Post by ex-teenager on Apr 27, 2008 9:24:27 GMT -5
Personally I think it just another attempt at finding something wrong. I have known of them in the past when T.G was in our home. Since then we presume it happers, but never has he rang to tell us or send us a letter. Why would he? It doesn't bother us in the slightest if a worker decides to meet up with those in other countries.
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Post by Typical defence on Apr 29, 2008 11:58:24 GMT -5
This is typical. Who is implying that there is anything wrong with workers gathering? This is the usual 2x2 persecution complex surfacing again. The thread asks what is the Grand Council ofOverseers because it is well known that the workers are supposed to follow a humble saviour who did not give himself fame or name and who promised his followers to send them the Comforter the Holy Spirit to guide them in faith. That is why a great meeting with a grand label is so incongruous with the way of Jesus.
Why do you always try to attribute a wrong intent to posters who are trying to make the way stand up and relate to Christ's way instead of deviating according to the pompous ways of the world???
Post by ram unplugged on Apr 30, 2008 16:53:34 GMT -5
The Antonine Wall, Aileen, which stretched between Falkirk on the Firth of Forth and the River Clyde on the west coast. The Romans had a major Fort at Cramond (Edinburgh). They still made incursions further north but the Picts had hairier legs under their kilts along with no underpants, which put the fear of death into Antonius's legions.
Post by here we go again on May 6, 2008 11:33:19 GMT -5
here we go again with CAULT being either incredibly lacking or deliberately misunderstanding the posts.
Can you read CULT?
The question is what is the Grand Council?
The amazement is that there is one when workers claim to be guided by God. Why would they need anything more than a meeting. Prayer and Fasting maybe, bit travelling to other countries to meet up with överseers"is hardly going to improve their image of poor and lowly, humble servants following scripture, now is it?
Edgar, I feel so sorry for you. I can't believe you used to be in the work. There are people that make terrible mistakes in every walk of life, why would you want to point out every mistake a worker has made and try to make everyone in the truth sound horrible. The "Grand Council" as you call it.....what a joke! You know the head workers from all the fields meet every year to see where and what the needs are for the next year and to send the workers out where they think is best. How could you make it sound like it is something evil?? You are so lost and broken. We never claimed to be perfect or never make mistakes, why don't you just give it a rest!
I do understand Edgar very well and it needs to look behind the scene and then walk with open eyes and sense and then it is possible to understand some coherences. In order to think so it needs also to set the standard away from workers and friends neutrally to Jesus.
The amazement is that there is one when workers claim to be guided by God. Why would they need anything more than a meeting.
Anything MORE than a meeting? What we're talking about here IS a meeting.
Prayer and Fasting maybe, bit travelling to other countries to meet up with överseers"is hardly going to improve their image of poor and lowly, humble servants following scripture, now is it?
No reason why not.
There is every reason why workers should not be ostentatiously spending large sums of money on unnecessary foreign travel. They are professed followers of Jesus, poor, homeless for the gospel's sake. True to their calling they should witness to this.
Also gadding about the world by workers,with the jet set, limits the work of the Spirit of God. Do the workers think God cannot work in the hearts and lives of local workers and friends in their own countries, that the self appointed "leader"workers impose themselves on conventions to influence the friends and workers with their views instead of respecting the work of God in each individual country and trusting in God's guidance
Post by crazywaste on May 27, 2008 11:44:23 GMT -5
With the availability of chat rooms, conference calls, Internet communications, web cams, cell phones and what ever other technology is available
WHY in the world would the humble, lowly servants of God need to travel and spend THOUSANDS of dollars, which, by the way, could be used to care for the sick, elderly, down trodden......
back to the point. Use modern technology to conduct these meetings. It is a HORRIBLE waste of resources to jet around the world to talk about who is going to what convention. (If I remember, correctly, many of these big workers came from the US and now are part of the EU scene-where are the EU workers? WHY do they let US decide the course for their area?)
There is no excuse, none, for the total waste of resources when everyone of these men has access to computer and phone.
Problem solved-there would be ZERO evidence of the gathering, no photos.
Post by No US workers on May 27, 2008 12:53:07 GMT -5
No US workers involved, it is the Brits that have taken the leading role in the past. From the British Isles the influence has spread and unfortunately their narrow minded customs and legalistic viewpoints have been exported too!!! Much protest behind the scenes by Europeans and others!
To Rhonda, We have family who are in the work. I havent heard of overseers when I attended. I never heard of a council of overseers meeting either. I do recall hubby questioning the worker who took over in our area the following year and asking if he had been informed about my hubbys exit then. The worker who happened to be the head worker at the time, told us no we had a cup of tea and that was not discussed. It didnt sound like an important meeting at all. Everything seemed so vague. Different to a local church. The leaders would meet and bring up any concerns, it would be discussed. Then we would pray together and ask God to reveal to us what to do. Sometimes the answer would come straight away. This is where I get puzzeled at how workers cope when spiritual giftings and callings are not acknowledged. With God revealing through gifted people it is so much easier to run the ship effectivley. With his blessing. I want to make this clear, I am puzzeled not making a judgement.
The grand council ... and not a woman in sight ...
even JRR did better than that.
and i still wonder why they get their photograph taken ...
From what I've heard, there are sister workers present, if not in actual meetings, then at least in close proximity, I assume doing the cooking and washing. A worker complained to us once that the sister workers who are there for the overseer meetings have more say in where he will be sent to labor than he himself does. So, some would say that women are very much present and involved, too much in fact 😃
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