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Post by music lover on Mar 29, 2008 10:46:42 GMT -5
How will I stand if I am a music lover? Will I be breaking rules if I connect up my Hi Fi system?
Are there any hidden snares with this?
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Post by aileen on Mar 29, 2008 13:16:11 GMT -5
No snares that I know of, (except those in the drums).
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Post by Analise on Mar 30, 2008 8:01:25 GMT -5
I listen to music all the time. As long as it isn't too loud, Mum and Dad don't have a problem with it.
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Post by ex-teenager on Mar 31, 2008 3:29:40 GMT -5
How will I stand if I am a music lover? Will I be breaking rules if I connect up my Hi Fi system? Are there any hidden snares with this? I know that some of the younger friends have Ipods etc. I don't really agree with them, but in moderation its fine! And watch what you listen to IMO.
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Post by Yes it is on Apr 1, 2008 11:15:27 GMT -5
Of course music is acceptable. Acceptable to man and to God.
David made music. It is only a hypocritical killjoy who wants to make life miserable for others would tell you any different.
It's not as of you are going to neglect your duty, prayer, family, work etc. Music is uplifting. Should I say, most music?
Strange how workers used to ban listening devices, radio, cassette players etc. but those who were pianists would play all kinds of worldy music. A bit of hypocrisy involved, I yhink.
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Post by ex-teenager on Apr 1, 2008 13:36:11 GMT -5
Of course music is acceptable. Acceptable to man and to God. David made music. It is only a hypocritical killjoy who wants to make life miserable for others would tell you any different. It's not as of you are going to neglect your duty, prayer, family, work etc. Music is uplifting. Should I say, most music? Strange how workers used to ban listening devices, radio, cassette players etc. but those who were pianists would play all kinds of worldy music. A bit of hypocrisy involved, I yhink. Ofcourse music is uplifting..!! But not all music is good for the mind, listen to some modern day lyrics!
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Post by IPOD on Apr 2, 2008 14:41:59 GMT -5
Teenager
Why do you not agree with ipods?
I'm curious.
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Post by ex-teenager on Apr 2, 2008 16:55:26 GMT -5
Teenager Why do you not agree with ipods? I'm curious. I have seen the amount of people who use them on public transport.... they are like zombies. Music blaring filling their minds... I dont think its a good idea!
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Post by rjkee on Apr 2, 2008 17:16:26 GMT -5
Teenager,
I'm shocked. It's amazing for someone like me that has been out of the 2x2's for 20+ years to hear someone express such ridiculous views about iPods. In my 2x2 days I presume I would not have been surprised. I guess that ex-2x2s like me tend to forget about the ludicrous rules, contridictions and hyprocrisy that are inherent in the 2x2 system, and are shocked when we hear views such as those you've just expressed.
I suggest that you spend less effort on 'straining at gnats'.
All the best
Robert
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Post by ex-teenager on Apr 2, 2008 17:55:09 GMT -5
Teenager, I'm shocked. It's amazing for someone like me that has been out of the 2x2's for 20+ years to hear someone express such ridiculous views about iPods. In my 2x2 days I presume I would not have been surprised. I guess that ex-2x2s like me tend to forget about the ludicrous rules, contridictions and hyprocrisy that are inherent in the 2x2 system, and are shocked when we hear views such as those you've just expressed. I suggest that you spend less effort on 'straining at gnats'. All the best Robert Thanks for calling my views ridiculous. Then closing your comment with "all the best". Theres no need to be so harsh, I was only expressing my personal opinion... which I have never attempted to force on someone else.... One classroom assistant said to us at school about music.. garbage in... garbage out
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Post by rjkee on Apr 3, 2008 1:54:21 GMT -5
Teenager,
I stand by the points I made. I believe that most people who have never been subjected to the 2x2s brainwashing, and ex-2x2s who have managed to overcome its effects would find your views ridiculous.
When I was a kid, we were not allowed music appliances of any description (apart from piano, organ etc.). This rule was undoubtedly applied to keep the workers happy, as we'd a meeting in our home. In the early 70's, my dad installed a cassette tape recording system in the milking parlour which allowed him to record the daily yields from each cow. He transcribed the tapes into record books each evening. One of his friends gave us a music tape that he'd recorded. As kids, we listened to it over and over again - I can still remember the Acker Bilk tracks. When I eventually told dad about the Tanner abuse, (1976 & aged about 16) one of his first actions was to subscribe to Which magazine, and purchase a very good record turntable, amplifier, speakers and some records. At that point he decided that he would no longer allow the workers to impose their ridiculous man-made rules; he would live by his own conscience.
I'm still tremendously proud of his courage, and treasure the documentation that came with the turntable.
Given the above, maybe you'll better understand my viewpoint.
Regards
Robert
PS In later years, some of the more intelligent and liberal workers enjoyed listening to records in our home.
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Post by ex-teenager on Apr 3, 2008 2:18:28 GMT -5
Teenager, I stand by the points I made. I believe that most people who have never been subjected to the 2x2s brainwashing, and ex-2x2s who have managed to overcome its effects would find your views ridiculous. When I was a kid, we were not allowed music appliances of any description (apart from piano, organ etc.). This rule was undoubtedly applied to keep the workers happy, as we'd a meeting in our home. In the early 70's, my dad installed a cassette tape recording system in the milking parlour which allowed him to record the daily yields from each cow. He transcribed the tapes into record books each evening. One of his friends gave us a music tape that he'd recorded. As kids, we listened to it over and over again - I can still remember the Acker Bilk tracks. When I eventually told dad about the Tanner abuse, (1976 & aged about 16) one of his first actions was to subscribe to Which magazine, and purchase a very good record turntable, amplifier, speakers and some records. At that point he decided that he would no longer allow the workers to impose their ridiculous man-made rules; he would live by his own conscience. I'm still tremendously proud of his courage, and treasure the documentation that came with the turntable. Given the above, maybe you'll better understand my viewpoint. Regards Robert PS In later years, some of the more intelligent and liberal workers enjoyed listening to records in our home. I still don't think my post is ridiculious! In your posts you seem to have missed my point. I am NOT talking about music in general, I would be a fairly regular listener... however I am talking about IPODS, specifically... that are sometimes constantly in peoples ears. I think from a practical point of view it can be harmful, for example the break-down in family communication, on public transport and so on. Also the lyrics have something to be desired sometimes.... if you haven't heard some of todays "pop" music!
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Post by Wake up on Apr 3, 2008 9:17:06 GMT -5
A person can control what they listen to on an Ipod, Teenager. Furthrmore your statement was ridiculous. You cannot agree nor disagree with an Ipod since it is an inanimate object.
You can however record the music of your choice on an Ipod, can you not, Teenager?
Do you, by the same score disagree or agree with books? Would you not agre with some books and disagree with other books, Teenager?
Do you agree with using thought prosesses< teenager. This is a serious question.
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Post by Pamela on Apr 3, 2008 9:24:29 GMT -5
Fix up your Hi Fi equipment, music lover, and play it if you wish.
Let us know if you have any problems or criticism about it, would you please?
Just don't play it before, during nor immediately after meeting, if the meeting is in your house, as this might be pushing your luck too far!!
Happy Listening!
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Post by ex-teenager on Apr 3, 2008 12:14:44 GMT -5
A person can control what they listen to on an Ipod, Teenager. Furthrmore your statement was ridiculous. You cannot agree nor disagree with an Ipod since it is an inanimate object. You can however record the music of your choice on an Ipod, can you not, Teenager? Do you, by the same score disagree or agree with books? Would you not agre with some books and disagree with other books, Teenager? Do you agree with using thought prosesses< teenager. This is a serious question. obviously you don't get it. Don't think I should waste my time trying to explain myself, I'm allowed my own opinion thank you.
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Post by alana on Apr 4, 2008 20:35:01 GMT -5
Music is the food of love, play on........
Shakespeare new about it.
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Post by Of course on Apr 5, 2008 0:36:09 GMT -5
Of course music is alright to have, to listen to and to play. Those who taught against listening to music were concerned that listening to music would lead to listening to other programmes.
The generation of workers who forbade in an authoritarian way are slowly dying out and have been relpaced by a new generation, give and take a little indoctrination,of course.
Most workers own their mini radios and listening equipment in certain parts of the world. Other countries are fast catching on.Workers carry around language cassettes and are constantly listening. Who know what they are listening to? There is a healthier attitude among worers and friends, more trust and respect in a mutual way.
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Post by Guest 1 on Apr 5, 2008 6:25:39 GMT -5
I see what teenager is expressing Robert and I think you have misunderstood him. And I agree with him.
Music is fine tho' I must say heavy metal does nothing for me!!
What I find unhealthy is man's constant attachment to his technologies.Why, you ask? Well, I believe man in his society is at his best when he is interacting with those around him. Phones constantly glued to the ear, I-pods blocking out ones environment, silent human forms hunched over computers all prevent man from being at his best.
My remedy: switch off the phone, pocket the I-pod, get outside and strike up a conversation with the first person you meet, take a long walk in silence,listen to the birds ,the trees ......need I go on ?
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Post by Relax on Apr 5, 2008 11:36:08 GMT -5
I see what teenager is expressing Robert and I think you have misunderstood him. And I agree with him. Music is fine tho' I must say heavy metal does nothing for me!! What I find unhealthy is man's constant attachment to his technologies.Why, you ask? Well, I believe man in his society is at his best when he is interacting with those around him. Phones constantly glued to the ear, I-pods blocking out ones environment, silent human forms hunched over computers all prevent man from being at his best. My remedy: switch off the phone, pocket the I-pod, get outside and strike up a conversation with the first person you meet, take a long walk in silence,listen to the birds ,the trees ......need I go on ? Do all those things and let who will listen to their Ipod or whatever. Oh these sickening rule makers!!!!
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Post by Misunderstand misunderstood on Apr 7, 2008 20:38:02 GMT -5
Teenager is often misunderstood because s/he needs to write more precisely what s/he means. Like Aileen, the statements made are wide and loose some of the time and leads to confusion. Neither can accept criticism constructively and usually an off topic defense occurs.
Interesting though. It has been observed that this is a trait common to the group. Self criticism is a useful tool for life.
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Post by Expression on Apr 7, 2008 20:53:51 GMT -5
Music is the expression of the soul. Different people at differing stages of life are entitled, are they not? to listen to or make the music of their choice.
Imposing it on others is another issue.
I am old and I like to listen to all kinds of music, just as I like to view all kinds of art and ponder the life of the author and wonder how it all came about, what joys, what sorrows, what anguish produced the end result?
The music I like depends on my inner soul and my mood and can differ from time to time.
I wonder what will be the music in heaven? Will it be a blending of all our heartfelt feelings?
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Post by I get it on Apr 7, 2008 21:24:49 GMT -5
Teenager is often misunderstood because s/he needs to write more precisely what s/he means. I got it the first time, and I am a slow learner. Just like I'm not a fan of TV, and it has nothing to do with the 2x2s. It has to do with living your own life instead of watching someone elses. (So here I set on the computer ;D) You like watching "Friends?" Try getting some of your own. You like watching game shows (choke)? Try playing one.
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Post by I get it on Apr 7, 2008 21:27:44 GMT -5
(Sorry, off topic) Hopefully upright No, you broke the rule when it became 'your' Hi Fi Yes, becareful not to quote the words from "Highway to Hell" next Sunday morning.
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Post by Claire on Apr 8, 2008 4:30:53 GMT -5
Teenager ... it's all in the words. I suspect you pressed some buttons with that "agree with" phrase. Had you said "I don't like them" perhaps fur would not have flown.
Robert - you got AckerBilk, I got Mozart's Horn concertos - on an old reel-reel - and an early introduction to the idea that a rule for its own sake could quite often be ridiculous.
caff
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Post by IllinoisGal on Apr 8, 2008 6:08:38 GMT -5
I think I understand where Teenager is coming from. Not only do people blast ipods its even more annoying when people wont put down talking on the cell phone to pay the cashier.
Have you ever been an aisle over in a store and someone is talking so loudly on there cell we can ALL hear there conversation? Whats up with that? Do people think the party on the other end is hard of hearing?
We live in a rude society that have too many toys to play with.
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Post by ex-teenager on Apr 8, 2008 16:38:46 GMT -5
Teenager is often misunderstood because s/he needs to write more precisely what s/he means. Like Aileen, the statements made are wide and loose some of the time and leads to confusion. Neither can accept criticism constructively and usually an off topic defense occurs. Interesting though. It has been observed that this is a trait common to the group. Self criticism is a useful tool for life. I can accept critism - but like most humans not easily! However if you start "ranting" at me and mis-interpriting what I say... Im not likely to take it so well... and most human-beings wouldn't!
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Post by rjkee on Apr 9, 2008 2:46:45 GMT -5
Caff,
You're correct. It was the 'not agreeing with iPods' that pushed my buttons. If Teenager had said that he or she did not agree with antisocial behavior, including the excessive use of personal music systems, then I would have been in full agreement.
My impression is that when 2x2 workers 'do not agree' with a particular appliance (TV, HiFi, wrist watch, etc.) it's effectively banned, and punishments including excommunication result. I object to such banning and believe that the promotion of a decent set of values, and encouragement of the followers to use discretion is a much more acceptable approach (for thinking individuals).
Best regards
Robert
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Post by ex-teenager on Apr 9, 2008 7:18:33 GMT -5
Caff, You're correct. It was the 'not agreeing with iPods' that pushed my buttons. If Teenager had said that they did not agree with antisocial behavior, including the excessive use of personal music systems, then I would have been in full agreement. My impression is that when 2x2 workers 'do not agree' with a particular appliance (TV, HiFi, wrissweet thingch, etc.) it's effectively banned, and punishments including excommunication result. I object to such banning and believe that the promotion of a decent set of values, and encouragement of the followers to use discretion is a much more acceptable approach (for thinking individuals). Best regards Robert My words: "I don't really agree with them, but in moderation its fine!" No-were does that indicate an outright Rule of not being allowed one!
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