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Post by Robb Klaty on Oct 8, 2004 17:26:32 GMT -5
No, thats why I asked you for the evidence. Perhaps you don't have any evidence either.
Wait, I thought it was you that is not providing the evidence. Maybe you would rather try and change the subject just enough to redirct from the issue.
That would be nice.
Robb
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Post by American on Oct 8, 2004 18:12:54 GMT -5
Here's a start for you in a January 9, 2002, draft memorandum written by the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) concluding that "neither the War Crimes Act nor the Geneva Conventions" would apply to the detention conditions of Al Qaeda or Taliban prisoners at Guantanamo Bay Cuba. quoted from msnbc.msn.com/id/4999734/site/newsweek/more Bush, along with Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and Attorney General John Ashcroft, signed off on a secret system of detention and interrogation that opened the door to such methods. It was an approach that they adopted to sidestep the historical safeguards of the Geneva Conventions, which protect the rights of detainees and prisoners of war. from: msnbc.msn.com/id/4989422/you'll find that that was inspite of protest from Collin Powell and others. this quote is from the above artical as well But later Rumsfeld himself, impressed by the success of techniques used against Qaeda suspects at Guantanamo Bay, seemingly set in motion a process that led to their use in Iraq, even though that war was supposed to have been governed by the Geneva Conventions. Should I go on, on this point?
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Post by American on Oct 8, 2004 18:16:11 GMT -5
I'm still not sure why my personal convinction is relivant to the issue? There could be a good reason but so far you've not directly addressed that or any other point i've brought up (I know you don't have to, Obviously ).
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Post by Robb Klaty on Oct 8, 2004 23:08:05 GMT -5
Yes, because you have misrepresented the two articles listed and they don't really prove the point you were trying to make.
To quote the admission of the author of the second article:
Robb
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Post by American on Oct 9, 2004 12:32:06 GMT -5
The articles themselves were easily accessible and were linked to provided details that you said or suggested you were unaware of. There was also links in there to the memos in question.
How can you assume it will be anything good if you’re throwing out the Geneva Convention even if you don’t know the specific details?
No offense but if either he or senior officials didn’t have a good idea that it probably wasn’t pleasant or humane they are not fit for their position, it doesn’t take a genius to connect the dots.
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Post by no name on Oct 10, 2004 0:46:47 GMT -5
That says a lot of scary things about the "rest of the world", imo. Uh . . . what's wrong with Europeans?? ;D
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