Council of Overseers
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Post by Council of Overseers on Apr 17, 2008 9:10:48 GMT -5
What is this Council of Overseers and where did the name come from?
For a group called the No Name Church there are an awful lot of other names attached?
Has this council of overseers anything at all to do with the way that Jesus established? The disciples were sent out with no mention of any one, other than Jesus, who sent them.
This group now has as much organisation as any other church, as much money and even more rules.
Can it be the church of Jesus?
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Post by ooT on Apr 17, 2008 10:22:42 GMT -5
There is no "Grand Council of Overseers." That's just someone attaching a name to a group of overseers that got together at one point. I'm not saying it doesn't happen sometimes, but it isn't likely always the same group. So would that make it a "council"?
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Post by aileen on Apr 17, 2008 15:33:29 GMT -5
"...a group of overseers that got together at one point..."
Actually they get together twice a year every year. Previously in Luxembourg, now in Scandinavia ?
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Post by By Faith on Apr 17, 2008 18:16:50 GMT -5
We always thought they went "by faith " does faith require humans to organise it?
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Post by aileen on Apr 18, 2008 1:52:01 GMT -5
"We always thought they went "by faith " "
so you were wrong then. So what. Just admit it, and get on with life. Not a big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2008 6:25:14 GMT -5
One man's meat is another man's poison. What may be a big matter to one person, may be a trifling matter to another. We fall down when we judge another by our own standards.
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Post by aileen on Apr 18, 2008 12:33:02 GMT -5
"We fall down when we judge another by our own standards. "
whats standards do you suggest? I think it perfectly valid to judge others, and to apply standards.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2008 13:51:53 GMT -5
Aileen, at times we all fail to appreciate the experiences, perceptions, standards and emotional make-up of others. Often we do this when we feel secure in our own mindset and anticipate or expect others to feel identical to us in issues under review.
Judge but use wise judgement, not that which is right in our own eyes.
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Post by Faithmmm on Apr 18, 2008 21:36:06 GMT -5
"We always thought they went "by faith " " so you were wrong then. So what. Just admit it, and get on with life. Not a big deal. The workers say that they go by faith, are you saying that it is not TRUE? What are you asking me to admit? That I was wrong to believe them? I think it is a VERY BIG deal. It seems by what you say that you think we have been deceived somewhat on this issue of believing that the workers go in faith, to be guided by God and taken care of.
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Post by John kl on Apr 18, 2008 22:24:54 GMT -5
Workers need an international body to agree on the standards because they are not prepared to let Jesus be the teacher, nor to let the Holy Spirit guide the people who have committed to follow Jesus.
Have they forgotten the place of the humble servant and have set themselves up as rulers?
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Post by Alana on Apr 18, 2008 22:27:51 GMT -5
"We fall down when we judge another by our own standards. " whats standards do you suggest? I think it perfectly valid to judge others, and to apply standards. Please turn to Matthew Chapter Seven verse one. Now let's meditate on this verse and consider......
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Post by Pamela on Apr 20, 2008 15:00:22 GMT -5
Aileen doesn't believe the Bible teachings of Jesus, nor th workers'rules.
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Post by aileen on Apr 20, 2008 15:47:22 GMT -5
Aileen doesn't believe the Bible teachings of Jesus, nor th workers'rules. I'm glad that thats a matter between me and God and no-one else.
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Post by Kiwi on Apr 21, 2008 1:03:29 GMT -5
Aileen doesn't believe the Bible teachings of Jesus, nor th workers'rules. I'm glad that thats a matter between me and God and no-one else. So is what the workers So butt out
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2008 1:13:53 GMT -5
I presume that you are refering to the policy making/enforcing group of senior workers on the different continents that usually gather approx. annually, either secretly or under some kind of a disguise (convention planning, etc. etc.) Here is a pix of the workers at the European high council meeting in Luxembourg 2005. www.anotherstep.net/Luxemborg2005.htm
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Post by aileen on Apr 21, 2008 1:53:16 GMT -5
Its not true to say that they meet secretly. Pretty much anyone knows whates going on here, and the activities too. Its actually true that some of the meeting is for planning conventions visitors. Its just cynical to say that its not.
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Post by Multitude on Apr 21, 2008 17:33:25 GMT -5
So what is going on then? What activities are they getting up to?
I looked at that photo again and marvelled that this group of men could possibly hold the key to spiritual salvation for anyone. If only people would take notice of these grey haired men with their grey suits and grey minds. Or grey cardigans even. It's not like these guys meet in secret. If only people would take the time to seek out these men in their gospel halls down long laneways hidden behind high hedges in the rural countryside on quiet sunday evenings.
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Post by Claire on Apr 22, 2008 4:04:17 GMT -5
The grand council ... and not a woman in sight ...
even JRR did better than that.
and i still wonder why they get their photograph taken ...
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Post by aileen on Apr 22, 2008 14:21:31 GMT -5
and there were no women disciples either. They missed out on half the brains in the population, or more maybe.
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Post by Ronda on Apr 24, 2008 20:46:09 GMT -5
Edgar, I feel so sorry for you. I can't believe you used to be in the work. There are people that make terrible mistakes in every walk of life, why would you want to point out every mistake a worker has made and try to make everyone in the truth sound horrible. The "Grand Council" as you call it.....what a joke! You know the head workers from all the fields meet every year to see where and what the needs are for the next year and to send the workers out where they think is best. How could you make it sound like it is something evil?? You are so lost and broken. We never claimed to be perfect or never make mistakes, why don't you just give it a rest!
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Post by Jeannette on Apr 25, 2008 9:29:55 GMT -5
and it would do you good, Ronda, to back off until you know what you are talking about. Do some sincere soul searching and read the Bible.
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Post by Why dont you on Apr 25, 2008 9:33:11 GMT -5
Aileen doesn't believe the Bible teachings of Jesus, nor th workers'rules. I'm glad that thats a matter between me and God and no-one else. So why don't you keep it between you and God and stop posting rubbish on everyone's posts. Post facts, but stop turning everything onto yourself as if you are all that the posts are about!!!!
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Post by re Ronda on Apr 25, 2008 14:19:14 GMT -5
Edgar, I feel so sorry for you. I can't believe you used to be in the work. There are people that make terrible mistakes in every walk of life, why would you want to point out every mistake a worker has made and try to make everyone in the truth sound horrible. The "Grand Council" as you call it.....what a joke! You know the head workers from all the fields meet every year to see where and what the needs are for the next year and to send the workers out where they think is best. How could you make it sound like it is something evil?? You are so lost and broken. We never claimed to be perfect or never make mistakes, why don't you just give it a rest! Where on this thread has Edgar pointed out any mistake that a worker has made? He has pointed out his opinion in answer to the thread question. He is free to do so from the stance of his first hand experience. For many years this formal meeting was kept secret from the majority of friends and followers. Therefore it has aquired a degree of mystery and "disguise" as the fate of some has been determined in such gatherings which were officially held for the purpose of determining worker movement and visits as well as general business. Talk about what you know, Ronda, that is more honest and safer. You are on shifting sand when you pretend to know what you could never conceive. What a spiteful, cruel and revealing judgement you finally make on Edgar when you describe himas "lost and broken". You show yourself up in what is becoming a familiar, unconvincing light Do you know how callous you sound? You do not feel sorry for Edgar. If you did you could not talk in such a way.
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Post by aileen on Apr 26, 2008 5:07:31 GMT -5
"For many years this formal meeting was kept secret from the majority of friends and followers."
Where's the evidence of that?
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Post by ex-teenager on Apr 26, 2008 16:30:54 GMT -5
"For many years this formal meeting was kept secret from the majority of friends and followers." Where's the evidence of that? Probably because everyone wasn't sent a letter being informed of it.
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Post by one way on Apr 26, 2008 16:44:40 GMT -5
why the need for secrecy?
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Post by elect on Apr 26, 2008 16:48:53 GMT -5
I elect aileen for delegate to the council.
she could tell them how to run the counci.
one sure way of dissbanding it
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Post by calleduntoliberty on Apr 27, 2008 2:11:16 GMT -5
Are you implying that there is somehow something wrong with some of the 'workers' gathering together? Do you think this is inconsistent with being disciples of Christ? Don't you remember that the apostles did meet together in the New Testament after Jesus left the earth? Why do some people seem to latch on to things like this and act as if they condemn the whole system? If you can prove that the 'workers' at these meetings come up with new doctrines or come up with ways to trick people or anything like that, show us. Otherwise, what is your point?
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