT -5
Do you know something - I think we all know perfectly well what sin is and we could bandy back and forth interpretations which would not be helpful to either of us. The fact that there are many opinions as to what one may and may not do regarding sin would refute the idea that everyone knows what sin is. Unless there are different rules for everyone. And that brings us back to how you can know if the translation/copy/version of the bible you have is the correct one.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Oct 21, 2008 13:43:47 GMT -5
I knew someone would prove my point. Thanks, ddowdy.
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Post by ddowdy on Oct 21, 2008 14:56:03 GMT -5
eyedeetentee wrote,
"Thanks ddowdy."
You are most welcome. I am happy to set you "straight".
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Post by MsMarie on Oct 21, 2008 23:37:14 GMT -5
I trust that God is able to get his message across correctly and in the way He intended it to be recorded. Not a big task for a sovereign God! However, it is easy to find passages not to ones liking and to put this down to some sort of misinterpretation. Cop out I think.
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Post by rational on Oct 22, 2008 1:47:11 GMT -5
I trust that God is able to get his message across correctly and in the way He intended it to be recorded. Not a big task for a sovereign God! However, it is easy to find passages not to ones liking and to put this down to some sort of misinterpretation. Cop out I think. Yeah - like looking at the things you agree with as literal and those that you do not agree with as allegories. Or saying that some things that you don't agree with are no longer in play. I mean, I like cloth of mixed materials so I think that is not what god meant. And forget about stoning disobedient children. We do not have to follow that. It is really a pick and choose.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Oct 22, 2008 10:44:50 GMT -5
Jesus sits at the right hand of god, but he is god. Jesus is the lamb, but he is human, but he is god. Don't eat sheep because you might be eating jesus or god or both. Jesus washed feet but we do not have to do that anymore. But we have to love everyone and help Samaritans. We can turn over money-changers' tables because Jesus did.
Paul said this, that, and the other thing, but Paul is not Jesus so we do not have to adhere to his word. But his word is inspired of god. But Paul is just another person. But Paul was sent by god. But we do not have to do everything Paul said because he is not god, or is he?
People spoke in tongues. Tongues are common languages. No, tongues are languages of the spirit. Only people moved by the spirit can speak in tongues. So all the people in the world all speak the same language except for those who are moved by the spirit to talk in anything other than Hebrew. I speak in the English tongue.
If you walk through the desert, be sure to carry a big stick like Moses. Otherwise, you are disobeying god. Walk tall, carry a big stick, and don't walk on thin ice unless you can walk on water, which you should be able to do if you are following Jesus.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Oct 23, 2008 20:56:23 GMT -5
Thank the Lord and you Pianoman, for answering once more with the intent of correction and admonishment. First of all, I listen carefully to everything anyone tells me especially when it comes to the Bible. So, it comes down to which one of us is interpreting the Bible the right way. And how are we to know this? It is by “what we are mindful of”. I can find only one other man that Jesus himself chose as a ‘super’ Apostle; it is Paul. If you can find anywhere where you believe my interpretation of this is wrong, please by all means show it to me. Odon And a kind christian-like response from Daniel to Pianoman: Mr. ddowdy. Let me keep this real simple and see if you can follow it that way. Number 1: You and your friend can't seem to understand that I am not judging you. Number 2: You and your friend take anything that is mentioned, and twist it around to have it appear that it is a judgement against you. Number 3: You and your friend really need to READ the things that I have written to see that the only things that are judgments are labled so, by me, and that simply refers to the text that has been twisted around by you and your friend to have my coments appear as something other than what they are. Number 4: If you and your friend will do this with simple comments that are not aimed at anyone, how much weight should be given to anything else that you write? Number 5: I know what projection is in psycology, and that is so appropiate for you to bring that up as that is what you and your friend are doing with any comments in general that aren't aimed at anyone in general, so you project them in a fashion that makes them look like an attack. Quote from your post refering to me: It was not to damage, expose or frighten you. I did not intend to belittle, berate or aggravate you. I singled you out and perhaps you feel that I criticized you...if that is the case...if your feelings are hurt and you believe me responsible for in some manner having done you injury with my words...I can only sit here with a huge smile on my face and shake my head in my disbelief of your ability to believe that I would take anything that you say to me as any of the descriptive words you use, like frighten, expose, damage. You do not have the power to do any of this to me and I pray you don't really believe that you have the power to do that to anyone else, but then again, unlike you and your friend, I actually read your posts and am amazed at what I read! Ah my poor confused mr. pianoman have no fear, keep your smile I won't engage in a battle of wit with you. You see sir, I refuse to take advantage of an unarmed opponent. It would be nice if you could let it go but clearly you can't. Your post still made no sense, was still befuddled and confused but at least it was somewhat better organized so you are improving a little. If it were possible my friend I would throw you some IQ maybe 20-25 points worth...perhaps boost you up to average. I have plenty to spare and you are clearly in need. Alas it doesn't work that way. Keep trying though my challenged friend with all the room you have for improvement you can't help but to make some sort of progress. On the bright side you claim to know all about projection and, I will admit you seem to employ it almost constantly. For today's lesson I will teach you about psychology let us start with how to spell it...p..s..y..c..h..o..l..o..g..y. Grab yourself a copy of the DSM III or IV and look up members of religous cults for some personal insight. I will know what is required for your next lesson after your next post. Keep that huge smile on your face but try not to drool too much.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Oct 23, 2008 22:09:40 GMT -5
"FOR ODEN, DDOWDEY, AND ARIGABE. Thanks again for judging me so well (so what if the bible tells us not to judge) and next time God speaks to you, could you put me on three-way with you? I promise not to say a word, but only listen, since you both have deemed me as unworthy of the knowledge you posess that you have received from God directly and only you have that knowledge. I don't know who you are, and would like to keep it that way, I am sorry to say. You can understand God's speaking to you, but a humble, simple man like myself, you seem to miss the simple points. If the blind lead the blind...................?" Like most in your cult you begin your argument with a fallacy, base it upon more fallacies and then reach an illogical conclusion. Neither my friend nor myself have ever judged you piano. Neither of us have claimed to be speaking directly with God. Those are your lies which you have perpetuated. Showing yourself to be not only a liar but a pathetic old fool who has nothing better to do than try to antagonize others. Leave it alone. I am not going to continue a dialogue with you and, I suspect neither will my friend. You simply are not worth it. Just a lonely old man with nothing to show for his wasted life. Sad? Yes. Unfortunate? Unfortunately. Sick? Too much so for me to fix. Redeemable? That is not up to me. That is it for me...even though I know piano that you will be back on here with more of your lies and circular logic or, should I say illogic? Like a zoo monkey you can't help it...willing even to debase yourself for something that passes as social contact in your small small world. Adios. These quotes remind me of someone. I am sure Gic is glad to find out he is not alone in the universe. I wonder if the Keepers of the Quotes are busy.
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Post by ddowdy on Oct 26, 2008 1:13:37 GMT -5
When all else fails...just regurgitate what others have written huh? Very sound eyedeetentee, at the very least you will upgrade the quality of your posts that way.
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Post by ariandgabe on Oct 26, 2008 13:29:24 GMT -5
Mrleo Quote: I do not ‘condemn’, I let Gods Word do that...
If you were truly content to let God's Word do the work, you would find yourself with very little to say.
If I’m to be quiet; “40 But He answered and said to them, "I tell you that if these should keep silent, the stones would immediately cry out."” Luke 19:40 NKJV
And this suggestion of yours is backed up by what scripture verses? (You are an echo of the Workers who preached to me about being silent and submissive and humble, and just listen to ‘them’ because, as in the words of June Douglas: “What you say is NOT important, what is important is what “we” say, for we have given up everything to follow the Lord and we go out to preach the good news. Now THAT is important Odon. What you say is just gibberish nonsense. You must continue to come to the meetings and ‘learn to listen’ as humbly as a little child.”)
So let me quote to you Gods Word and I WILL be content with that:
Mark 16:15 15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
Luke 4:18 18 "The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor …
Acts 10:42 And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead.
Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath."
Acts 16:10 Now after he had seen the vision, immediately we sought to go to Macedonia, concluding that the Lord had called us to preach the gospel to them.
Matt 11:1 Now it came to pass, when Jesus finished commanding His twelve disciples, that He departed from there to teach and to preach in their cities.
Mark 1:38-39 38 But He said to them, "Let us go into the next towns, that I may preach there also, because for this purpose I have come forth." 39 And He was preaching in their synagogues throughout all Galilee, and casting out demons.
Mark 3:20 Then the multitude came together again, so that they could not so much as eat bread.
And a few hundred other verses that gives us the courage and commanding us to: “Go out and PREACH” and this Board is as good a place as any. There are many good and faithful people here who need to be encouraged to STAND UP to Gods Word and not let evil rule this country of ours. Join me Mrleo!
Matt 10:32-33 "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven. NKJV
I believe that you made a mistake, the only place I found in scripture commanding silence is addressed to the 2X2 Women Workers: 1 Cor 14:34 “Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.”
MrLeo wrote: If this were the Preach At Me Because I've Never Heard of This 'Bible' You Speak Of" board, your attitude would make more sense to me...but you're talking to people here who have read the Bible all their lives - cover to cover. They know what it says.
Mr. Rational knows the Bible cover to cover, Gene Nelson does too, so does Dietcoke, but do you really believe that “They know what it says”?
MrLeo wrote: I encourage you to take responsibility for what you say and how it affects others instead of throwing your stones and then hiding behind God.
As you, who felt the responsibility to tell me to be silent, have you considered how it might affect me? Throwing stones? Stones are meant to harm and kill, as your and many others here on this board are using your words to do, as I pointed that out in almost every post.
To continuously post negative thoughts and feelings regarding the credibility of the Holy Bible, as these above mentioned are doing, are they not throwing stones?
To say that Jesus was NOT the Son of God but that He was God himself making ‘Mary the MOTHER of GOD’, (teaching this non-scriptural ‘trinity’ doctrine) are they not throwing stones?
To say that it was just a bunch of Jews with their prejudices and fallacies, who wrote the Bible and NOT the influence of the Holy Spirit, are they not throwing stones?
To say that homosexuality is an acceptable sin that is very different from other sins which God has not really considered fairly, are they not throwing stones?
And you want me to be SILENT?
Matt 10:38-39 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it. NKJV
In Jesus name, Amen.
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Post by mrleo on Oct 27, 2008 10:23:07 GMT -5
If you could provide a quote in which I said I wanted you to be silent, or in which I mentioned silence at all, I would be happy to reconsider my words.
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Post by outsidein on Oct 27, 2008 17:19:41 GMT -5
Mrleo Quote: I do not ‘condemn’, I let Gods Word do that...If you were truly content to let God's Word do the work, you would find yourself with very little to say.If I’m to be quiet; “40 But He answered and said to them, "I tell you that if these should keep silent, the stones would immediately cry out."” Luke 19:40 NKJVAnd this suggestion of yours is backed up by what scripture verses? (You are an echo of the Workers who preached to me about being silent and submissive and humble, and just listen to ‘them’ because, as in the words of June Douglas: “What you say is NOT important, what is important is what “we” say, for we have given up everything to follow the Lord and we go out to preach the good news. Now THAT is important Odon. What you say is just gibberish nonsense. You must continue to come to the meetings and ‘learn to listen’ as humbly as a little child.”)So let me quote to you Gods Word and I WILL be content with that:Mark 16:15 15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
Luke 4:18 18 "The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor …
Acts 10:42 And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead.
Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath."
Acts 16:10 Now after he had seen the vision, immediately we sought to go to Macedonia, concluding that the Lord had called us to preach the gospel to them.
Matt 11:1 Now it came to pass, when Jesus finished commanding His twelve disciples, that He departed from there to teach and to preach in their cities.
Mark 1:38-39 38 But He said to them, "Let us go into the next towns, that I may preach there also, because for this purpose I have come forth." 39 And He was preaching in their synagogues throughout all Galilee, and casting out demons.
Mark 3:20 Then the multitude came together again, so that they could not so much as eat bread.And a few hundred other verses that gives us the courage and commanding us to: “Go out and PREACH” and this Board is as good a place as any. There are many good and faithful people here who need to be encouraged to STAND UP to Gods Word and not let evil rule this country of ours. Join me Mrleo!Matt 10:32-33 "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven. NKJVI believe that you made a mistake, the only place I found in scripture commanding silence is addressed to the 2X2 Women Workers: 1 Cor 14:34 “Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.”MrLeo wrote: If this were the Preach At Me Because I've Never Heard of This 'Bible' You Speak Of" board, your attitude would make more sense to me...but you're talking to people here who have read the Bible all their lives - cover to cover. They know what it says. Mr. Rational knows the Bible cover to cover, Gene Nelson does too, so does Dietcoke, but do you really believe that “They know what it says”? MrLeo wrote: I encourage you to take responsibility for what you say and how it affects others instead of throwing your stones and then hiding behind God.As you, who felt the responsibility to tell me to be silent, have you considered how it might affect me? Throwing stones? Stones are meant to harm and kill, as your and many others here on this board are using your words to do, as I pointed that out in almost every post. To continuously post negative thoughts and feelings regarding the credibility of the Holy Bible, as these above mentioned are doing, are they not throwing stones?To say that Jesus was NOT the Son of God but that He was God himself making ‘Mary the MOTHER of GOD’, (teaching this non-scriptural ‘trinity’ doctrine) are they not throwing stones? To say that it was just a bunch of Jews with their prejudices and fallacies, who wrote the Bible and NOT the influence of the Holy Spirit, are they not throwing stones?To say that homosexuality is an acceptable sin that is very different from other sins which God has not really considered fairly, are they not throwing stones? And you want me to be SILENT?Matt 10:38-39 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it. NKJVIn Jesus name, Amen. Do you get this worked up about gossip, or your own sin? I am not condoning homosexuality, but how is that "brokenness" any different than the more "acceptable" (to people) sins that we all commit? If the definition of sin (hamartema) is "missing the mark", and if Jesus counseled that those without sin should cast the stone, and if Paul said that judgment begins within the church (the body of Christ), then how can you justify your particular crusade? Where is the redemption in your "message"?
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Post by eyedeetentee on Oct 28, 2008 13:05:16 GMT -5
When all else fails...just regurgitate what others have written huh? Very sound eyedeetentee, at the very least you will upgrade the quality of your posts that way. You are obviously irritated and cannot think logically. The reason I brought those quotes over from another thread was so people who have not read that thread can see how warm and kind you two are toward others. That point has been proved since I posted those quotes. Your kind-hearted, christ-like spirit shows forth. I remember a story about Jesus riding an ass but I do not remember a story about him being an ass.
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