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Post by AnneL on May 8, 2008 22:14:54 GMT -5
Some accusations against exes on these boards is that they want to damage the 2x2 so called system.
Ths is not so in most cases.
It would be interesting to know genuine reasons why people who have left the way have strong feelings, and what they are.
If you are an exe what would you wish for the 2x2 way?
What changes would you like to see?
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Post by aileen on May 9, 2008 1:46:26 GMT -5
"Some accusations against exes on these boards is that they want to damage the 2x2 so called system.
This is not so in most cases."
I wonder what evidence you have of the itallicised part?
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Post by calleduntoliberty on May 9, 2008 2:46:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I wonder too.
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Post by I speak for myself on May 9, 2008 6:21:08 GMT -5
To answer both aileen and Called Unto Liberty, I as an ex, have no desire to damage the 2X2 system. I am sure there are others. AnneL, I'm still working out many of my issues with the 2x2s and I am not certain what I wish for the fellowship. I do know that I feel strongly that the workers ought to involve the elders in the church in decision-making and exploration of doctinal positions, not least because many elders are more grounded and have a greater understanding of the pressures and demands of modern life. Although workers say they are accountable to God, many deranged cult leaders said and say the same thing and to challenge that position means "the devil is working in you" but it is important that there are some checks and balances for the workers and to have some wise and trusted elders give support and sometimes guidance, it can be no bad thing. And another thing - a little more feeding and a little less beating of the sheep. If one of the flock is sickening or lame, a shepherd doesn't beat it and throw it to the wolves. The workers make no effort to follow those that leave the fellowship, adopting the position that "they know where we are when they are ready to submit again". I'm not sure that it the message Jesus intended when he likened the apostles to shepherds.
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Post by What we are on May 10, 2008 2:23:31 GMT -5
As far as I am concerned it is not a matter of damage, it is an issue of being above board, open, clear and true, as against hidden lies and deceit.
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Post by AnneL on May 17, 2008 18:27:00 GMT -5
"Some accusations against exes on these boards is that they want to damage the 2x2 so called system. This is not so in most cases." I wonder what evidence you have of the itallicised part? The evidence is on the boards most on the main board. Read for yourself. Exes want truth and above board honesty, as we read in many posts. Some want to share experiences because after the pain they know how others newly exed feel. Others are angry at the deception past and present. I personally am disgusted how Aileen represents a double standard in claiming to profess and yet claiming to do as whe wishes re all the things that have been unheld as rules for generations.
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Post by Relate relate on May 17, 2008 18:38:00 GMT -5
To answer both aileen and Called Unto Liberty, I as an ex, have no desire to damage the 2X2 system. I am sure there are others. AnneL, I'm still working out many of my issues with the 2x2s and I am not certain what I wish for the fellowship. I do know that I feel strongly that the workers ought to involve the elders in the church in decision-making and exploration of doctinal positions, not least because many elders are more grounded and have a greater understanding of the pressures and demands of modern life. Although workers say they are accountable to God, many deranged cult leaders said and say the same thing and to challenge that position means "the devil is working in you" but it is important that there are some checks and balances for the workers and to have some wise and trusted elders give support and sometimes guidance, it can be no bad thing. And another thing - a little more feeding and a little less beating of the sheep. If one of the flock is sickening or lame, a shepherd doesn't beat it and throw it to the wolves. The workers make no effort to follow those that leave the fellowship, adopting the position that "they know where we are when they are ready to submit again". I'm not sure that it the message Jesus intended when he likened the apostles to shepherds. I can relate to what you say about shepherds. There are careless shepherds and cruel shepherds that is why Jesus was called the Good Shepherd in contrast. There is a trend in 2x2 to be most cruel to anyone who is on the edge and wondering about the next step. Instead of rescue they treat the person like a lepper. Avoid at all cost. When I stopped going to meeting I was shocked by a young friend's reaction to me when we met by chance in town. Cold disdain and no conversation. It hurt at the time but was an eye opener as I thought then that I was the baddie for not being able to cope with the life. Looking back, if he had cared it would not have cost him anything to smile and speak. Who are the christians in the world today? Often the ones with most christian attitudes are not of any particular faith. IMO I think if we are sincere whatever we do God understands. He sees all sides. If any wll be fair, He will judge fairly. Take courage. Trust Him.
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Post by AnneL on May 17, 2008 18:40:22 GMT -5
As far as I am concerned it is not a matter of damage, it is an issue of being above board, open, clear and true, as against hidden lies and deceit. Right On!
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Post by calleduntoliberty on May 17, 2008 20:26:33 GMT -5
Who are the christians in the world today? Often the ones with most christian attitudes are not of any particular faith. IMO It's important to remember that Christianity is not an attitude, is not works, and is not how we treat others. Faith without works is dead, but works without faith was never alive. Yet it is very disturbing when Christians behave in ways which is not in tune with serving Christ (how much better was your attitude toward him, by the way?). But constant perfection in works is not required. Faith is. We are all imperfect. I hope that you will forgive just as you would have this person forgive you (even if you did no wrong to him).
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Post by aileen on May 18, 2008 6:50:27 GMT -5
"I personally am disgusted how Aileen represents a double standard in claiming to profess and yet claiming to do as whe wishes re all the things that have been unheld as rules for generations. "
Why are you disgusted? Where's the double standard? I do profess, yes, and I do put my views and my experience. Do you deny me my excperiences? Is it perhaps that they do not fit with your own? Well, I never claimed to be typical, only that to what some call rules, there are obvious exceptions, which tends to suggest that rules are not as rigid as some might have us believe.
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Post by gill on May 18, 2008 12:26:36 GMT -5
"I personally am disgusted how Aileen represents a double standard in claiming to profess and yet claiming to do as whe wishes re all the things that have been unheld as rules for generations. " Why are you disgusted? Where's the double standard? I do profess, yes, and I do put my views and my experience. Do you deny me my excperiences? Is it perhaps that they do not fit with your own? Well, I never claimed to be typical, only that to what some call rules, there are obvious exceptions, which tends to suggest that rules are not as rigid as some might have us believe. I finally understand. If Aileen is as difficult to reason with, and unable to comprehend conversation as she appears to be unable to comprehend posts, then I expect the workers find it easier to look the other way. Sometimes people are not worth the puff and perhaps they live in hope that some of their teachings will touch her consciousness before she steps off this mortal coil.
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